What I dislike in LX5

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After using LX5 for half a year I have several dislikes:

1) I dislike not having 1/2 Ev steps for shutter/aperture/correction/iso

2) I really dislike not seeing resulting exposition in M mode until I half-press button.

3) I dislike there is no socket (2.5mm jack or other) for remote control (I would like to use radio trigger and hunt for birds and small animals)
4) I dislike slow zoom (especially in video)

What do you dislike?

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After using LX5 for half a year I have several dislikes:

1) I dislike not having 1/2 Ev steps for shutter/aperture/correction/iso

2) I really dislike not seeing resulting exposition in M mode until I half-press button.

3) I dislike there is no socket (2.5mm jack or other) for remote control (I would like to use radio trigger and hunt for birds and small animals)
4) I dislike slow zoom (especially in video)

What do you dislike?
Number 1 doesn't bother me; #2 I would dislike if it was implemented...not being able to see the image well is worse than having to half press (to me anyway; some older cameras had no LCD gain-up and it was a real hassle at times). #3 I agree with, I can't figure out why neither the LX3 or LX5 had one. #4, perhaps a choice in the menu, but I like the slow zoom, too many people don't realize how bad fast and repetitive zooming looks in the final result. (plus it keeps down the zooom motor noise).

My choices would be:
1- the thumbwheel...awkward and inexact to use.

2- the battery issue where necessary camera features are disabled with anything but pricey Panasonic batteries.

Aside from that, there are minor annoyances, but nothing I really don't like. There have to be compromises, one person's "must have" is another person's nightmare, bu the 2 I listed, and the lack of remote plug, there's no excuse or good reason for.
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Zebooka wrote:
After using LX5 for half a year I have several dislikes:
What do you dislike?
LX5 attractors : I like the new additional single-area AF focus area (a pity that it resets to a default size so easily, though), the Power OIS that appears to decrease the low-frequency response corner-frequency of the Mega OIS servo-system by approximately one octave, and the preset "Step-Zoom" functionality. An LCD display that is more visible in outdoor lighting environments sounds like a welcome improvement, as well.

The 90mm maximum Focal Length (increased by 50% relative to the LX3).

(The video features are not an area of major personal interest for me), but it is certainly a positive factor that one can adjust the Zoom during the process of video recording (as my FZ50 does with it's own nowadays rather dated video recording modes).
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LX5 detractors : Loss of the ability to record an unlimited continuous stream of 10 Mpixel (Fine) JPGs, loss of the dedicated Focus Button, and the loss of the (very familiar, and very quickly accessible to me) ability to adjust the Manual Exposure Compensation (using the Up Arrow, followed by the Left/Right Arrow buttons). I don't use Bracketing or Flash Compensation very often, but their increased accessibility (via the same controls) would seem to be unfortunate, as well.

Proprietary (and around 5 times more expensive) chipped batteries.

A reported to be significantly less symmetrical MTF(50) response function (in the horizontal as well as the vertical axes around the center of the image-frame) in the LX5 lens-system relative to the LX3 lens-system (perhaps due to lens-element de-centering effects) which varies as a function of Focal Length and F-Number a great deal more in the LX5 than in the LX3 (even at less than 60mm Focal Length), and which (may) also vary in nature from unit to unit.

These characteristics were predicted by me to present a problem in the effective implementation of DxO Optics Pro's "Lens Softness" optical lens-blur corrections in the case of the LX5, and it now appears (from my present actual use in processing LX5 RW2s using DxO) that such issues have, in fact, reduced that effectiveness in the case of the LX5 (as compared to in the case of the LX3). See:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=37605082
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I (initially) found the LX3 "Joy-Stick" to be highly prone to unintended "switch-bounce", launching the selection far past the desired destination as a result. I have since learned to approach the control more carefully, and can navigate the "Quick-Menu" pretty effectively without inducing unintended "switch-bounce" anymore.

However, I (still) find the integration of the Joy-Stick" with the LX3's Manual Focus mode functions to be ridiculously confusing as well as quite "tweaky".

(Thankfully, I suppose), rather spoiled by the FZ30 and FZ50's manually-adjustable Focus and Zoom rings, not taking well to the seemingly limited number of discrete steps available in the LX3 Manual Focus adjustment, not taking well to the fact that focus at "infinity" exists somewhere around 16 "steps" back from the adjustment-range maximum, and not being able to assess focus easily on the LCD display in outdoor lighting, I have pretty much ignored the Manual Focus mode on the LX3, rarely using it in my typical hand-held (or mono-pod stabilized) shooting style.
 
