X100 as a DP1s replacement.

Zebra,

I just read your posts on the Fuji forum and saw your photos. You said it so beautifully, made such intelligent points and were so moving that I like to imagine you getting a standing ovation.

I have the DP1 and the DP2s, and you reminded me again why I like them so much.

Enrique
 
Zebra,

I just read your posts on the Fuji forum and saw your photos. You said it so beautifully, made such intelligent points and were so moving that I like to imagine you getting a standing ovation.

I have the DP1 and the DP2s, and you reminded me again why I like them so much.

Enrique
Thank you, Enrique,

When I heard all that hype about the x100 I really wondered if I should buy that camera as an all around device both for good light conditions where my dp2s excels and for not so good light conditions when Sigmas suck. It would be really universal. But when I started asking the happy owners of the x100 to show me a couple of candids in the open, where light conditions were ideal (in the sun), and, say, inside the premises where one has to raise the ISO, they showed me these (be careful, they are fullsize photos, and look at the guy's hair):









They seem too mushy, the texture is indistinct
I started to wonder what was all that hype about. OVF?
But the IQ must be the first priority in any camera, isn't that evident?

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They seem too mushy, the texture is indistinct
Those photos are iso 200 and iso 320 respectively, sigma also makes noise on those, and all bayer cameras will make mush at pixellevel, since each pixel is a compromize of its neighbours, thus these examples look fine to me
But the IQ must be the first priority in any camera, isn't that evident?
First priority is being able to use the camera (including affording it) and feel good about daily use as well as developing the shots; iq of a photo is first and foremost composition, and any feature of a camera that helps getting a good composition wins over that which only is used for boring shots, however sharp and free of ca they may be

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They seem too mushy, the texture is indistinct
Those photos are iso 200 and iso 320 respectively, sigma also makes noise on those,
Iso 200 is base ISO in the case of the Fuji 100x. Fuji's IQ doesn't come better than that. At base ISO there is no noise, no mushiness, worth talking about in the case of the Sigma DPx cameras.
and all bayer cameras will make mush at pixellevel, since each pixel is a compromize of its neighbours, thus these examples look fine to me
But the IQ must be the first priority in any camera, isn't that evident?
First priority is being able to use the camera (including affording it) and feel good about daily use as well as developing the shots; iq of a photo is first and foremost composition, and any feature of a camera that helps getting a good composition wins over that which only is used for boring shots, however sharp and free of ca they may be
I assume you are referring to the viewfinder advantage. I would love to have a very good one for my DP1 and DP2s, true. Nonetheless, I enjoy much, much better a photo taken with my DPx cameras in good light than with my GH1 (5D, D90) and its very good viewfinder. I agree with Zebra: IQ, to me, is first.

Enrique
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But the IQ must be the first priority in any camera, isn't that evident?
First priority is being able to use the camera (including affording it) and feel good about daily use as well as developing the shots; iq of a photo is first and foremost composition, and any feature of a camera that helps getting a good composition wins over that which only is used for boring shots, however sharp and free of ca they may be
I think when talking about image quality on this forum, everyone (except you) means technical image quality. Artistic quality is a different matter.
 
But the IQ must be the first priority in any camera, isn't that evident?
then go for something like A900/A850, good CFA filters w/ good color separation... you do not need to demosaic even, just do 4 -> 1 binning and get 6mp... oh... cost, weight, etc... it looks like usability/affordability stands in our way ?

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Yes, I do, here is another one:
another one is better, but the first one is plain ugly and totally oversharpened
Forget my photos, go to the web and have a look there; there are thousands of breathtakingly beautiful pics taken with litle compact Sigmas, dp1 and dp2 which are more compact than the x100 and with a smaller sensor and twice less expensive.

A new and well hyped camera when it appears in the market creates on the web an avalanche of new pics taken with it. Usually there are dozens and dozens of nice images with good IQ among them. The new x100 also has engendered an avalanche of new pics but there are no nice images with good IQ among them.

I wanted to buy the x100 as it has better tolerance to adverse light conditions than my Sigma has, so it is more universal and that is a good thing. But when I look through the pics taken with the x100 I cannot see anything that appeals to me and this is very strange.

