X100 as a DP1s replacement.

carlos roncatti · Apr 2, 2011

image guy said:
Of course, your comments are valid but a bit irrational IMHO.

LOL....

image guy said:
From all I have read about the fuji, it seems to be a start in the right direction for a very good small camera and it would make most very happy after using smaller sensor cameras etc...but does not offer a attractive enough feature set at that price.

Here we agree...i do think the X100 is high priced...but then, so the DP2x....

Regards....

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My best regards,
Jeff

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SunsetMagnet · Apr 2, 2011

price is relative.....when comparing X100 vs X1 vs GXR + 28 mm A12 suddenly both GXR and X100 seems like a good price....
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zodiacfml · Apr 2, 2011

if it inspires you to take better and more pictures, then good.

my take on image stabilization, i quite agree that the DP needs one since it uses slower shutter speeds than Bayer cams. in my case, i usually use Shutter Priority on a DP2 so I could set it in 1/30 and very low ISO, so I can get a smaller aperture and get a wider DOF.

with this setup, i found that some images are blurry due to camera shake that i'm knowledgeable of and avoid, slightly faster shutter speeds quickly requires higher ISOs and bigger apertures.

Charles2 · Apr 2, 2011

Tulaev said:
...how much is a good 35 mm (equivalent) lens for the M8?
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The Zeiss Biogon 28mm/2.8 ZM would be your lens. (The ZM means it fits the Leica M-mount.)

exdeejjjaaaa · Apr 2, 2011

magneto shot said:
exdeejjjaaaa said:

magneto shot said:

First of all, X100, Dp2 and GXR have one common weakness, "no image stabilization".

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it depends on what/how he is shooting... I have Kx w/ and GH2/DP2 w/o - and I am not missing IS at all (I do not use OIS lenses or long primes on GH2) when I am using GH2 or DP2

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It helps a lot.

again, depens on what and how you are shooting... I for example prefer people mostly just casually posing for me... so I can't go below 1/60-1/40 w/o 'em having some body/head movements and I try not to go for less than 1/60... do you get the point ? IS is useless w/ my 20mm/1.7 or 24mm/2.8 lenses on GH2/DP2... now if we are talking for example about using something like Panasonic 45/2.8 for the same matter, there IS will be useful for the same 1/60 shot... but his lens is 23mm - good for people shots w/o IS in any light as people are not static objects, good for ...scapes in a daylight - and if he will go for nightscapes then tripod or monopod will be better in any case.

VadymA · Apr 2, 2011

Hey Zebra, I really enjoyed your passionate debate in favor of DP series on the X100 forum. Some very poetic writing in my opinion. I think you bring up the essence of DP cameras extremely well. To me, DPx is like a special carving tool for a wood master, it's not a swiss knife. Those who realize that, don't try to replace one with another.

maple · Apr 2, 2011

unless Sigma is coming up with a DP featuring built-in VF soon.
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Tulaev · Apr 3, 2011

About $1000 for Zeiss Biogon 28mm/2.8 ZM + $2000 for used M8. This is 2.5 times more expensive than а new X100.
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Charles2 · Apr 3, 2011

I found that lens for $710. My comparison was with reports of people paying up to twice the list price for an X100. Whatever you choose, happy shopping!

light_reaction · Apr 3, 2011

looks good - skintones etc.. I would buy one myself but 1000 Eur is a bit too much for my taste given that it has a normal bayer sensor and not the fuji custom type. With the sensor from the S3/S5, maybe 1-2 stops more sensitive, I would have bought it..
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Tulaev · Apr 3, 2011

I didn't pay twice the list price. And not to say that such a combination of uniquely better (M8+28mm). For example, in low light, it loses a couple of stops.
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Little-Stjarna · Apr 4, 2011

It would be interesting to compare the DP1 on the landscape scenes with one of the new cameras by Fuji or Sony. I sold my Sony NEX after trying to take a picture of the green trees - the colors were horrible. Olympus PEN also showed poor results in natural color reproduction.

exdeejjjaaaa · Apr 4, 2011

Little-Stjarna said:
It would be interesting to compare the DP1 on the landscape scenes with one of the new cameras by Fuji or Sony. I sold my Sony NEX after trying to take a picture of the green trees - the colors were horrible. Olympus PEN also showed poor results in natural color reproduction.