What do you dislike?
I buy your #2 here; the other do not seems too important to me. I'll add the too limited burst mode capability and the lack of a remote as negative points, too. And with the lack of a remote, the possibility of an "arbitrary" slow shutter time.

The battery thing is really upsetting, I agree. If I did know before, it would have been a possible show-stopper (I was deciding between LX-5 and Olympus XZ-1. Maybe I should have gone for the G12, but the faster lenses attracted me). Panasonic, please try making money with good cameras, not by dirty tricks like that one...

The thing I would like a lot is having more hands-on on the firmware. Scripts, for example, like CHDK people are doing. Well...

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I've owned the LX5 for about 8 months now & I am thoroughly enjoying it. It's a nice upgrade from the LX3. Overall, the camera is designed very well and is made with fine craftsmanship.

My dislikes:
  • As others mentioned, the chipped & more expensive battery. No need to switch from the already available LX3 battery.
  • Not sure why Panasonic buried it in the Menu. I'd like for it to be easily accessible. Add Flash EV compensation to the Scroll wheel or in the Q. Menu, when the Flash is popped up. Than you'll see EV compensation, Aperture or Shutter adjustments and flash compensation in the display. When the Flash is down or off, it won't appear among the Scroll wheel's options.
  • Eliminate NR (noise reduction) when you set NR to -2 or shoot at ISO 80.
  • No support for wireless IR remote. I use the LX5 on a mini-tripod and I dislike having to use the 2-second timer to reduce vibration (I have since purchased a cable release and Richard Franiec's Cable Release Adapter to use as a wired remote). A wireless remote would be ideal. Maybe Panasonic can add this function in a future accessory to the Accessory Port above the LCD?
  • No real low-profile external flash that can bounce. I don't want to attach a large Olympus FL flash on this small LX5 body. Something compact & bounce-able would be ideal.
  • I would be interested in a 2-shot bracket blend. One Raw shot exposed for sky and one Raw exposed for the foreground......than a well exposed blend to either Raw or a Jpeg, in-camera. Not necessary but could be added to a future firmware update.
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I would agree with the others about the battery issue and I would not buy another Panasonic camera if compatible inexpensive batteries are not available.

The one thing I would like to see is the option to select which aspect ratios to use instead of four as now.
 
I miss a forced-flash option in iA mode. Also miss, as others, quick access to flash compensation.

This is the first camera that I've had with a reliable battery indicator. They've always seemed to go from blinketyblink to dead in a few minutes. I could have saved a few bucks by buying an un-brand spare but chose not to. (ocd :|)

All-in-all I'm happy with the camera, oem spare battery, non-oem filter tube and case for less than $500.

All the months of waiting, shopping, shopping and waiting (ocd again) I've spent instead ocd-ing with the camera.:)
 
My list of likes is far greater than dislikes or omissions or wants - very pleased with the LX5 on all levels.

That said, the one thing that I love and hate is the thumb wheel - love what it does and the real-time change capability without resorting to menus yet it's physical operation is less than smooth - I understand the issue between too light a pressure to operate with false changes occurring inadvertently but it takes too much to adjust easily including pushing it in to change states. Just needs to be refined mechanically.

Again - I'm really pleased with the camera overall!

David
 
If you dislike it so much, why are you still using it instead of a camera that does these things ?
 
I've owned the LX5 for about 8 months now & I am thoroughly enjoying it. It's a nice upgrade from the LX3. Overall, the camera is designed very well and is made with fine craftsmanship.

My dislikes:
  • As others mentioned, the chipped & more expensive battery. No need to switch from the already available LX3 battery.
This is a showstopper for me. I had an LX3 with three batteries and sold it in preparation for buying the LX5 -- then I ran into the chipped battery road block. No way, Jose!!! $150 batteries (here in Oz)? You must be joking. If they were 50% or even 100% above a 3rd party battery, I would say "Okay" (but not happily). But 5x, 6x the "real" price of a battery? Panasonic can take its camera and stick it in a fundamental orifice!

I'm looking at the Nikon P300 and various others for my small, walk-around camera. I really like the LX5 specs, but it is useless to me without multiple batteries and the thought of paying more than half the new price for a couple of spare batteries tells me that Panasonic doesn't care.

