D7000 vs. D5100 video

eNo · Apr 7, 2011

Do I have it right that with 30fps @ 1080p the D5100 has better capabilities than the D7000 (30fps at 720p only)? If so, should we expect the D7000 to have an update soon to match its younger sibbling?
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Major Major · Apr 7, 2011

That doesn't seem likely. I mean is this a necessary feature on a DSLR? seems like if its that important to people, for the time being they should purchase a dedicated vid camera.

Nightfury · Apr 7, 2011

Depending on what you are shooting you might not even notice the 6fps difference @ 1080, but yes the new D5100 can record at slightly higher FPS than the D7000.

And MM some people want to be able to carry around one device that takes good pictures and can record competent video.

mugupo · Apr 7, 2011

eNo said:
Do I have it right that with 30fps @ 1080p the D5100 has better capabilities than the D7000 (30fps at 720p only)? If so, should we expect the D7000 to have an update soon to match its younger sibbling?
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30fps is definite smoother than 24fps. and d5100 has flip lcd and lighter weight, for video is no brainer than d5100 is bette than d7000.

Ben Seese · Apr 7, 2011

eNo said:
If so, should we expect the D7000 to have an update soon to match its younger sibbling?

Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The D90 never got the utterly trivial firmware update to add the intervalometer & live-view-beyond-f/8 that its baby-sister D5000 had.

Pumping 25% more data per second through the D7000's signal processor than it was originally designed for seems far less trivial.

It could happen, but I certainly wouldn't buy a D7000 with the expectation that I'd get 1080p30 down the road.

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Mau D7000 · Apr 7, 2011

well who wants a 'competent' video then might want also a 'competent' audio (without spending 100-200 extra dollars for an external -taking more size-tool)

Dominique Dierick · Apr 7, 2011

Competent video without external audio is dreaming, even in advanced DSLRs, even in Panasonics GH2 video

D.

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Ben Seese · Apr 7, 2011

Dominique Dierick said:
Competent video without external audio is dreaming, even in advanced DSLRs, even in Panasonics GH2 video

To clarify here... It's dreaming to expect any built-in microphone to be "competent". It's not dreaming to expect the camera's mic-jack's signal processor to have decent frequency response, unlike the D7000. So an external mic will always be part of any setup where quality matters. But an external recorder is the accessory that is annoyingly necessary for the D7000.

Here's hoping the D5100 performs better in this respect.

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jonrobertp · Apr 7, 2011

sheesh when 25 and 30 fps first came out everyone wanted 24 to look like real movies. now the canons do 60 fps/720...so what ? The FF 5D does what ? and it really doesnt matter a whole lot. if u got sports...use the canon at 60fps. regular stuff 24 is not a prob. where do u use vid anyway ? can't use it on facebook ...way to slow to load. home tv ? wife/kids really want to see your stuff instead of the hollywood tonight ???

mgblack74 · Apr 7, 2011

That's the funniest thing I've read here in a while. Well said!!

jonrobertp said:
wife/kids really want to see your stuff instead of the hollywood tonight ???
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Mau D7000 · Apr 7, 2011

eheh

eNo · Apr 7, 2011

Major Major said:
That doesn't seem likely. I mean is this a necessary feature on a DSLR? seems like if its that important to people, for the time being they should purchase a dedicated vid camera.

As much as I tend to agree with you and as little (as in not at all) as I use video in a DSLR, let's just accept that this horse has long left the barn and is galloping with gusto through the prairies. People want video in DSLRs, or manufacturers have convinced themselves this is a key feature they don't dare lack in their DSLRs, or both of the above, and that's that. DSLR video is here to stay.

With that in mind, it seems Nikon would be ill-advised to have a higher end camera (D7000) be bested in this one feature by a lower-tear camera (D5100). Though I'm not holding my breath, who knows? The feature may soon be available via a firmware update that perhaps was not ready for prime-time (evidence: the hot-pixel on video fiasco) at the time the D7000 was released. I would seriously doubt the internal electronics of the D5100 are more advanced than the D7000's (given the short difference in their release dates) as to enable the 30fps @ 1080p capability in one and not the other.

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eNo · Apr 7, 2011

Ben Seese said:
eNo said:

If so, should we expect the D7000 to have an update soon to match its younger sibbling?

