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Hey, Click, can't get anything past those watchful eyes, can I? I'm going to put it down to tired eyes, tired fingers, or greying grey matter...or all three. I should have said 9075.

I've grown to not only like, but trust, your observations, and I note several people have commented on having what, for lack of a better word, are strange or unexpected positive reactions to some of the '20's output.

And while I don't exactly share their reactions, I have one of my own that I haven't seen mentioned. I first noticed it in another poster's samples, and again in Jerry's excellent series. And that's the water. To my eye, it often looks 'painted,' unreal. The water in 9075 doesn't have that effect, but it too strikes me as quite unusual.

Jerry, if you get a chance, I'd love your reaction of the active grandchildren action potential. I'm not sure your comment about shutter lag vis a vis a DSLR is encouraging, but I don't take it as discouraging either.

I'm glad you're both part of the forum. It's a better place because of you.

Now to see if I can get back to sleep after being awakened by the dog being sick four hours after going to sleep...
MrClick said:
Tim39 said:
...then I came across the wood duck (9077) and thought "wow."...
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Hello Tim,

Were you by any chance referring to 9025 instead. I looked several times but could not find 9077.

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Tim, FZ18, F20
 
Just followed the link to your Amazon review, and found it so broad and helpful I was tempted to copy it and re-post here. I'm calling attention to it in hopes that others who might have overlooked it will read and benefit. Thanks again for all the great work.
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Tim, FZ18, F20
 
Thanks for taking the time to post your findings, helps us to build a picture of the HS20's capabilities.

Andrew
 
@Tim39:

My first grandchild is due in July, but I think if I can catch zigzagging birds at full zoom, you should be able to catch the grandkids. :) I think birds in flight will take some practice, but since I've seen HS10 shots of birds in flight, I know it can be done.
 
Thanks, I hope it is helpful. There's also newer review there that does a HS10 to HS20 comparison that may be helpful too.
Tim39 said:
Just followed the link to your Amazon review, and found it so broad and helpful I was tempted to copy it and re-post here. I'm calling attention to it in hopes that others who might have overlooked it will read and benefit. Thanks again for all the great work.
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Tim, FZ18, F20
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These were shot as straight JPEGs. I'm not comfortable enough with the Silkypix converter to get great results. I tried, but kept coming out with worse images than the JPEGs. I'm no stranger to RAW, but feel more at home with ACR.

Most of these were shot in Aperture Priority with Spot, or Center-weighted metering, but there's a few that are in EXR modes (mostly Dynamic Range because of the sun/shadow) as well. Sorry, I did not keep a record, but if there is a specific image, I can look at the original EXIF and image size and figure it out.

Also photo.net likes it's max image size to be 1500px per side, otherwise I'd just load the originals. That and the time for upload.

Cheers.
MrClick said:
To Beasly: Many thanks for posting these. They were of great help to me in analyzing the HS20's still shooting IQ straight out of the camera. Looking forward to some more low light examples.

Two questions:

1. Did you shoot all these as JPEGs straight out of the camera or RAW?

2. If JPEGS, to get the quality you did, what would be the most important settings to tweak in-camera? Plus, if there is any other practical advice, I'm interested in hearing from you.

To Paul:

That S100fs lens is a marvel, ain't it! One has to be careful when handling it... razor sharp!

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You're all welcome. This forum has helped educate me, so I don't mind giving back. - Jerry
aig said:
Thanks for taking the time to post your findings, helps us to build a picture of the HS20's capabilities.

Andrew
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Daniel Lowe said:
This photo is an excellent example of another 'trait' that is emerging out of the HS20. I know it sounds crazy, but the noise that is visible is actually quite 'attractive' as far as noise goes in an image.
Or am I just crazy?
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Looks quite like traditional film grain for ISO 1600 35mm film. Done right a photo can look very nice like that.
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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Beas62 said:
Feels good, and is very versatile. I'm getting used to the ability to use the pivoting display for ground level, or overhead shots. As a DSLR user, the thing really takes some getting used to is delay between pushing the button and shutter release.

