I got my G3...now what? Please help a newbie.

amr · Nov 19, 2002

I posted this in the Open Discussion Forum also. However, there seems to be more "traffic" here.

Thanks to this website I've learned a lot about photography. "A lot", compared to what I knew before finding this great site!

I received my G3 yesterday and am eager to start having fun. Obviously, I'll start with AUTO first, then learn my way into manual modes. However, I have a few questions:

1. Adobe 5.0 came with the camera. Is this a good software to use? Should I consider getting a different software? I've seen Breezebrowser and some others...are they better?

2. I'd like to eventually get a printer and am learning about them from this site, also. However, in the meanwhile how can I print pictures at Costco, Walmart, Ritz, etc...? Do I give them my memory card or something else?

3. How can a "card reader" help me in transferring pics to the computer? Is it faster or more stable than the camera? I have a laptop, is there something better to get (than a card reader)?

4. I've read that storing pics on my laptop will take a lot of space. And, that there is a device which can store pictures without using your hard drive. If there is such a device, what is it?

5. I'd like to start loading pictures on a website. Seems like the majority here use pbase. Any adv. or disadv. I should look for?

I can't think of anything else, right now. I guarantee I will have more questions, though!! I really appreciate any help, info, books, etc...that you think may be helpful. Thanks so much for your help!

Amr

Tarun Arya · Nov 19, 2002

amr said:
1. Adobe 5.0 came with the camera. Is this a good software to use?
Should I consider getting a different software? I've seen
Breezebrowser and some others...are they better?

Abobe 5.0 LE should be ok if you have no other editor. Else you can buy PS 7.0/6.0(if you have lots of money) or PS Elements ($50 at costco with mailin rebates and real good SW). Breezebrowser is a replacement of zoombrowser and much more. But it is not an editor. Try it out. It is worth the money.

amr said:
2. I'd like to eventually get a printer and am learning about them
from this site, also. However, in the meanwhile how can I print
pictures at Costco, Walmart, Ritz, etc...? Do I give them my memory
card or something else?

Do research on printer forum. Consider canon S900, S820, Epson 1280, Epson 2000 as these were the best till few months back. For getting it printed at costco walmart etc.. you may want to crop it to the aspect ratio of the final pic or else they will runa standard crop which could knock off the head rendering the pic useless. You may also want to do some post production e.g. leveling and sharpening. You can take the pics on CF cards or burn on a cd.

amr said:
3. How can a "card reader" help me in transferring pics to the
computer? Is it faster or more stable than the camera? I have a
laptop, is there something better to get (than a card reader)?

It is just another way to move pics from CF card to PC. For laptop you may want to get a PCMIA adapter. But card reader will be better if you also have a desktop.

amr said:
4. I've read that storing pics on my laptop will take a lot of
space. And, that there is a device which can store pictures without
using your hard drive. If there is such a device, what is it?

That's true. You can always burn on CD or get a USB hard drive. Other devices like image tank are for the purpose of taking on a trip so that u don't have to lug the laptop around with you. It holds a large amount of pics. Not usefull if you do not take a lot of pics.

amr said:
5. I'd like to start loading pictures on a website. Seems like the
majority here use pbase. Any adv. or disadv. I should look for?

Pbase is pretty good. Doen't allow avi files. Free.. though I do recommend becoming a supporter (good work by pbase should be rewarded for the resourses they put in).

Check out this beginners guide http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=2276317

Get some high capacity CF cards. A total of 500mb+ should be good enough for average use. Later can consider a 40ex flash if you take lots of pics requiring flash. Goog luck and happy snapping.

Tarun
--
-I am a pbase supporter-

Greg C. · Nov 19, 2002

amr said:
1. Adobe 5.0 came with the camera. Is this a good software to use?
Should I consider getting a different software? I've seen
Breezebrowser and some others...are they better?

I upraded to Photoshop Elements 2.0. Amazon has 2 rebates making the total cost $39. I think PS 5.0 LE will get you by. But most of the knowledge here is on more recent versions.

