dslr vs P&S

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Hi !

I,m on the merge to go to my first dslr, After much reading my choice is to go with the Nikon d90 with 18-105 lens. In the last 2 or 3 days, i've read that recent P&S can deliver the same picture quality Outdoor (no real surprise there) but also indoor when the light is not at his peak. I Always thouht that the small sensor size of the P&S make them less performing in dim light than dslr.

For me the main advantage of an p&s is portability. Is there any model who can deliver the same indoor quality without flash from what i can get with the d90 ? I alse saw great results we can get from the nikon 35 mm 1.8 ((blurry background and stuff). anyone know a p&s who can deliver the same result ?

I really thought that dslr is the way to go to learn photography and obtain the greatest results, but it seem that I might be wrong....
 
Hi !

In the last 2 or 3 days, i've read that recent P&S can deliver the same picture quality Outdoor (no real surprise there) but also indoor when the light is not at his peak. I Always thouht that the small sensor size of the P&S make them less performing in dim light than dslr.
Who says? I admit that I might say that after a case of beer, but who else?
I really thought that dslr is the way to go to learn photography and obtain the greatest results, but it seem that I might be wrong....
You can learn photography with any camera. An SLR is simply a better tool, and the images (assuming a decent lens) will give you results with better clear detail. It also allows for interchangability of lenses.

There are other interchangable systems with large sensors, and they can more or less match an SLR. But those who say that a tiny sensor can match a large sensor, are, err, mistaken.

Dave
 
I think that the interchangeable lens cameras that Dave is referring are ones such as the Olympus Pen series, Panasonic G series, Sony NEX series and Samsung EX.

These have DSLR sized sensors but are smaller than DSLRs, especially ones without viewfinders and when used with a "pancake" lens.

However, they are larger than most compact cameras, especially when fitted with a zoom lens.
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Chris R
 
I think that the interchangeable lens cameras that Dave is referring are ones such as the Olympus Pen series, Panasonic G series, Sony NEX series and Samsung EX.

These have DSLR sized sensors but are smaller than DSLRs, especially ones without viewfinders and when used with a "pancake" lens.

However, they are larger than most compact cameras, especially when fitted with a zoom lens.
I got the impression that the OP thinks that a normal modern P&S can match the output of an interchangable lens camera. That a small sensor built now, can match a large sensor.

This doesn't even touch on the versatility of interchangable lens camera. Fast lens, long telephoto, extreme wide angle, etc, etc.

Personally, and here there is room for legitimate debate, I believe that at this moment in time, the most versatle cameras are still the SLR type. But what in my opinion is not debatable is that any large sensor interchangable lens system can beat the pants off the best P&S.

Dave
 
I,m on the merge to go to my first dslr, After much reading my choice is to go with the Nikon d90 with 18-105 lens.
As good a choice as any.
In the last 2 or 3 days, i've read that recent P&S can deliver the same picture quality Outdoor (no real surprise there) but also indoor when the light is not at his peak. I Always thouht that the small sensor size of the P&S make them less performing in dim light than dslr.
Depends on the specific cameras under discussion, the photographer and the result you're looking for. I use Nikon dSLRs as well as Canon compacts (Nikon's compacts suck), and I can say that up to ISO800, handled carefully (ie taking charge of the camera and making it do what it's told) both my Canon G10 and S95 are for all intents and purposes the equal of my Nikon D200s in low light. (Note that this is real world use, not comparisons in a lab somewhere. Am I happy going to 800 on the compacts? Not really, it's a lot of work to get a good RAW file in-camera; but it can be done.) That image quality difference must be weighed against the 5 or 6 years of development between the D200 and the G10/S95 - the D200 is still a great camera, but we've come a long way since it was released. Of course, all of them pale when compared to my D700...
For me the main advantage of an p&s is portability.
A small camera in your hand is better than a big one at home. Which is why I own the S95. : )
Is there any model who can deliver the same indoor quality without flash from what i can get with the d90?
If you mean 'Is there any model of compact camera that will give me the same quality etc', then I'd say not. If you meant the question to refer to any camera type, then yes, almost any current dSLR will do it for you, and some will beat the D90 in quality quite easily.
I alse saw great results we can get from the nikon 35 mm 1.8 ((blurry background and stuff). anyone know a p&s who can deliver the same result ?
There isn't one - maximum possible depth of field blur is in direct correlation to the size of the sensor. Very simply, the smaller the sensor, the greater the minimum depth of field.
I really thought that dslr is the way to go to learn photography and obtain the greatest results, but it seem that I might be wrong....
No, you're not wrong. Yes, you are wrong. It all comes down to what will work best for you - as is often said, it's not the camera, it's the photographer. Cameras are tools, and that's all they are. A 'good' camera will increase your chance of making a 'good' image, but it doesn't guarantee it. The best way to learn is to not obsess about the gear, but to obsess about the images. Do your research, look around online for tutorials in what you want to learn, join a local camera club, look at other photographers' work (published in books and magazines, on the net, at your local club - you can learn to 'see' by looking at what others see), and go out and SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT, with whatever camera you have closest when the urge strikes.

