sony has lost me

Denver gets a lot more attention than many cities because of it's status as THE MAJOR CITY in the region. Salt Lake City gets simalar status then you pretty much have to go to the west coast for similar access.
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Dave
 
I haven't seen a camera that I have purchased before I purchased it in many years. I'm either looking for something that is either not that popular with the rest of the world or it is so new nobody has one yet. I've also never sent a camera back because I do a lot of research before I purchase a camera. Sometimes there have been some little surprises, but nothing is ever perfect.

I figure it is "punishment" for not wanting what most people want... I don't know that I'd learn that much in a store playing around for a few minutes anyway.

Check out the return policies. I read that lots of people will order several cameras with the intent of sending one or more back.

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Judy
http://nichollsphoto.com/
 
With most DSLRs you pretty much know about the camera from the reviews and specs. The SLT/EVF cameras are such new technology that I would really like to look though this controversial viewfinder before I order one, for that matter, invest a lot more in the Alpha system in the way of lenses. So far this hasn't been possible as I haven't been able to find a functioning model to try.
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Dave
 
Putting products aside, this almost complete lack of customer and retailer support is a big reason why a serious photographer (amateur or pro) has to give serious pause in considering whether to buy into the Sony/Alpha brand. Were I starting from scratch, knowing what I know, I would most probably not consider it.
I'm a serious photographer Mark, living in a town of 60,000. I order my Sony kit from B&H, Adorama, and others, as I would do if I shot Canon or Nikon. The last camera store closed 10+ years ago. Personally, I'd probably still do the bulk of my purchasing on the web even if I had a fully stocked local store.

I'd be surprised to see camera stores still in business in another 10 years in any but the very largest markets. Prints historically made up the bulk of a camera stores sales. With more people printing at home, or at their grocery, drug, big box, or web printer, or foregoing prints altogether (publishing only online), that revenue stream will disappear.

I wonder Mark. If someone asked your opinion, knowing what you know, if they should open a camera store, should they consider it?
Graham,

You are quite right that owning or operating a camera store has become a very difficult business since the move to digital. As you noted, a good (majority) of a store's profits used to come from film processing and printing. That certainly has changed. Stores that have not changed with the times are gone. In my area (metropolitan area of about 2 million - my "guesstimate") there are far fewer camera stores, and chain stores, than there used to be. One chain, that I worked for a long, long time ago, is totally gone (it was owned by a film processor and the stores were largely outlets for that service, but the also changed as mini-labs came into existence to dominate the film processing and printing market).

But, there still are some stores that are successful. While many consumers do buy online, some of whom are forced to because there is no local store (like yourself), many consumers still want to be able to hold and try something before they buy. I certainly will not buy any camera body or lens without first being able to see how it handles and feels in my hand. How fast is the focus of a lens? How comfortable is the camera in my hands? Those are just a couple of things I want to know before I buy something. Consumers (in general) also like having a resource where they can go with their questions, if they have a problem, or to buy an accessory. Successful stores have been able to adapt and change with the times. The manufacturers are in some ways helping them through "price fixing" arrangements such that the price differential that used to exist between small local shops and the huge retailers (like B&H) are much smaller or non-existent. Nonetheless, there are many people who do their buying on line and thus there is less business available for local stores, and their numbers have declined, significantly.

But, such stores still represent a significant sales opportunity for camera companies. On the particular Saturday I was at the local store I talk about above (yesterday), I saw a good number of Canon and Nikon bodies and lenses getting sold. That was in only a couple of hours that I was there. I will see it again in a couple of weeks when the largest local chain in my area (with about 5-6 stores) has its annual tent event, with manufacturer's reps, special sales, and other activities. It's a huge sales day for them, and one when Sony has (at least historically except for last year I think) had someone there (but then it also used to have someone at the event I went to yesterday). Will they in two weeks? Beats me. I happen to have a gift card to the store holding its event in a couple of weeks, so will be looking to buy something there. But, that store doesn't stock much Sony gear (primarily consumer/entry level stuff, and probably not anything in which I would or might be interested - assuming I would buy anything for the Alpha system at this time, which I won't because of uncertainties about Sony's direction).