Breezebrowser is primarily used for converting RAW images. It does not support the G3, yet. If you are not working with RAW images, you don't need it. If you want to play with RAW, Canon includes a utility to covert them. JPEGS should be just fine for getting started.

amr said:
2. I'd like to eventually get a printer and am learning about them
from this site, also. However, in the meanwhile how can I print
pictures at Costco, Walmart, Ritz, etc...? Do I give them my memory
card or something else?

I had some shots printed at Walmart and was very impressed with the results. At .28 per, that's much cheaper and better than I can do at home. Be aware that your pictures will be cropped on the top and bottom. I crop them manaully before getting them printed. That way I get to decide where the crop is. To get them printed, I believe you can give them your card, but I prefer to burn them to CD. You can also upload them to thier website (Walmart)

amr said:
3. How can a "card reader" help me in transferring pics to the
computer? Is it faster or more stable than the camera? I have a
laptop, is there something better to get (than a card reader)?

If you use a USB 1.0 card reader, the speed will be the same. If your computer supports USB 2.0 or fireware, the speed can be faster. If you have a card reader, you won't have to plug your camera in to the computer. I doesn't bother me. If I ever get a card reader it will be for speed.

amr said:
4. I've read that storing pics on my laptop will take a lot of
space. And, that there is a device which can store pictures without
using your hard drive. If there is such a device, what is it?

The images will take up space where ever they are. There are devices like the image tank. But thier main function is to alow you to download your pictures to them freeing up space on your camera. If you don't have enough space on your harddrive you can archive the pictures to CD or DVD.

amr said:
5. I'd like to start loading pictures on a website. Seems like the
majority here use pbase. Any adv. or disadv. I should look for?

Pbase is good, and very user friendly. If you use it alot, consider becoming a PBase supporter.

--
Greg
G3 - 420EX

Ulysses · Nov 19, 2002

Just a few additional comments and thoughts.

Tarun Arya said:
Abobe 5.0 LE should be ok if you have no other editor. Else you can
buy PS 7.0/6.0(if you have lots of money) or PS Elements ($50 at
costco with mailin rebates and real good SW). Breezebrowser is a
replacement of zoombrowser and much more. But it is not an editor.
Try it out. It is worth the money.

I'm not familiar with any of the Canon software or other replacement software.

However, Photoshop Elements 2.0 (PSE2) is a great program, providing all the needs of most folks are going to need. It's a great value, too.

Tarun Arya said:
Do research on printer forum. Consider canon S900, S820, Epson
1280, Epson 2000 as these were the best till few months back. For
getting it printed at costco walmart etc.. you may want to crop it
to the aspect ratio of the final pic or else they will runa
standard crop which could knock off the head rendering the pic useless.

This is good to keep in mind for some pics, but not necessarily for all. I haven't run into a poor crop situation yet as I tend to leave a generous amount of space around my subjects anyway.

However, since weighing the pros and cons and the costs for my own usage, I can't help but recommend the Wal-Mart/Sam's Club/Costco route. The produce professional quality prints on Fuji's excellent photopaper via the Fuji Frontier printing system. If you have a photolab in your store, then you might also look for the Fuji Aladdin order system which allows you to just plug in your memory card or your CD-R/RW or DVD-R and choose the images you want, at the size you want.

In my area, the prices are absolutely incredible. There is no consumer inkjet currently available that will provide BOTH the quality and the low cost that you can get via Sam's Club or perhaps Costco. I won't be buying a printer for quite some time, now. I'm sure of it. Particularly if you have large batches to print, this is the way to go.

An inkjet photoprinter is okay for the occasional print. But then if it's only occasional, do you really want to pay $200 or more just for the printer before you even begin to add up the cost of consumables per print?

Tarun Arya said:
That's true. You can always burn on CD or get a USB hard drive.