That said, if you're serious about your photography, a cheap and nasty compact will pretty soon start to limit your ability to get the result you want. Go and buy your D90, then SHOOT with it. Learn from your mistakes, learn from your successes, DON'T ask your wife/girlfriend/Mum for criticism - go and get some feedback from people who will be honest with you (see 'join a camera club' above.) Above all, HAVE FUN - life is way too short to get bent out of shape over cameras.

There is no such thing as the perfect camera; if you choose the dSLR, there will be negatives. There will also be positives. In my (not so) humble opinion, the pluses outweigh the minuses by a good margin - get the D90 and be happy.

Rob
 
Thanks a lot for all those answers. I will go with a dslr like my first idea was. I know how I am if I buy a p&S i will always ask myself if the picture i just took could have been better with an dslr. And if i don't like carrying an dslr i'll sell it back.
 
p and s are better in low lite today but still dont equal dslr in a head to head compet. results are comparable outside but dslrs still hold the edge outside in good lite. what about a mirrorless cam like an epl1/2 which gives you the best of both worlds which good iq outdoors and at nite or a sony nex. r
Hi !

I,m on the merge to go to my first dslr, After much reading my choice is to go with the Nikon d90 with 18-105 lens. In the last 2 or 3 days, i've read that recent P&S can deliver the same picture quality Outdoor (no real surprise there) but also indoor when the light is not at his peak. I Always thouht that the small sensor size of the P&S make them less performing in dim light than dslr.

For me the main advantage of an p&s is portability. Is there any model who can deliver the same indoor quality without flash from what i can get with the d90 ? I alse saw great results we can get from the nikon 35 mm 1.8 ((blurry background and stuff). anyone know a p&s who can deliver the same result ?

I really thought that dslr is the way to go to learn photography and obtain the greatest results, but it seem that I might be wrong....
 
Thanks a lot for all those answers. I will go with a dslr like my first idea was. I know how I am if I buy a p&S i will always ask myself if the picture i just took could have been better with an dslr. And if i don't like carrying an dslr i'll sell it back.
Think carefully before you buy. I've been an enthusiastic amateur for many years, and one thing I know for an absolute certainty : if it wasn't for the lightweight but very capable bridge cameras, I'd have given up by now - those cameras are light enough for me to carry wherever I go.

It is true that in lower light conditions there will be much more noise evident than you would get with a DSLR. I've made that choice and I can live with that, adjusting to some extent. The big mistake however, is to ALWAYS think about the technical improvements you "could have got with another camera". If you had a DSLR those concerns would not disappear - you would instead think "Oh, is there a better DSLR, or a better lens, or a larger sensor, or more MP, or whatever". Replace those thoughts with how to improve your composition, understanding all the different variables involved with focus, exposure, depth of field, etc - those are the real issues we all need to struggle with.

Good luck.
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Panas0n!c Lum!x FZ-38
 
As I said, the camera you have in your hand is better than the one at home. Make the effort to carry the SLR, it will reward you. Bridge cameras are good, I started my digitial photography with a Fuji S9500, but it soon started to frustrate me with its limitations, even given the many things it did right. And I've yet to use one that comes close to even a cheap dSLR for responsivness and image quality.

Just one thing - cameras are almost throw-away items these days, with the exception of the pro-grade ones. DO NOT expect to get a good return on a second-hand digital camera when you sell it, even if it's almost new. I paid $2500 Au for my D200, 5 years down the track, they're going for $500...

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Rob.
 
I used to own a Panasonic FZ-8, not a bad camera, gave me decent images but were not great. What got me the most was the shutter lag. I dont know how many times I would see what I wanted, pressed the shutter button, only to miss the picture by half a second. I missed a lot more pictures than I would like, I love my D90. Great camera, and the learning curve can be as steep or as shallow as you want. Its not the low model, but a litle more advanced, and give it a few years, then Ill upgrade. Youll be very happy with the D90 for years to come
 
Hi !

I,m on the merge to go to my first dslr, After much reading my choice is to go with the Nikon d90 with 18-105 lens. In the last 2 or 3 days, i've read that recent P&S can deliver the same picture quality Outdoor (no real surprise there) but also indoor when the light is not at his peak. I Always thouht that the small sensor size of the P&S make them less performing in dim light than dslr.
They've improved such that if you compare them to older DSLRs, the difference isn't as noticeable as it once was (assuming you get a really good one). For newer DSLRs, where the sensors have also improved, they still don't really compare. Smaller sensors are inherently not as good.
For me the main advantage of an p&s is portability. Is there any model who can deliver the same indoor quality without flash from what i can get with the d90 ? I alse saw great results we can get from the nikon 35 mm 1.8 ((blurry background and stuff). anyone know a p&s who can deliver the same result ?
There are some good ones - many serious photographers like to supplement their DSLR with a top P&S that they can always have with them. I leave that to others more familiar with the current models to make recommendations.
I really thought that dslr is the way to go to learn photography and obtain the greatest results, but it seem that I might be wrong....
A P&S offers convenience, but a DSLR will allow you to go farther. It really depends on how demanding you are on your camera to get the image you desire.

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