This varies and sometimes is imperceptible, but depending on the scene, can be up to 1/2 second. That becomes an issue when tracking a moving object, especially animals. I found myself anticipating where the birds were going to be and leading by a few inches before I pressed the shutter button.
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Which is precisely what you would do shooting a 35 mm-SLR or even the HS10 for that matter. No matter how fast the shutter/focus speeds may be tracking to get the shot is a technique everyone should be able to do, especially if like me you like sports/action photography.

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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Beas62 said:
These were shot as straight JPEGs.
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Thanks for confirming this. You are a very good photographer who knows how to get the best out of his equipment while working within its limitations. Its great to have you on board with us at this point in time to assist us in forming our own conclusions about the HS20.

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Click

 
Wouldn't it be better to post 100% crops instead of having them resized down?

Doesn't seem it would be an accurate resp of the IQ with regards to sharpness or ISO grain when they're resized.
 
Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Water birds are difficult to shoot because most of the time they are in motion
Were all the photos in the gallery shot with the HS20EXR?
Did you use the EXR settings for any of them ?
Have you compared the jpeg to the raw ?
Beas62 said:
Here's some with the TC at full size with no post processing for anyone's analysis. I had noise reduction set to "Low" thinking it might preserve more detail. - - Jerry
arrow180 said:
Were the shots taken with or without the TC-E17ED teleconverter?
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Originals in gallery:
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9396827609/photos
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Ronald Nikon cp4500, tc-e2, canon tc-dc58n, Fuji S9000
 
...but note that the ISO comparisons were at 100% crop so they are accurate representations.
Beas62 said:
Yep, this was just a web host limitation as mentioned earlier in the thread. Find full sized ones here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=38129748
x2x3x2 said:
Wouldn't it be better to post 100% crops instead of having them resized down?

Doesn't seem it would be an accurate resp of the IQ with regards to sharpness or ISO grain when they're resized.
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You're welcome. All except the picture of the camera were shot with the HS20. A few were in EXR DR mode, but more were in Aperture Priority with default image settings. I briefly tried to process RAW with the included RAW converter, but was not very successful getting good IQ. I'll play more later, or wait until ACR supports HS20 RAW files. I'm having pretty good luck with the JPEGs for now.

Jerry Stevens provides a comparison in another thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=38120004
Ronald said:
Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Water birds are difficult to shoot because most of the time they are in motion
Were all the photos in the gallery shot with the HS20EXR?
Did you use the EXR settings for any of them ?
Have you compared the jpeg to the raw ?
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No doubt at all Ralph. But in an SLR, you don't momentarily loose your image in the viewfinder while you are tracking. That's a little disconcerting to me in the HS20, but I'll compensate. I guess I'm just a little spoiled on the WYSIWYG nature of a good DSLR. Cheers.
Ralph McKenzie said:
Which is precisely what you would do shooting a 35 mm-SLR or even the HS10 for that matter. No matter how fast the shutter/focus speeds may be tracking to get the shot is a technique everyone should be able to do, especially if like me you like sports/action photography.

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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
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Well, now that I'm a little better acquainted with the camera, I took it out for a full day at a local zoo. This time I post processed a handful, with some levels adjustment, sharpening and resizing in PS. For those who regularly post process, these are probably closer to what you would expect. I kept the NR set to Low.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1002615
Beas62 said:
I finally got some time to do some real world shooting at a local lake. I've uploaded un-modified shots other than batch resizing for the web site. Some of these would do well with a little post processing. I included mediocre shots and better shots just to give a realistic taste of the output. Scroll down until you see the ducks. Camera data is on the details tab.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1000968
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Beas62 said:
Well, now that I'm a little better acquainted with the camera, I took it out for a full day at a local zoo. This time I post processed a handful, with some levels adjustment, sharpening and resizing in PS. For those who regularly post process, these are probably closer to what you would expect. I kept the NR set to Low.

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1002615
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They look absolutely stunning! You really should start a new thread with those to do your work justice.

So were they all RAW files? did you use any EXR modes?
 
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