Agreed. I was going to suggest a CD writer or DVD writer. But the new USB drives are nice, too. Have a look at one of these:
http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_20.html

Tarun Arya said:
Get some high capacity CF cards. A total of 500mb+ should be good
enough for average use. Later can consider a 40ex flash if you take
lots of pics requiring flash. Goog luck and happy snapping.

Excellent suggestions. I'm looking into the costs and speeds of memory right now. There are never any easy 'sure-thing' decisions here, are there?

--

Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

Ulysses · Nov 19, 2002

Hi there, Greg -

I have a number of questions and comments, below.

Greg Campbell said:
I upraded to Photoshop Elements 2.0. Amazon has 2 rebates making
the total cost $39. I think PS 5.0 LE will get you by. But most
of the knowledge here is on more recent versions.

Total agreement here. I got mine from Amazon months ago. The right coupon combinations yielded the upgrade for just about $31. Love it.

Greg C. said:
Breezebrowser is primarily used for converting RAW images. It does
not support the G3, yet. If you are not working with RAW images,
you don't need it. If you want to play with RAW, Canon includes a
utility to covert them. JPEGS should be just fine for getting
started.

Okay, so Breezebrowser is out of the question anyway.

Do you know if Adobe's new/upcoming RAW plug-in will work for PSE2 ?

So the only option for a G3 user at this time would be the included software? What is it called? And why do so many users NOT like it? Is it not configurable? Not user-friendly?

Greg C. said:
I had some shots printed at Walmart and was very impressed with the
results. At .28 per, that's much cheaper and better than I can do
at home. Be aware that your pictures will be cropped on the top and
bottom. I crop them manaully before getting them printed. That
way I get to decide where the crop is. To get them printed, I
believe you can give them your card, but I prefer to burn them to
CD. You can also upload them to thier website (Walmart)

If you think $0.29 is good to you, then you NEED to find a Sam's Club or a Costco. You'll be able to get your 4x6 prints at only $0.20. That's right, buddy. Take of 30% of the price because you'll now be printing 30% more pics.

I like the "crop it yourself" idea. I haven't had a problem yet as I leave a lot of space around my subjects. But if necessary, it's nice to know what will work.

Also, I give them a CD-RW. No problem reading it (I understand their PC systems connected to the Fuji Frontier photolabs generally use Plextor drives).

See if they have an Aladdin ordering system, a kiosk that connects directly to their Fuji Frontier and gives you a printed receipt for your order. Come back in an hour or so, and pick 'em up. Too easy! And much better quality in general than inkjet.

Greg C. said:
If you use a USB 1.0 card reader, the speed will be the same. If
your computer supports USB 2.0 or fireware, the speed can be
faster. If you have a card reader, you won't have to plug your
camera in to the computer. I doesn't bother me. If I ever get a
card reader it will be for speed.

I know this comes up all the time, but threads always seem to veer off-topic. Have you seen any good USB 2.0 multi-card readers? Thanks.

--

Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

Greg C. · Nov 19, 2002

Ulysses said:
Hi there, Greg -

Okay, so Breezebrowser is out of the question anyway.

Its expected that an updated version that supports the G3 will be available. I don't know when.

Member said:
Do you know if Adobe's new/upcoming RAW plug-in will work for PSE2 ?

I'm afraid I don't know. Here's hoping.

Member said:
So the only option for a G3 user at this time would be the included
software? What is it called? And why do so many users NOT like it?
Is it not configurable? Not user-friendly?

Yes that's correct. I've never used Breezebrower so I cannot give a comparison. I tried the Canon tool (can't recall the name) and found that it to be slow and limited. I didn't play with in much so there may be some things I could have done differently.

Member said:
If you think $0.29 is good to you, then you NEED to find a Sam's
Club or a Costco. You'll be able to get your 4x6 prints at only
$0.20.

Thanks for the tip. I had heard that Costco results were not as good as Walmarts. I'm not sure why, since its the same process. I'll check it out.

Member said:
I like the "crop it yourself" idea. I haven't had a problem yet as
I leave a lot of space around my subjects.