Click to expand...

Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The D90 never got the utterly trivial firmware update to add the intervalometer & live-view-beyond-f/8 that its baby-sister D5000 had.

Notice how far apart the D5000 and D90 were in their release dates. This makes it quite possible that their internal electronics were sufficiently different as to make a "simple" firmware fix impossible. Firmware always operates on hardware/electronics capabilities, so if those are missing, no go on a firmware update. The tune is different for the D7000 and D5100 which probably share most if not all of their image processing electronics. I don't have the drawings, though, so I'm putting a best guess forward.

Ben Seese said:
Pumping 25% more data per second through the D7000's signal processor than it was originally designed for seems far less trivial.

Yeah, but again, how different could the D7000's signal processor be than the D5100's? See my comment above. I see it highly unlikely that Nikon developed beefed-up signal processing for the D5100 rather than simply port over the same electronics. If they did, however, then the question is: will there be a D7100 in the near future to "catch" up to the D5100's video. That's more along the lines of what I meant by "update" in my OP.

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eNo · Apr 7, 2011

jonrobertp said:
wife/kids really want to see your stuff instead of the hollywood tonight ???

Yeah, and that "hollywood tonight" may have been shot with a DSLR.

Old news: http://philipbloom.net/2010/04/10/house-season-finale-shot-entirely-with-canon-5dmkii/

Oh, and BTW, if I had to bet, most wives would far prefer watching their family on video than the stuff passing for entertainment these days.

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Freak4Dell · Apr 7, 2011

Having video capabilities on a DSLR is nice because it opens up an average person to be able to use certain functions that typically only camcorders costing around $2k and up did, like changeable lenses, controlling various settings, etc.

I'm tempted to upgrade to the D5100 and sell my D5000. I love my D5000, but if I can get a better sensor for stills, and the capability to do better video for a minimal investment, I'll take it. I rarely do video, so investing in a good camcorder isn't high on my list of priorities.

VarmintCong · Apr 7, 2011

mugupo said:
30fps is definite smoother than 24fps. and d5100 has flip lcd and lighter weight, for video is no brainer than d5100 is bette than d7000.

It'd be nice to have the option of 1080/30p, but unless you're shooting sports, 24p looks better anyway. Planet Earth is filmed in 24p. 30p is for family videos and sports.

Ben Seese · Apr 7, 2011

eNo said:
Ben Seese said:

Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The D90 never got the utterly trivial firmware update to add the intervalometer & live-view-beyond-f/8 that its baby-sister D5000 had.

Click to expand...

Notice how far apart the D5000 and D90 were in their release dates...

Noted: 235 days.

D7000 -> D5100: 202 days

So much for that line of thinking. ;-)

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bewing77 · Apr 7, 2011

Well, since a "dedicated video camera" capable of the image quality, shallow DOF, interchangeable lenses etc a DSLR is capable of costs at least as much as 5 D7000's I would say that it's not a necessary feature, but something a lot of people want. Currently, there is a market for DSLRs being used purely for video, and that market is owned by Canon and Panasonic. I'm sure Nikon would like to have a piece of that cake as well.

Major Major said:
That doesn't seem likely. I mean is this a necessary feature on a DSLR? seems like if its that important to people, for the time being they should purchase a dedicated vid camera.

rhlpetrus · Apr 7, 2011

A D7000s looks likely by year´s end, with deeper buffer, better video. Sensor looks one to last longer than previous models in the upper amateur range (D80, D90).

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_sem_ · Apr 7, 2011

eNo said:
Notice how far apart the D5000 and D90 were in their release dates. This makes it quite possible that their internal electronics were sufficiently different as to make a "simple" firmware fix impossible. Firmware always operates on hardware/electronics capabilities, so if those are missing, no go on a firmware update. The tune is different for the D7000 and D5100 which probably share most if not all of their image processing electronics. I don't have the drawings, though, so I'm putting a best guess forward.

I think you have high hopes

There were quite a few fixes for the D90 quite simple and more than feasible but none has materialsed (except for the lens distortion correction database noone asked for, huh, at least not without auto correction that the D5k has , hehe). Notice the D90s also have some hot pixels here and there, but no update. The D7ks must have been returning in hundreds to trigger the update.

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