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Sandyramirez · Apr 4, 2011

SunsetMagnet said:
U will prob go thru the same cycle i have. First of all, X100, Dp2 and GXR have one common weakness, "no image stabilization". But the ISO usage on the GXR/X100 makes you jump for joy for all those images u could never capture handheld at moderate/low light.

Yeah definitely because Eugene Smith, HCB, Eisenstadt, et al. could never have produced their iconic imagery without IS/OIS/Technological Crutch because I am a lame photographer who never developed proper photographic technique...Oh sorry forgot All of them shot before IS was even frakkin' invented!!!!!

I hate when people just use this as an excuse as to why not to buy a camera....

Andrewteee · Apr 4, 2011

Little-Stjarna said:
It would be interesting to compare the DP1 on the landscape scenes with one of the new cameras by Fuji or Sony. I sold my Sony NEX after trying to take a picture of the green trees - the colors were horrible. Olympus PEN also showed poor results in natural color reproduction.

I entirely agree on the NEX. It's very hard for me to get decent color from the Sony. But I've found Olympus color very accurate, either with a Pen or the E5.

zebra328 · Apr 5, 2011

VadymA said:
Hey Zebra, I really enjoyed your passionate debate in favor of DP series on the X100 forum. Some very poetic writing in my opinion. I think you bring up the essence of DP cameras extremely well. To me, DPx is like a special carving tool for a wood master, it's not a swiss knife. Those who realize that, don't try to replace one with another.

Thanks for your kind comment, Vadim.

I raised up the same discussion on a Russian photographers' site:
http://club.foto.ru/forum/view_topic.php?topic_id=537982&mode=l&page=31
trying to suss out the truth about the Fuji x100 IQ at base ISO.

Nothing doing! The owners stubbornly go on praizing the X100 and showing lousy pics at the same time.

They haven't shown anything decent up to now! With all the hype that goes around the camera. I'm quite puzzled with this situation. It must be a State secret, the phenomenal image quality of the x100!

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exdeejjjaaaa · Apr 5, 2011

zebra328 said:
They haven't shown anything decent up to now!

Zebra, do you really think that your shot w/ some girl is any better than P&S ?

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solsang · Apr 5, 2011

Getting the details in hair and foilage without microsmudge while keeping the fine tonalities in skin and sky is impossible using a small-sensor camera; there will be compromises, and i like using my lx5 for a walkaround camera, yet for serious photos, i need sigma, it truly shows in print and upon close look, the more i have worked with photos, the more details get visible!

The examples i have seen from x100 looks promising, and i would be fine with using that instead, since the viewfinder is amazing and it works for low light, high iso is bayercountry...
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Figsbury · Apr 5, 2011

Luminous Landscape review of X100 choses to compare it with DP1 and Leica X1:

"The Sigma DP1, and its newer variations, at some $500 was the first of its ilk. The sensor is a bit smaller than APS-C, the camera uses a Foveon sensor and therefore doesn't have the resolution that most people want (no debates please), and it doesn't have a built-in optical viewfinder. Finally, the lens is a slow f/4, which helps with the camera's small size, but again doesn't quite fit with the brief of several alternative offerings."

I find this somewhat disingenuous as it would be just as valid to compare it with the DP2 - marginally closer in focal length and only one stop slower.

The review itself is a bit strange - both balanced in terms of identifying strengths and weaknesses while at the same time verging on fawning fanboy!

zebra328 · Apr 5, 2011

exdeejjjaaaa said:
Zebra, do you really think that your shot w/ some girl is any better than P&S ?

Yes, I do, here is another one:

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The Fuji guys haven't shown up to now anything close to it with their hyped x100 camera!
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