I take the use to reframe the pictures, some times changing the picture altogether.

Member said:
Also, I give them a CD-RW.

Same here. No sense in burning up a non-rewrittable CD.

Member said:
See if they have an Aladdin ordering system,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Member said:
I know this comes up all the time, but threads always seem to veer
off-topic. Have you seen any good USB 2.0 multi-card readers?

Sorry I have not been shoping for USB 2.0 as I do not have a computer with that capability. Since I already have a firewire card, I was going to get the Lexar firewire reader. But now I'll probalbly just wait until I get a new computer.

So, have you ordered that G3 yet?

--
Greg
G3 - 420EX

Peter Bennett · Nov 19, 2002

amr said:
1. Adobe 5.0 came with the camera. Is this a good software to use?
Should I consider getting a different software? I've seen
Breezebrowser and some others...are they better?

I have tried the shareware version of Breezebrowser as an alternative to Zoombrowser. I like it much better and will purchase the full version shortly. I have upgraded to the latest version of Zoombrowser, however for some reason it is still unstable. Breezebrowser is not editing software. I use both Corel Photo Paint 8 and Jasc Paint Shop Pro7.....even partly editing in one , then changing to the other.

amr said:
3. How can a "card reader" help me in transferring pics to the
computer? Is it faster or more stable than the camera? I have a
laptop, is there something better to get (than a card reader)?

I am very pleased with the results of my HP photosmart 1215...it has a card reader, but I downloa straight from the camera to the computer with the USB cable supplied with the camera.

amr said:
4. I've read that storing pics on my laptop will take a lot of
space. And, that there is a device which can store pictures without
using your hard drive. If there is such a device, what is it?

Once edited I store all photos on a rewriteable disc...you'll need a cd burner, but it is a very effective way of storing and cataloguing your pictures

amr said:
Hope this helps......

Regards,

Peter.

amr · Nov 19, 2002

Thanks soooo much for the replies! Well appreciated!

From what I've read, I'll use Costco for printing, store my pics on CD-RW's and upgrade to the PSE2.0 software.

BTW, I love the camera...it's beautiful and fun. Taken 10 pics so far, haven't had time after work to go out. Hopefully, this weekend I'll venture out.

Ulysses, would you hurry up and get the G3!!! ;-)

Amr

Ulysses · Nov 19, 2002

Greg -

Thank you for all of the input. I'm sure that I wouldn't be looking at RAW right away, but it's the kind of thing that interests me enough that I'd gravitate towards it as a user who would want to pull "more" out of the images.

Greg Campbell said:
Thanks for the tip. I had heard that Costco results were not as
good as Walmarts. I'm not sure why, since its the same process.
I'll check it out.

If Costco is using a Fuji Frontier 370 or 390 system or higher, then I'd expect that quality in general would be the same. However, I can see individual machines being calibrated slightly differently. It's possible. But check out your area. Find out who has the Frontier system, and then load 'em up! Compare results with the same batch of images from each photolab. Then choose your favorite and get all your developing done there.

Greg C. said:
So, have you ordered that G3 yet?

You know... I keep getting people ask me that. :-]

--

Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

Ulysses · Nov 19, 2002

amr said:
Ulysses, would you hurry up and get the G3!!! ;-)

What the world!?! ;-)

--

Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

Frank55552 · Nov 20, 2002

Ulysses said:
If Costco is using a Fuji Frontier 370 or 390 system or higher,
then I'd expect that quality in general would be the same. However,
I can see individual machines being calibrated slightly
differently. It's possible. But check out your area. Find out who
has the Frontier system, and then load 'em up! Compare results with
the same batch of images from each photolab. Then choose your
favorite and get all your developing done there.

You may want to look at http://www.drycreekphoto.com/ to handle this the right way.

Frank

Greg C. · Nov 20, 2002

Frank said:
You may want to look at http://www.drycreekphoto.com/ to handle
this the right way.

