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Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson 1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul

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Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul
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If you run the native sRGB file right from the camera and do nothing else in PS to enhance the images they will be muted and washed out looking on that paper with the printer set in auto and that paper selected.

Try this:

Set PS to convert to Adobe RGB ( 1998). You do this by going to edit and then color settings. Set working space to Adobe RGB ( 1998), the box above may have to be checked and the window above that I have set as custom ( because of a colorlife profile I have, not that this is of concern to you). Next is Color Management Policies, here you want to use RGB , not CMYK for an inkjet printer, also go down the list and click up Convert To Working RGB, set the other two windows to off. Next box up is Conversion Options, set Adobe Ace and Perceptual.

From here you should get a decent print but you may very well also have to work a bit with the image, sometimes just a simple auto contrast can help, or a slight slide of levels. I also have actions set up in PS for some of this kind of correcting, so I can do a batch process.

Now when you go to print, Click on file, then print. The Epson box will come up, make sure same as source is set and adove RGB is set at that box then click Setup and set your paper size and orientation ( portrait or landscape) and click Properties. In the Properties box, set the paper type you are using ( HWM), then click Custom, then Advanced. In the advanced box, set Color Control, then Automatic,you want microweave On, high speed Off, smooth edge On and 1440 dpi.

From here OK your way back out and click the final OK to print. I hope you are pleasantly surprised !

David Grabowski
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Thanks David

I'm reaching for the HWM as I type!

Rgds

Paul
David Grabowski said:
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul
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If you run the native sRGB file right from the camera and do
nothing else in PS to enhance the images they will be muted and
washed out looking on that paper with the printer set in auto and
that paper selected.

Try this:

Set PS to convert to Adobe RGB ( 1998). You do this by going to
edit and then color settings. Set working space to Adobe RGB (
1998), the box above may have to be checked and the window above
that I have set as custom ( because of a colorlife profile I have,
not that this is of concern to you). Next is Color Management
Policies, here you want to use RGB , not CMYK for an inkjet
printer, also go down the list and click up Convert To Working RGB,
set the other two windows to off. Next box up is Conversion
Options, set Adobe Ace and Perceptual.

From here you should get a decent print but you may very well also
have to work a bit with the image, sometimes just a simple auto
contrast can help, or a slight slide of levels. I also have actions
set up in PS for some of this kind of correcting, so I can do a
batch process.

Now when you go to print, Click on file, then print. The Epson box
will come up, make sure same as source is set and adove RGB is set
at that box then click Setup and set your paper size and
orientation ( portrait or landscape) and click Properties. In the
Properties box, set the paper type you are using ( HWM), then click
Custom, then Advanced. In the advanced box, set Color Control, then
Automatic,you want microweave On, high speed Off, smooth edge On
and 1440 dpi.

From here OK your way back out and click the final OK to print. I
hope you are pleasantly surprised !

David Grabowski
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Hi again David

Still no luck with this I'm afraid. I checked back through my tests this morning and found I had tried the combination you suggested. I tried it again though!

The print I get is way out. The best I can do is to use the sliders to adjust magenta -15, yellow -5 and then add some cyan.

I'm now trying a target print with grey scale and full range of colour tones.

Rgds

Paul
David Grabowski said:
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul
Click to expand...
If you run the native sRGB file right from the camera and do
nothing else in PS to enhance the images they will be muted and
washed out looking on that paper with the printer set in auto and
that paper selected.

Try this:

Set PS to convert to Adobe RGB ( 1998). You do this by going to
edit and then color settings. Set working space to Adobe RGB (
1998), the box above may have to be checked and the window above
that I have set as custom ( because of a colorlife profile I have,
not that this is of concern to you). Next is Color Management
Policies, here you want to use RGB , not CMYK for an inkjet
printer, also go down the list and click up Convert To Working RGB,
set the other two windows to off. Next box up is Conversion
Options, set Adobe Ace and Perceptual.