It is strange because when you have to decide between two cameras and study the pics taken with both of them it is usually a very hard decision to take as the IQ in good light conditions at base ISO is very much the same and you have quite a few very nice images on both sides. Everybody has experience the same feeling as me, I'm sure. Very hard to decide judging by the IQ of the images taken in good light. Whereas all the pics taken with the x100 are decidedly plain.

I cannot understand that.

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Since Sigma does not indulge us with new models, I decided to buy the Fujifilm X100 to replace my DP1s.
Test album:
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/7762115674/albums/x100-test-drive
What do you think?
Well, i think the Test album is not a match of what the Foveon can do in terms of IQ @ low ISO and not fast moving subjects. And DP series seems to be smaller wich is a big plus if someone picks up a pocketable camera.

Maybe the X100 is much better and the test album does not show what the X100 is capable of.
 
First priority is being able to use the camera (including affording it) and feel good about daily use as well as developing the shots; iq of a photo is first and foremost composition, and any feature of a camera that helps getting a good composition wins over that which only is used for boring shots, however sharp and free of ca they may be
Nicely put. Without the shot, theres no IQ to be praised.... ;)
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I could be a much better photographer if i was out there taking pictures, instead of talking here at dpreview....
 
Well, Michael Reichmann whose main camera is a Phase One P65 so is used to rather higher technical quality than about 99.99999% of photographers, disagrees.

I recognise that without testing the thing yourself, other people's opinions are just that, but I have no reason to distrust what MR says in this kind of review. He liked it enough to buy one for himself.

Here's a selection:

" it's hard to find any fault with the X100's image quality, especially when combined with its mated lens, which is similarly first rate."

"I am familiar with the amazing low light capability of the Nikon D3, and I am confident that in terms of high ISO noise performance the X100 is close to it. ISOs up to 3200 is so relatively noise free that I wouldn't hesitate to use any speed, even for critical work. 3200 is very good, and even 6400 only needs a bit of clean up (especially in B&W) to be very usable. ISO 12,400 is an available boost setting, is noisy, and has some blotchiness but will be fine for photojournalists photographing black cats in coal mines."

"In reviewing what I've written above, you'll have noted that I am overtly critical of some aspects of the X100's user interface. Indeed it is because the camera is otherwise so good, and the image quality so exceptional, that its UI flaws are all the more glaring."

"Otherwise it's hard not to be excited about the X100. For serious photographers who value high image quality in combination with eye-level non-reflex viewing, this is a camera to cherish. The excellent build quality also helps to justify the relatively high price of the X100. I doubt that anyone with the wherewithal to purchase this camera and the interest in what it has to offer, will ever regret its purchase."

A personal view, yes, but so is yours. I suggest you just wait until a wider selection of sites publish their reviews and make images available.

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solsang wrote:
iq of a photo is first and foremost composition,

I think when talking about image quality on this forum, everyone (except you) means technical image quality. Artistic quality is a different matter.
My apologies for using the term for both technical and artistic quality, lacking a better abbreviation (aq?)
Henceforth i shall strive to use common words or meanings (if such exists)

Since the usefulness of my photos are based upon composition together with iq (technical), i see the total camera quality as a multiple of its picture iq and physical properties; when the camera helps make a good composition then the overall quality of the shots become much better!

My lumix has much lower technical iq than my dp2, yet i make the same amount of useful photos on both since the lx5 has a good layout, powerful settings with an ok chip and decent lens (nice wide zoom and very close focus)

A battery lasting 4 times longer is a truly good reason for making more good photos:)

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They seem too mushy, the texture is indistinct
Those photos are iso 200 and iso 320 respectively, sigma also makes noise on those,
Iso 200 is base ISO in the case of the Fuji 100x. Fuji's IQ doesn't come better than that. At base ISO there is no noise, no mushiness, worth talking about in the case of the Sigma DPx cameras.
I agree on base iso, yet these phots are taken with aperture 2.0 while the dp2 is using 2.8, getting a full stop less light, you need to compare with sigma using iso 400 and 640 respectively, which would be needed for making the same photos in these examples.
any feature of a camera that helps getting a good composition wins over that which only is used for boring shots, however sharp and free of ca they may be
I assume you are referring to the viewfinder advantage. I would love to have a very good one for my DP1 and DP2s, true. Nonetheless, I enjoy much, much better a photo taken with my DPx cameras in good light than with my GH1 (5D, D90) and its very good viewfinder.
I totally relish the amazing sigma photos, in good light they can be astounding; i have a voigtlander viewfinder which is a good help for making fast shots in human interactions which are pretty hard to nail with the monitor (the smile, the hand movement etc)