I spent an hour a couple nights ago trying to get a Drycreek profile for my local Walmart to work with PSE 2.0. It turns out you cannot use ICC profiles for saving files on PSE 2.0. However it does work for local printing.

--
Greg
G3 - 420EX

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

amr said:
I received my G3 yesterday and am eager to start having fun.
Obviously, I'll start with AUTO first, then learn my way into
manual modes. However, I have a few questions:

1. Adobe 5.0 came with the camera. Is this a good software to use?
Should I consider getting a different software? I've seen
Breezebrowser and some others...are they better?

For viewing, browsing, and organizing images, I think ACDSee is the best by far. It's fast, easy to use, elegant, flexible, and versatile. I have not seen any competing product that can hold a candle to it, although some others may have a feature here or there that ACDSee may lack. You may have to wait a little bit for them to add support for the new G3's RAW format, though, but you can use Canon's software for that.

Adobe Photoshop is the best image editing software on the market, but 1) it's not easy to sue for a beginner, 2) the version included with the camera is 5.0 and the current version is 7.0, and the version with the camera is "LE" which means some features are missing from the full product (don't know which.)

If you find Photoshop daunting, I recommend Photoshop Elements 2.0. It has most of Photoshop 7's features, plus many extra features designed especially for beginners. There are other packages that may be easier to use, but I think this is teh way to go if you're serious about photo editing and might migrate to the full version later on.

amr said:
2. I'd like to eventually get a printer and am learning about them
from this site, also.

Canon, Epson, or HP. Stay away from everything else. HP's advantage is that it is a better "all-around" printer with fewer hassles. But the latest Canon and Epson printers really have photo quality that is unmatched by HP, and some new Canons are also much faster than the latest HPs, so I'm leasning towards a high-end Canon printer.

amr said:
However, in the meanwhile how can I print
pictures at Costco, Walmart, Ritz, etc...? Do I give them my memory
card or something else?

Can't comment on that, as I haven't done it.

amr said:
3. How can a "card reader" help me in transferring pics to the
computer? Is it faster or more stable than the camera? I have a
laptop, is there something better to get (than a card reader)?

A card reaser should be faster than the camera, and it also lets you transfer pictures without worrying about the draining the camera's battery or having to set up its power cable. If you have a laptop, the best solution I think is a PCMCIA card reader (so you can use it with the notebook without cables) plus a USB card reader for your desktop that accepts PCMCIA cards. But you can get away with just the USB reader alone if you don't mind carrying it with your notebook.

amr said:
4. I've read that storing pics on my laptop will take a lot of
space. And, that there is a device which can store pictures without
using your hard drive. If there is such a device, what is it?

OK, my next advice falls under the "do as I say and not as I do" category.

You should burn all your images on CD-ROM or else one day you could lose them all if your hard drive fails.

Now aside from that, how much space they take up depends on how many pictures you take and how much hard disk space you are willing to spare. If each image takes up 1.5-2.0 MB in jpg mode and you take anywhere from 50-150 shots at a time, you can see how that could gobble up disk space quickly. Personally, I really like the luxury of browsing through all my pictures without fumbling with CDs, so I do keep copies of all of them on my desktop's hard drive. But then again, I have a second 40GB hard drive installed just for pictures, video, and music, and you probably don't have that luxury on your notebook.

You can also get a portable standalone hard drive to temporarily store (and maybe view) your pics, but thees are expensive, fragile, and have very poor battery life.

amr said:
5. I'd like to start loading pictures on a website. Seems like the
majority here use pbase. Any adv. or disadv. I should look for?

Pbase is great because it's easy to use, advertising free, and free of charge. Unfortunately, the party won't last forever, and the owners have already warned that they plan to charge in the future. You might consider using your own web space provided by your ISP, but that means you will have to format the photos manually. But there re programs that can do that for you, including ACDSee.

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

Ulysses said:
In my area, the prices are absolutely incredible. There is no
consumer inkjet currently available that will provide BOTH the
quality and the low cost that you can get via Sam's Club or perhaps
Costco.