From here you should get a decent print but you may very well also
have to work a bit with the image, sometimes just a simple auto
contrast can help, or a slight slide of levels. I also have actions
set up in PS for some of this kind of correcting, so I can do a
batch process.

Now when you go to print, Click on file, then print. The Epson box
will come up, make sure same as source is set and adove RGB is set
at that box then click Setup and set your paper size and
orientation ( portrait or landscape) and click Properties. In the
Properties box, set the paper type you are using ( HWM), then click
Custom, then Advanced. In the advanced box, set Color Control, then
Automatic,you want microweave On, high speed Off, smooth edge On
and 1440 dpi.

From here OK your way back out and click the final OK to print. I
hope you are pleasantly surprised !

David Grabowski
David Grabowski said:
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Paul Taverner said:
Hi again David

Still no luck with this I'm afraid. I checked back through my
tests this morning and found I had tried the combination you
suggested. I tried it again though!

The print I get is way out. The best I can do is to use the
sliders to adjust magenta -15, yellow -5 and then add some cyan.

I'm now trying a target print with grey scale and full range of
colour tones.

Rgds

Paul
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Paul,

Before you go too far with sliders, are you sure you have good ink flow? I've gotten bad results when my printer was new with the original ink cartridges and epson said to run a cleaning cycle,even though my test pattern was fine and indicated not needing a cleaning. The cleaning cycle purged the orignal catridges and head, the colors and saturation came right in line.

Also, whenever my color cartridge starts to look a bit low, I can plan on a big shift in color that all the sliders in the world won't correct for.

Sorry my other post was of no help !
David
Paul Taverner said:
David Grabowski said:
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul
Click to expand...
If you run the native sRGB file right from the camera and do
nothing else in PS to enhance the images they will be muted and
washed out looking on that paper with the printer set in auto and
that paper selected.

Try this:

Set PS to convert to Adobe RGB ( 1998). You do this by going to
edit and then color settings. Set working space to Adobe RGB (
1998), the box above may have to be checked and the window above
that I have set as custom ( because of a colorlife profile I have,
not that this is of concern to you). Next is Color Management
Policies, here you want to use RGB , not CMYK for an inkjet
printer, also go down the list and click up Convert To Working RGB,
set the other two windows to off. Next box up is Conversion
Options, set Adobe Ace and Perceptual.

From here you should get a decent print but you may very well also
have to work a bit with the image, sometimes just a simple auto
contrast can help, or a slight slide of levels. I also have actions
set up in PS for some of this kind of correcting, so I can do a
batch process.

Now when you go to print, Click on file, then print. The Epson box
will come up, make sure same as source is set and adove RGB is set
at that box then click Setup and set your paper size and
orientation ( portrait or landscape) and click Properties. In the
Properties box, set the paper type you are using ( HWM), then click
Custom, then Advanced. In the advanced box, set Color Control, then
Automatic,you want microweave On, high speed Off, smooth edge On
and 1440 dpi.

From here OK your way back out and click the final OK to print. I
hope you are pleasantly surprised !

David Grabowski
Paul Taverner said:
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David Grabowski said:
Before you go too far with sliders, are you sure you have good ink
flow? I've gotten bad results when my printer was new with the
original ink cartridges and epson said to run a cleaning cycle,even
though my test pattern was fine and indicated not needing a
cleaning. The cleaning cycle purged the orignal catridges and head,
the colors and saturation came right in line.

Also, whenever my color cartridge starts to look a bit low, I can
plan on a big shift in color that all the sliders in the world
won't correct for.

Sorry my other post was of no help !
David
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On the contrary David. Your post is most helpful as it gives me a good idea of what others are using and what I should be expecting from mine.

The odd thing is that I get good results with Colorlife paper following a soft proofing technique described by Iain Lyons. However this same trick is way out when used with the HWM profiles.

I am however getting good HWM results with black and white images. Interestingly, I can't get good BW prints on the Colorlife!

Perhaps I ought to stick with the two papers for the two print types. It's a bit annoying though. I thought the whole idea of media/printer profiles was to ensure accurate colour rendering.