On a dslr the phaseshift focus allows for shooting animals and moving models, it also helps to have a menu or dedicated buttons to be able to change settings fast, or to try out different aspect ratios (as on the lx3/lx5) and of course use different lenses, plus of course create moving pictures when the sutuation is suitable;)

A very good thing about the dp cameras is the audio record setting, it is so fast to apply that sudden sounds or speech are perfectly possible to capture, and the dp2 timelapse recording is truly useful as well; i would love the camera even more if it only was shooting raw and dropped the video (making space for the missing dp1 auto or a custom setting)

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Collected knowledge for all users of dp1 and dp2 (including s and x)

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARddveJWxIl_ZGZuN3Y0ZG1fMTA1ZmRyOHNkaHE&hl=en_GB )
 
Yes, I do, here is another one:
another one is better, but the first one is plain ugly and totally oversharpened
Forget my photos, go to the web and have a look there; there are thousands of breathtakingly beautiful pics taken with litle compact Sigmas, dp1 and dp2 which are more compact than the x100 and with a smaller sensor and twice less expensive.
yes and at the same time there are tons of so-so photos from Foveon sensor... no sensor or lens or camera or combo can replace either the skills or sheer luck or both... so what is the issue exactly w/ X100 ? it has a decent APS-C sensor apparently from Sony, it has a decent lens and it is a cool and quite compact gadget/novelty - and that is the best selling factor... people like gadgets and many like that pseude retro style - there is nothing wrong w/ that... like it or not - DP-series lack gadget factor almost totally nowadays... give it several month and everything will be business as usual, hopefully the hype will shift to SD1

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Well, Michael Reichmann

"I am familiar with the amazing low light capability of the Nikon D3, and I am confident that in terms of high ISO noise performance the X100 is close to it. ISOs up to 3200 is so relatively noise free that I wouldn't hesitate to use any speed, even for critical work. 3200 is very good, and even 6400 only needs a bit of clean up (especially in B&W) to be very usable. ISO 12,400 is an available boost setting, is noisy, and has some blotchiness but will be fine for photojournalists photographing black cats in coal mines."
he does not need to waste the bandwidth on that BS... it is enough to write that Fuji X100 apparently used Sony sensor of Kx/Kr generations and there are plenty technical reviews and raw files available to see what those 12mp sensor can deliver...

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Well, Michael Reichmann whose main camera is a Phase One P65 so is used to rather higher technical quality than about 99.99999% of photographers, disagrees.

I recognise that without testing the thing yourself, other people's opinions are just that, but I have no reason to distrust what MR says in this kind of review.
I read his field test too.

But you must understand that it is difficult to make one not believe one's own eyes and believe what the other man says even if that man has a a Phase One P65 in his posession.

I can't have Mr. Reichman at my side every time when I shoot and look at the pics produced by my x100 and see that they are not at the IQ level I expect them to be so that he could persuade me into believing that they are. Even if I could when he goes I'll see them again mushy and plain with my own eyes.

I went to a hypnotist's show once, he managed to hypnotize everybody into believing that he had apples in his hands instead of potatoes, but I could see only potatoes in his hands.

So it won't do for me.

The more so that the material evidence that produces mr. Reichman in his field review to corroborate what he says are four or five pics of post stamp size which are artistically very nice but which can not confirm or refute the real IQ of the x100. Actually, if they had been taken with any ordinary and inexpensive point and shoot camera they would look exactly the same at that size.

So why all that trouble of having taken them at all?

Who was He who said: 'You shall not make for yourself an idol' ?

I'd add '...but rather believe your own eyes even if the Idol has a Phase One P65 in his hands!'

Potatoes are potatoes, what can I do?

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As I said, all reviews have to be taken on trust. MR used to pixel peeping type comparisons but generally no more. But I have always found his reviews pretty much on the money, with the exception of when he does a 5 minute evaluation at a show, where he has made one or two embarrassing howlers. But that's the risk you take at those kind of events. You'll never convince yourself without using the camera, I think.

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