For small prints perhaps, but I don't think you can get 8X10s from a shop as cheap as printing them at home. Personally, I don't usually make small prints anymore. I choose my best pictures and print them out at 8X10 and keep them in a binder. Of course, this is too expensive for sharing with friends or if you insts on printing lots of pictures.

Member said:
An inkjet photoprinter is okay for the occasional print. But then
if it's only occasional, do you really want to pay $200 or more
just for the printer before you even begin to add up the cost of
consumables per print?

You need a printer for other purposes anyway, and even $200 models create very nice photos.

Member said:
Member said:

That's true. You can always burn on CD or get a USB hard drive.

Click to expand...

Agreed. I was going to suggest a CD writer or DVD writer. But the
new USB drives are nice, too. Have a look at one of these:
http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_20.html

I would not store anything permanently on any sort of hard drive technology. It will eventually fail and you will hate yourself. Burn everything on CDs. You can keep copies on a hard drive for convenient viewing.

Member said:
Member said:

Get some high capacity CF cards. A total of 500mb+ should be good
enough for average use. Later can consider a 40ex flash if you take
lots of pics requiring flash. Goog luck and happy snapping.

Click to expand...

Excellent suggestions. I'm looking into the costs and speeds of
memory right now. There are never any easy 'sure-thing' decisions
here, are there?

Yes, a 32MB CF card is useless. Get a 512MB at least. Or consider a MicroDrive.

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

Ulysses said:
Okay, so Breezebrowser is out of the question anyway.

Do you know if Adobe's new/upcoming RAW plug-in will work for PSE2 ?

So the only option for a G3 user at this time would be the included
software? What is it called? And why do so many users NOT like it?
Is it not configurable? Not user-friendly?

Included software is always limited in features and sophistication. The included software is no match fro a brower/viewer/organizer like ACDSee, or an editor like Photoshop.

Member said:
Member said:

I had some shots printed at Walmart and was very impressed with the
results. At .28 per, that's much cheaper and better than I can do
at home. Be aware that your pictures will be cropped on the top and
bottom. I crop them manaully before getting them printed. That
way I get to decide where the crop is. To get them printed, I
believe you can give them your card, but I prefer to burn them to
CD. You can also upload them to thier website (Walmart)

Click to expand...

If you think $0.29 is good to you, then you NEED to find a Sam's
Club or a Costco. You'll be able to get your 4x6 prints at only
$0.20. That's right, buddy. Take of 30% of the price because you'll
now be printing 30% more pics.

Is it my imagination or are you a thrifty guy, Ulysses? :-D

Member said:
Member said:

If you use a USB 1.0 card reader, the speed will be the same. If
your computer supports USB 2.0 or fireware, the speed can be
faster. If you have a card reader, you won't have to plug your
camera in to the computer. I doesn't bother me. If I ever get a
card reader it will be for speed.

Click to expand...

I know this comes up all the time, but threads always seem to veer
off-topic. Have you seen any good USB 2.0 multi-card readers?

Long ago, I purchased a SIIG USB card reader. It can read PC cards and some other format (smartmedia I think.) But the reader also included a PC Card adapter that allows use with CF cards. Also, I have a PC card Sony Memory Stick reader, and I use it both on notebooks and on my USB card reader. THey now have readers that can handle virtually every type of card on the market, many in faster USB 2 and FireWire versions.

I've been satisfied with SIIG, so you might want to check out their website.
and see their latest models. Go to

http://siig.com/products/usb/index.html

and scroll down to Card Readers.

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

Greg Campbell said:
Ulysses said:

Hi there, Greg -

Okay, so Breezebrowser is out of the question anyway.

Click to expand...

Its expected that an updated version that supports the G3 will be
available. I don't know when.

ACDSee is working on one.

Greg C. said:
Greg C. said:

So the only option for a G3 user at this time would be the included
software? What is it called? And why do so many users NOT like it?
Is it not configurable? Not user-friendly?