The same applies to the G1/2, GH1/2. I have a G1 with two batteries. As soon as a useful competitor comes out -- I expect Olympus to produce one this year -- I will be out of Panasonic and into Olympus.
  • No real low-profile external flash that can bounce. I don't want to attach a large Olympus FL flash on this small LX5 body. Something compact & bounce-able would be ideal.
Not forgetting the fact that, like in the case of its chipped batteries, Panasonic is charging usurious prices for its flashes which aren't all that flash! Dez, have a look at the the Metz 24 AF-1. Just a nice size for the LX5 and similar cameras. Comes with a dedicated foot. I've got one ordered in anticipation of purchasing the LX5 (having tried the FL36 and found it ridiculously out of scale -- as you did), but I'm now using it with great satisfaction on the G1. It's light, it's got enough power (GN 24 in meters at ISO100), compact, and costs around $100. Only downside is a somewhat flimsy bounce setting, but it is doing the job excellently.

Cheers, geoff
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  • Eliminate NR (noise reduction) when you set NR to -2 or shoot at ISO 80.
iso80 on 1/1.6 sensor is about the same as iso640 on aps-c sized sensor, so without NR the picture will have visible noise. I can see noises clearly when I shoot RAW at base iso and good lighting Because of this. Because majority users would want their jpegs to be noise free, all P&S do NR even on the settings with least amount of noise..

if you really dont want detail loss, shoot raw and more sophisticated NR software to remove noise. on my intel I5, it takes topaz 5 about 20 seconds to process a 18mp image, this kind of algorithm is not currently possible for a small dedicated chip to perform inside 0.1 second.
  • No support for wireless IR remote.
I think you are asking for a fiarly advanced feature, which, if implemented, would not get a lot of use.
 
1) I dislike not having 1/2 Ev steps for shutter/aperture/correction/iso
what is wrong with 1/3 v steps?
2) I really dislike not seeing resulting exposition in M mode until I half-press button.
I think the reason for this design is so you can frame your shot properly when you intedn to under expose your image (so that the LCD would be mostly black
3) I dislike there is no socket (2.5mm jack or other) for remote control (I would like to use radio trigger and hunt for birds and small animals)
you are in the extreme minority that uses LX5 for birds, I dont think that is the inteded use for such a camera, this is like complaining a porsche for not having enough boot space for a 2 week camping trip.
 
Geoff, the Nikon P300 looks nice but it doesn't shoot Raw. Doesn't have a hotshoe for external flash. And I am not crazy about the IQ.

Take a look at the samples here. Alot of smearing going on:
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/nikon_coolpix_p300_review/sample_images/
True, Dez. To tell you the truth, I'm not concerned with shooting RAW; I'm pretty happy to go with the fine JPEGs. I'm actually only looking around casually at the moment; I'll get serious soon. Pity Olympus cracked out with the XZ-1 -- you'd think they would have noticed that 24 equiv is the new 28!!! And, of course, for some reason they do NR with a yard broom and you can't turn it off (people working in RAW report very good image quality).

Getting down to it -- there still isn't really a competitor for the LX-5
The Metz 24 AF-1 looks decent but still larger than I would like on a compact.
Hmmm -- I can't see it getting much smaller. ait certainly doesn't overbalance the camera.

Cheers, geoff
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1) I dislike not having 1/2 Ev steps for shutter/aperture/correction/iso
what is wrong with 1/3 v steps?
Nothing wrong. I like 1/2 steps because 1/3 are too small for me.
2) I really dislike not seeing resulting exposition in M mode until I half-press button.
I think the reason for this design is so you can frame your shot properly when you intedn to under expose your image (so that the LCD would be mostly black
You can frame your shot perfectly when you have correct exposure. Anyway behaviour of this feature can be made configurable.
3) I dislike there is no socket (2.5mm jack or other) for remote control (I would like to use radio trigger and hunt for birds and small animals)
you are in the extreme minority that uses LX5 for birds, I dont think that is the inteded use for such a camera, this is like complaining a porsche for not having enough boot space for a 2 week camping trip.
I'm talking of no remote control, not about birds and cars.
Can't you think a little bit wider? Lol

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I love that camera. Just pointing some features that can be improved.

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  • Eliminate NR (noise reduction) when you set NR to -2 or shoot at ISO 80.
iso80 on 1/1.6 sensor is about the same as iso640 on aps-c sized sensor, so without NR the picture will have visible noise. I can see noises clearly when I shoot RAW at base iso and good lighting Because of this. Because majority users would want their jpegs to be noise free, all P&S do NR even on the settings with least amount of noise..

if you really dont want detail loss, shoot raw and more sophisticated NR software to remove noise. on my intel I5, it takes topaz 5 about 20 seconds to process a 18mp image, this kind of algorithm is not currently possible for a small dedicated chip to perform inside 0.1 second.
  • No support for wireless IR remote.
I think you are asking for a fiarly advanced feature, which, if implemented, would not get a lot of use.
Ultimitsu , - 2 NR should show as minus 2.0 in the final image. I see no discernible difference between -2 and 0 setting for NR.

