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Direct View System: as in SLR the "camera" is implied

It seems odd to me to name something by what it doesn't have (a mirror) as opposed to some feature it has. Maybe instead of calling them digital cameras we should call them filmless cameras.

maybe "Direct View" hints at the fact that the image seen in the viewfinder of an SLR is not actually what the CCD/CMOS records.

edit: "compact" doesn't work either ... it's all relative.
 
kessler said:
Direct View System: as in SLR the "camera" is implied

It seems odd to me to name something by what it doesn't have (a mirror) as opposed to some feature it has. Maybe instead of calling them digital cameras we should call them filmless cameras.

maybe "Direct View" hints at the fact that the image seen in the viewfinder of an SLR is not actually what the CCD/CMOS records.

edit: "compact" doesn't work either ... it's all relative.

Sorry Kessler, I posted something along similar lines. I hadn't read this post and I agree with you. I suggested LIVE. Lens Interchangeable Viewfinder Electronic as it also gave a neat acronym (and perhaps suggested that ovf was not LIVE)
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Mike Fewster
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I agree that "mirrorless" is silly. It only makes sense at the moment because SLRs are the norm, and it is the most obvious difference to a DSLR.

Agree that "compact" is not proper either. Again it is a reference to that the xxx camera is smaller than typical DSLRs.
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I see your point about naming something with a feature it doesn't have but an optical viewfinder gives a 'direct view' of the subject which is true of a DSLR.

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It's history that comes into it, it could seem silly to define a camera as an SLR, as 99% (ok, I'm guessing) of all cameras have a single Lens, and no reflex cameras have more or less ! But we had twin lens cameras once, so...

But if the Mirrorless term does come into it, it should be in relation to SLRs, so the DSLM (Digital Single Lens Mirrorless) suggestion would make sense...
kessler said:
Direct View System: as in SLR the "camera" is implied

It seems odd to me to name something by what it doesn't have (a mirror) as opposed to some feature it has. Maybe instead of calling them digital cameras we should call them filmless cameras.

maybe "Direct View" hints at the fact that the image seen in the viewfinder of an SLR is not actually what the CCD/CMOS records.

edit: "compact" doesn't work either ... it's all relative.
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DCS Digital Camera System

Logical speaking;

1. You dont need to define Interchangeable Lense - IL. Its in the System. Then we have a S.

2. Micro or Compact is not apropiate. Who knows what the future brings? Supersized mirrorless 40MP cameras? Its not about any "mirror". Forget C and M.

3. Its still a Camera. We got a C.

4. Do we need Digital or Electric? Everything is digital nowadays. If it is important - then we have a D.

Digital Camera System : DCS

My explanation

We are in an era where photography and video are coming together. We dont know about future viewfinders, sensor or lenses. No good idea to get stuck into a very precise description that is doomed to be outdated in a couple of years.
Let the old people use SLR or DSLR about therir precious cameras.

The rest should use a very broad description.

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Mike the Viking
 
Indirect View System, which "hints" at the fact that what you see in the viewfinder is not a direct view through the lens but rather just a magnified view of a tiny TV screen showing an image that sensor captured looking through the lens.

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rocklobster said:
I see your point about naming something with a feature it doesn't have but an optical viewfinder gives a 'direct view' of the subject which is true of a DSLR.

Cheers
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right, but it doesn't give you a direct view of the image that will be captured. Maybe another word needs to be used, but it would be great to capture this idea: that you see what the picture will look like not just what's out there. I'd much rather know what the camera is going to record than the scene the I can see by moving my eye an inch.

here are some others:

Data View
Digital View
Captured View

I also prefer "interchangeable" to "system"; DVI is taken but CVI isn't.

just like how "mirror" is implied in SLR "len" can be implied with CVI
 
kessler said:
... it would be great to capture this idea: that you see what the picture will look like...
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But that isn't true either. All you're seeing is the microdisplay's rendering of the in-camera JPEG engine's interpretation of the raw data. That rendering may have little resemblance to the final image.

