Hockey blues...

Taylor Manson · Nov 22, 2002

http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter 1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400. I believe the EV setting was at -0.3 or -0.7 (either one or two clicks lower to compensate for underexposure). White balance was set to Flourescent (the tube light in the top middle). According to the little meter on the camera, I was only one click underexposed - that doesn't seem right after blowing the pics up in my computer. This photo hasn't been retouched or anything in Photoshop, so I have plenty of room to go from there. This was a Fine .jpg file too.

Any suggestions? I still have plenty of home games left to perfect this work, and I would really like to seeing as it is a new found sport for me to actually watch. Thanks a lot

_ing · Nov 22, 2002

T_Manson said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and
browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the
way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter
1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400. I believe the EV
setting was at -0.3 or -0.7 (either one or two clicks lower to
compensate for underexposure). White balance was set to Flourescent
(the tube light in the top middle). According to the little meter
on the camera, I was only one click underexposed - that doesn't
seem right after blowing the pics up in my computer. This photo
hasn't been retouched or anything in Photoshop, so I have plenty of
room to go from there. This was a Fine .jpg file too.

Any suggestions? I still have plenty of home games left to perfect
this work, and I would really like to seeing as it is a new found
sport for me to actually watch. Thanks a lot

Taylor Manson · Nov 22, 2002

I'm not very familiar with color correction and/or image "bettering" in photoshop yet. Are there any sites or tutorials online that explain some of this?

Thomas Quinn · Nov 22, 2002

I used photoshop curves and selected the white eyedropper and then clicked on the white ice. That is my 3 seconds of working with it and it come white.

I would put it up here for you to see but I can't figure this out.

Tom Quinn

T_Manson said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and
browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the
way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter
1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400. I believe the EV
setting was at -0.3 or -0.7 (either one or two clicks lower to
compensate for underexposure). White balance was set to Flourescent
(the tube light in the top middle). According to the little meter
on the camera, I was only one click underexposed - that doesn't
seem right after blowing the pics up in my computer. This photo
hasn't been retouched or anything in Photoshop, so I have plenty of
room to go from there. This was a Fine .jpg file too.

Any suggestions? I still have plenty of home games left to perfect
this work, and I would really like to seeing as it is a new found
sport for me to actually watch. Thanks a lot

Taylor Manson · Nov 22, 2002

Ok, now I see what all of you have been talking about. I've passed and passed this option before and I must have just never noticed it until I really looked around there. Just messing with this for a couple of seconds showed how dramatic of an improvement photoshop can make. Thanks for the help.

Any suggestions on better camera settings for me to start off with? Thanks.

Clark Hampton · Nov 22, 2002

You mention -0.3 or -0.7 compensation for underexposure? that would underexpose even more. Did you mean to say +0.3 or +0.7? That adjustment would have probably gotten you to the whiter whites you were looking for.

really think about using Nikon Capture to adjust RAW files rather than shoont JPEG. NC3 is powerful but a lot more simple that Photoshop. You can do a lot with NC3.

T_Manson said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and
browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the
way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter
1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400. I believe the EV
setting was at -0.3 or -0.7 (either one or two clicks lower to
compensate for underexposure). White balance was set to Flourescent
(the tube light in the top middle). According to the little meter
on the camera, I was only one click underexposed - that doesn't
seem right after blowing the pics up in my computer. This photo
hasn't been retouched or anything in Photoshop, so I have plenty of
room to go from there. This was a Fine .jpg file too.

Any suggestions? I still have plenty of home games left to perfect
this work, and I would really like to seeing as it is a new found
sport for me to actually watch. Thanks a lot

SpinThis! · Nov 22, 2002

Part of the problem is the exposure. Even though the meter read almost "perfect" expsoure, you have to diliberately overexpose. Camera meters will read snow (and in this case ice) at 18% grey which is definitely not what you want.

Like the other posters said, Photoshop can make quick work of correcting this; just don't make it a habit of sloppy photography though.

--
Dave

Ron Reznick · Nov 22, 2002

-EV adjustment will underexpose... as this shot is.

As you've discovered, levels and curves are what is needed in processing/post-processing. Best to acquire it correctly though. Check your histogram while shooting.

Ron

T_Manson said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and
browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the
way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter
1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400. I believe the EV
setting was at -0.3 or -0.7 (either one or two clicks lower to
compensate for underexposure). White balance was set to Flourescent
(the tube light in the top middle). According to the little meter
on the camera, I was only one click underexposed - that doesn't
seem right after blowing the pics up in my computer. This photo
hasn't been retouched or anything in Photoshop, so I have plenty of
room to go from there. This was a Fine .jpg file too.

Any suggestions? I still have plenty of home games left to perfect
this work, and I would really like to seeing as it is a new found
sport for me to actually watch. Thanks a lot

--
Ron Reznick
http://digital-images.net
http://trapagon.com

Derek Hood · Nov 23, 2002

T_Manson said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/7714190

How do I make those whites whiter? lol. I have been searching and
browsing through a bunch of posts, and it seems that ISO 800 is the
way to go (my first mistake). Anyway, I was using my D1 , shutter
1/250th, 70-300 lens @ 95mm, f/6.0 and ISO 400.edit...

Hockey is difficult ot shoot because of the mercury vapor lights, which oscillate their color output. Using a fast shutter speed (I believe over 1/60 sec) will cause you only to catch part of the spectrum of their output. Obviously you generally want a fast shutter to stop the action, therefor you will have to correct the white balance, I shoot NEF because of this. Capture, Bibble or MacBibble are helpful, but you may still have some trouble with peripheral lights that are out of synch (wrt main light) in their output. Color Mechanic, a PS plugin can help. I do a manual WB off of a clear area of ice).

Most youth hockey arenas are dark caverns requiring high iso, fast lenses. I would suspect that there is a fair amount of noise from the settings you give, as you are adjusting the levels in PS. I use a D1x iso 800 and my 80-200mm 2.8 AFS and frequently find myself shooting 1/250 at f2.8. Of course the depth of field is negligible.

--
Derek

Taylor Manson · Nov 23, 2002

Thanks for the help guys. I'll have to make sure to work more sample shots while intentionally over exposing to find a good medium. This should also apply to shooting snowboarding competitions as well I hope

(although outdoors during the day, I would assume the snow factor would be the same as that 18% on the ice). Thanks again.

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