I do shoot Raw and use a plugin for NR. I want to be able to control that in post & not have the camera do it for me. Not a big complaint. Just a minor one.

As for the wireless remote support, I can think of unlimited uses for it & I'm sure many would welcome the option, in low light photography or macro work.
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Dez

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  • Eliminate NR (noise reduction) when you set NR to -2 or shoot at ISO 80.
iso80 on 1/1.6 sensor is about the same as iso640 on aps-c sized sensor, so without NR the picture will have visible noise. I can see noises clearly when I shoot RAW at base iso and good lighting Because of this. Because majority users would want their jpegs to be noise free, all P&S do NR even on the settings with least amount of noise..

if you really dont want detail loss, shoot raw and more sophisticated NR software to remove noise. on my intel I5, it takes topaz 5 about 20 seconds to process a 18mp image, this kind of algorithm is not currently possible for a small dedicated chip to perform inside 0.1 second.
  • No support for wireless IR remote.
I think you are asking for a fiarly advanced feature, which, if implemented, would not get a lot of use.
Ultimitsu , - 2 NR should show as minus 2.0 in the final image. I see no discernible difference between -2 and 0 setting for NR.
0 NR really means standard NR, -2 means 2 steps down, but does not mean less than zero or zero NR. I understand what you are saying with there sint much difference for the two in practice, I think maybe -2 and standard nr is the same at low iso. but eitherway, the point is there is always noise so there will always be noise reduction.
I do shoot Raw and use a plugin for NR. I want to be able to control that in post & not have the camera do it for me. Not a big complaint. Just a minor one.
it is good to hear that you use RAW. that is exactly what you are meant to do if you are not happy with in camera NR. like I said there is nothing to complain about since in-camera NR algrarithm can not be very advanced as of today and no NR is not possible.
As for the wireless remote support, I can think of unlimited uses for it & I'm sure many would welcome the option, in low light photography or macro work.
I am sure you can use wireless remote in an unlimited number of applications, my point was that LX series are not designed for most of these applications. I once tried night scenery shots (2 seconds +) with LX3, canon 1000D and canon 550D, even with the cheapest lens the 1000D blows LX3 away, and 550D is a class above 1000D again. the reason for this is LX3's tiny CCD has much more severe bloom effect than APS-C CMOS.

as for macro, that is something LX series isnt never very good at, because its minimum focus distance of 1cm is only available for 24mm equv FL. that is a FL where you get strong perspective distortion. even a lowly canon S5 is better at macro than LX, because its MFD works at 36mm equv FL, with much less perspective distortion.
 
1) I dislike not having 1/2 Ev steps for shutter/aperture/correction/iso
what is wrong with 1/3 v steps?
Nothing wrong. I like 1/2 steps because 1/3 are too small for me.
I really dont see how it matters at all. especially if you use Av mode most of the time, you dont really need to change anything.
2) I really dislike not seeing resulting exposition in M mode until I half-press button.
I think the reason for this design is so you can frame your shot properly when you intedn to under expose your image (so that the LCD would be mostly black
You can frame your shot perfectly when you have correct exposure. Anyway behaviour of this feature can be made configurable.
you didnt get what i was saying...

say if you were to take a picture of a candle lit dinner. you want to emphases the candle light, so you set exposure manually, it would be a lot darker than if it was set to auto, because you intentionally want the flame to be correctly exposed and all surroundings will be under exposed.

now if LCD preview reflects that straightaway, most of the lcd will be dark, then you would nto be able to frame your shot properly because you would nto know what is included in the shot and if you get lines straight. that is why the LCD preview still shows you the "right" brightness, and only shows actual image brightness" once you finished framing your shot and is ready to take the picture (half press shutter).
3) I dislike there is no socket (2.5mm jack or other) for remote control (I would like to use radio trigger and hunt for birds and small animals)
you are in the extreme minority that uses LX5 for birds, I dont think that is the inteded use for such a camera, this is like complaining a porsche for not having enough boot space for a 2 week camping trip.
I'm talking of no remote control, not about birds and cars.
Can't you think a little bit wider? Lol

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