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Lee Jay
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history of course defines inovation, but an SLR has a Single Lens and a Reflex mirror, does a have a mirrorless? Repeating myself, do we call them filmless cameras? This feature should be spun in an affirmative light; my wife likes "true view", but I think it's over the top marketing.
Le Kilt said:
It's history that comes into it, it could seem silly to define a camera as an SLR, as 99% (ok, I'm guessing) of all cameras have a single Lens, and no reflex cameras have more or less ! But we had twin lens cameras once, so...

But if the Mirrorless term does come into it, it should be in relation to SLRs, so the DSLM (Digital Single Lens Mirrorless) suggestion would make sense...
kessler said:
Direct View System: as in SLR the "camera" is implied

It seems odd to me to name something by what it doesn't have (a mirror) as opposed to some feature it has. Maybe instead of calling them digital cameras we should call them filmless cameras.

maybe "Direct View" hints at the fact that the image seen in the viewfinder of an SLR is not actually what the CCD/CMOS records.

edit: "compact" doesn't work either ... it's all relative.
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but at least you are seeing something that would be possible to recreate with the captured data.
ljfinger said:
kessler said:
... it would be great to capture this idea: that you see what the picture will look like...
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But that isn't true either. All you're seeing is the microdisplay's rendering of the in-camera JPEG engine's interpretation of the raw data. That rendering may have little resemblance to the final image.

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Lee Jay
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kessler said:
but at least you are seeing something that would be possible to recreate with the captured data.
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You see that with an SLR as well, and it includes all that could be recreated, not just a few stops worth in a narrow gamut.

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Lee Jay
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Sonylover1 said:
DCS Digital Camera System

Logical speaking;

1. You dont need to define Interchangeable Lense - IL. Its in the System. Then we have a S.

2. Micro or Compact is not apropiate. Who knows what the future brings? Supersized mirrorless 40MP cameras? Its not about any "mirror". Forget C and M.

3. Its still a Camera. We got a C.
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Sonylover1 said:
4. Do we need Digital or Electric? Everything is digital nowadays. If it is important - then we have a D.

Digital Camera System : DCS
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it's good, but by your logic in 4 and by name convention, we don't need C=camera, since all cameras are cameras
Sonylover1 said:
My explanation

We are in an era where photography and video are coming together. We dont know about future viewfinders, sensor or lenses. No good idea to get stuck into a very precise description that is doomed to be outdated in a couple of years.
Let the old people use SLR or DSLR about therir precious cameras.

The rest should use a very broad description.

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Mike the Viking
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maybe it's just my preference, but I'd rather see what the CCD/other records then what I want the camera to record.
ljfinger said:
Indirect View System, which "hints" at the fact that what you see in the viewfinder is not a direct view through the lens but rather just a magnified view of a tiny TV screen showing an image that sensor captured looking through the lens.

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Lee Jay
(see profile for equipment)
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kessler said:
Do you mean on the rear LCD when using live view?
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No, I mean through the viewfinder. The sensor captures a very wide gamut and perhaps 9-12 stops of dynamic range. The LCD or EVF produces a very narrow gamut and perhaps 5-7 stops of dynamic range. Your eye sees in a very wide gamut with perhaps 14 stops of dynamic range so what you see through an OVF is likely to be far closer to what you can extract from an image captured by the sensor than when you see through an EVF is.

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Lee Jay
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kessler said:
maybe it's just my preference, but I'd rather see what the CCD/other records then what I want the camera to record.
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Too bad the EVF doesn't provide that (and thankfully, it doesn't, as that's a pretty sad, unusable image).

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Lee Jay
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Better. I still like "LVS" - Live View System the best..
kessler said:
Direct View System: as in SLR the "camera" is implied

It seems odd to me to name something by what it doesn't have (a mirror) as opposed to some feature it has. Maybe instead of calling them digital cameras we should call them filmless cameras.

maybe "Direct View" hints at the fact that the image seen in the viewfinder of an SLR is not actually what the CCD/CMOS records.

edit: "compact" doesn't work either ... it's all relative.
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Rishi O'
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Sorry, mirrorless will stick. seems to be the more popular term. Doesn't matter if it's the most accurate. Crop-factor stuck.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to clean spam out of my mailbox. ;)
 
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