The bottom line I think is that Sony is leaving a lot of sales on the table because it does not have good relationships with smaller local retailers, and makes it either too difficult, too expensive, or otherwise not generally worth it to carry Alpha products.

As to your question, knowing what I know, I would have to advise someone against opening a camera store in today's market (the down economy also has its negative effects on luxury goods such as cameras are for most people other than pros who earn their living with them). At least in a market area that already has existing stores with which they would have to compete. Probably in your town as well (unless the general area beyond your town has a more significant population). There could be some area where opening a new store might make sense. But it would be a hard sell. :-)

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Mark Van Bergh
http://www.markvanbergh.com
 
As one who's done little to support local stores, how can you complain that they don't carry Sony cameras?
I have to admit that I'm guilty of that ... I use local stores to check out gear, then order from B&H. I should probably revisit that approach now that camera gear is universally price fixed (not just Sony, but Nikon & Canon as well). Though lately I've just been comparing floor models (A33 versus D7000 versus 60D) at Best Buy ... I don't feel so guilty about that, since I'm not taking up anyone's time. I won't bother the clerks at the photo store, though they're the only place in the area that has anything remotely high end (and nothing Sony). So really if I want to buy anything that I want to see firsthand, I either take a day trip to NYC or wait until Photoplus Expo. I guess I'm paying the price for me (and everyone else) not supporting local stores. In a way, as much as I dislike price fixing, it's kind of a shame that it took so long, because the local shops suffered for years being unable to compete on price with the internet shops (and the mail order places before that).
Dennis,

Even with the price fixing that now takes place, people will still buy online to save on the sales tax they would otherwise pay, even if in some states (like mine) they are technically required to pay the sales tax when they file their income tax return (and not just on the price of the item bought but also on the shipping charges). I have to do that when I file my quarterly sales tax return. Thus, many people still see a price advantage in buying online, particularly for higher priced items (e.g., an A900 at $2700 would cost me $135 in sales tax if bought locally, which is far more than the shipping cost if bought online, even with overnight delivery).

There still remains a potentially significant price differential for online buyers, but it's a result of whether or not they can "avoid" paying sales tax, not the actual cost of the item. Of course, for some items the only availability of an item is via online purchase, in which case the local owner is not losing anything because they don't have the item to sell.

I should note that I did buy my A900 locally, as well as all but one of my CZ and G Sony lenses. I do support my local retailers when they have what I am looking to buy. If they don't have it, or I happen to be in NY visiting family, then it's usually B&H.

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Mark Van Bergh
http://www.markvanbergh.com
 
Get over it! Just order it from B&H, along with your preferred Zeiss lens. When it arrives, fondle it, shoot with it, and be amazed. In the unlikely event you aren't amazed, e-mail B&H for a Return Merchandize Authorization, print out the form and mailing label, afix to merchandise, and drive to the nearest UPS store for free shipping back to B&H. Then wait several days for B&H to credit your CC.
Curious whether the next bloke gets his item NIB or recycled. Someone asked one of the e-tailer reps about that awhile back, and the question was dodged.

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TC
 
I agree with the OP that not being able to actually handle the camera is a distinct disadvantage...after all, making a photograph is a "hands-on" experience.

And most buyers of high-end FF cameras and CZ lenses are more tuned into the "look and feel" of their gear than the bloke pulling out an old, sticky snap-shooter for a "happy-snap" of little Johnny riding the merry-go-round.

Afterall, it isn't all dollars and cents or even high ISO....the higher the price, the better the education the more esoteric becomes the purchase decision - and all the camera manufacturers know this...as well as the "real" camera stores.

All that said.....the terrible, inconvenient truth is that with 8 billion potential buyers and thousands being born every minute why should Sony or any other huge corporation do anything more than merely "smile and nod" at the customer.

If you don't buy you will be quickly pushed aside by less discriminating, less demanding "boobies" who just want to buy something and worse, since they have so little respect for the rest of society they expect little respect for themselves...a merchants best customer.

The Ox is slow...but the Earth is patient.
Keith
 
Compare the prices in US, Europe and Asia and calculate the exchange rates. Then you will know why they try to sell more out of America. A few years ago America was supplied before Europe. Things have changed now.
 
Please don't take this as an attack but that was a rather cynical view
 

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