Checked the nozzles by the way. All clear and ink tanks still half full (or already half empty, depending on your point of view).

Thanks again. Any other brain waves gratefully received.

Paul
 
This is such a quagmire for so many that I hate to say that I've had almost no problems with the types of printing that you are discussing.

I'm not sure if anyone else suggested the obvious: make sure your monitor is adequately calibrated. If you are way beyond this, I apollogize, but among my friends, it's the most common source of color-matching error I've heard of.

If you are having trouble printing B&W on colrlife, have you tried the process described in the info that now comes with the paper (or is avaiable on the EPSON wbsite) that makes specific recommendations about driver settings, slider settings, etc. In some cases the settings vary depending on the specific driver you have installed and whether Colorlife choices exist in it or not. I'm quite pleased with the B&W's I'm printing on colorlife.

HWM printing should not be a problem. I'd follow the suggestions for PS set up that Ion Lyons has online.

Checking the nozzles, etc. make sense as well. I've gotten some very odd effects when the carts have either been idle for a long time or are nearly empty. A viscosity issue I assume.

Anyway, hope you get to where these amazing machines should get you.
 
I have resolved that mistery! Here is what you do:

1. In PS go to 'Color setting' (in Edit menu) and set "color management off".

2. To your image assign the 'Epson Stylus 1290/80' profile using the Mode-assign profile command. Do not assign the HWM profile, trust me.

3. In PS print dialog box, as the Print space choose 'Epson stylus 1290/80'.

4. Hit print. Choose your paper and other settings as needed. Select 'Automatic'. Print

This is the only way I can get good print consistently with HWM or any other paper. My print match the print preview perfectly and the monitor when soft-proofing with windows RGB.

Francisco
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul

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Francisco
 
Hi Francisco

Thanks for the settings..... I'll give them a go next time I'm at home in daylight!

Rgds

Paul
Francisco Pichardo said:
1. In PS go to 'Color setting' (in Edit menu) and set "color
management off".
2. To your image assign the 'Epson Stylus 1290/80' profile using
the Mode-assign profile command. Do not assign the HWM profile,
trust me.

3. In PS print dialog box, as the Print space choose 'Epson stylus
1290/80'.

4. Hit print. Choose your paper and other settings as needed.
Select 'Automatic'. Print

This is the only way I can get good print consistently with HWM or
any other paper. My print match the print preview perfectly and the
monitor when soft-proofing with windows RGB.

Francisco
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul

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Francisco
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Francisco.... Can I just check one thing.. You use Windows RGB for softproofing and not the HWM profile. Is that correct?

Paul
Paul Taverner said:
Thanks for the settings..... I'll give them a go next time I'm at
home in daylight!

Rgds

Paul
Francisco Pichardo said:
1. In PS go to 'Color setting' (in Edit menu) and set "color
management off".
2. To your image assign the 'Epson Stylus 1290/80' profile using
the Mode-assign profile command. Do not assign the HWM profile,
trust me.

3. In PS print dialog box, as the Print space choose 'Epson stylus
1290/80'.

4. Hit print. Choose your paper and other settings as needed.
Select 'Automatic'. Print

This is the only way I can get good print consistently with HWM or
any other paper. My print match the print preview perfectly and the
monitor when soft-proofing with windows RGB.

Francisco
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul

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Paul,

I have an Epson 1200 and PS7. I gave up trying to color match. Instead I bought Qimage Pro and plot .psd files directly. Perfect color match by just using the defaults. Qimage also allows you to make additional adjustments just for printing. It also does a much better job handling the 13"x19" paper in terms of centering, sizing etc.
http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/
Charles
Paul Taverner said:
Hi All

Before I have a screaming fit, has anyone got a successful way of
printing from PS to Epson Heavyweight Matte paper on an Epson
1290/80?

I have the HWM profile set as the PS print space and set it as the
media type in the Epson print dialog....... Colours are awful!

Do I really have to individually adjust the cymk components at the
printer end?.....................aaaaaargh!

Yours in desparation and using a PC not a Mac (so no colorsync)

Paul

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