Click to expand...

Yes that's correct. I've never used Breezebrower so I cannot give a
comparison. I tried the Canon tool (can't recall the name) and
found that it to be slow and limited. I didn't play with in much
so there may be some things I could have done differently.

TGhe only reason you need the Canon software is if you don't have a card reader or if you need to read RAW files right now, before other software is updated to support the new format.

Greg C. said:
Sorry I have not been shoping for USB 2.0 as I do not have a
computer with that capability. Since I already have a firewire
card, I was going to get the Lexar firewire reader.

The catch with that is that most people don't have firewire, so you likely won't be able to download images to another computer in a pinch. This is why I think USB oe USB 2 are better. And remember that USB 2.0 is backward compatible, and that eventually all Windows PCs will support it directly.

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

amr said:
Thanks soooo much for the replies! Well appreciated!

From what I've read, I'll use Costco for printing, store my pics on
CD-RW's

Not sure, but I think CD-Rs are more reliable, long-term, than CD-RW discs. Remember that you are archiving these images forever, so there's no need for a rewritable disc, which costs more than non-rewritable discs anyway. Use a CD-RW for giving the files to Costco or Walmart but store the originals on CD-R discs because they're safer and cheaper.

Walter001 · Nov 20, 2002

Ulysses said:
amr said:

Ulysses, would you hurry up and get the G3!!! ;-)

Click to expand...

What the world!?! ;-)

Don;t feel bad, Ulysses... Business is slow and it'll be a while before I can get the G3 too. So I can keep you company while you wait. Hopefully it will be before the G4 is released.

Ulysses · Nov 20, 2002

Walter001 said:
For small prints perhaps, but I don't think you can get 8X10s from
a shop as cheap as printing them at home. Personally, I don't
usually make small prints anymore. I choose my best pictures and
print them out at 8X10 and keep them in a binder. Of course, this
is too expensive for sharing with friends or if you insts on
printing lots of pictures.

When you say cheaper in terms of printing at home, are you talking about the CIS systems, with third-party inks? That's just not a route I'm willing to go.

But when you can get from Sam's Club an 8x10 price at $1.96, then that's just not bad at all. And keep in mind we're not talking about spot coverage, the way that these prices are often measured in the magazine reports. Full page 8x10 prints. Plus factor in the price of the printer itself.

I like your method of printing and keeping them in a binder. I've been trying to maintain a portfolio of prints, and I may do something like that myself with larger prints as well. Just haven't kept any for myself. Mistake, in retrospect. :-

Walter001 said:
You need a printer for other purposes anyway, and even $200 models
create very nice photos.

They're okay. I'm just not seeing the same sort of overall quality, though, from inkjets. Microbanding, dithering, paper problems. Uggghhhh...

I used to be all over inkjets. Really got excited about them. But not so much anymore since getting Fuji Frontier prints. Printing from inkjets for me has almost been like going back to a film camera: You keep printing and recalibrating and reprinting because you don't know what you're going to get, color isn't on, banding here or there, out of ink over here...

Walter001 said:
I would not store anything permanently on any sort of hard drive
technology. It will eventually fail and you will hate yourself.
Burn everything on CDs. You can keep copies on a hard drive for
convenient viewing.

No, those drives aren't meant to be permanent, as far as I can tell. If you want to archive, you really archive and make sure they can't be overwritten.

The USB drives are just alternate storage.

Walter001 said:
Yes, a 32MB CF card is useless. Get a 512MB at least. Or consider a
MicroDrive.

What's your feeling on the Microdrive? It certainly is a great value.

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Ulysses · Nov 20, 2002

Frank -

Yep, I've been there. And when I get just a few other things worked out, I'm going to be looking more closely at profiling the photolab at my local Sam's Club. Ought to be fun when I have the time to spend on it.

Thanks for the reminder.

Frank said:
You may want to look at http://www.drycreekphoto.com/ to handle
this the right way.

Frank

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