finally took the plunge on E-pl2

After reading everything under the sun (including red dots) on this camera, I finally ordered on today. I am moving up from a point & shoot (canon & panasonic) and I don't think I am ready for a full DSLR set-up considering costs and portability (chasing three young kids around). Any recommendations on accessories that I may need? I will mostly be following my kids around and snapping them. I ordered the two lens kit.
Thanks!

Congrats.

I personally would have a second battery, but only if you are going on vacation or a weekend get a way. It can't hurt either way to have one ready.

I would get a protective filter for each lens and a micro fiber cloth like the ones used to clean eyeglass.

I would consider an external flash, but only if what you have is not helping. For posed shots yes, an more powerful flash is great for many things. Take your camera to a museum for example where a built in flash is not doing the trick.

If all you are doing is just a grab and go take the shot in the moment then other than a camera bag and IMO protective filter clear multi-coated filter and maybe an LCD screen protector (I hate finger prints and oily residue) thats all.

I forgot the SDHC card. Two 8 gb cards would be a good start so you can download and keep shooting.

Also, Photoshop elements to edit or something like that $100 program. Backup desktop hard drive on the list down the line. Photo printer like an Epson photo XYZ printer. If all you are doing is 4x6 prints the Epson picture mate is great and you don't have to have the computer attached (prints a bit slower though)

readyaimshoot said:

After reading everything under the sun (including red dots) on this camera, I finally ordered on today. I am moving up from a point & shoot (canon & panasonic) and I don't think I am ready for a full DSLR set-up considering costs and portability (chasing three young kids around). Any recommendations on accessories that I may need? I will mostly be following my kids around and snapping them. I ordered the two lens kit.
Thanks!

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Thanks, that all sounds like sound advice. Do you have a good place you like to get the lens filters? I don't have the camera yet, not sure what sizes I need. Also, am I better off with another Olympus battery or a third party?
I hate prints on the lcd as well, I will definitely slap something on the back.
Thanks again, looking forward to getting my hands on the camera.

Be very careful with those filters. The cheap ones will increase flare and degrade images. Even then, pros don't use them for a reason. For kit lenses, they are not really necessary. In 35 years of shooting, I have never scratched a front element.

thanks for the heads up. When I get the camera, I 'll run around with the camera a little first before I dive into filters.

You'll enjoy the PL2. I'm having a great time with mine.

Try out the creative filters in the creative mode and shoot with RAW+JPG so that you can play with the RAW images in the Viewer2 software that comes with the camera. You'll learn a-lot about digital imaging when playing with the myriad options in the RAW processing. I don't think you need to purchase Photoshop LE. Between the included software, Picasa3 and Gimp software you can do just about any amateur post image manipulation you need.

I would avoid front filters that are left on all the time unless your shooting at the beach (ocean spray). I do recommend getting a good polarizing filter (non-circular). You can do fun things with a polarizer that you can't accomplish with post processing plus it can act as a neutral density filter when the need arises. The kit lens uses a 37mm filter size.

If this is your first interchangeable lens camera you will need a strong bulb-blower to blow dust off the sensor and the back side of lenses. I don't recommend canned air.

Other than that play with the menu's. There are soooo many options in the Olympus PL2 menus it's unreal.

Oh and see how many red dots you can get in a single image... I think I'm going to start a red dot challenge.

I'm not trying to turn this into a filter v no filter debate, just trying to advise you on what I think suits you-- a parent of 3 young kids.

If you do lots of activities with them like outdoor, sports or just anything messy (craft/baking) and you want to use your EPL2 to record this, then I would:

1) read the manual (like, really read it) & understand your camera's functions that relate to you & know it well (e.g. shooting decent kids' soccer or baseball, whatever they play)

2) protect your camera -- so:

(a) decent protective camera bag or one of those ready to shoot cases (lots on the net -- I just got one)
(b) always have a ziplock bag handy -- rain / beach / condensation

(c) filter -- whether it's $5 or $50, it's to protect the lens (think of those "oops I didn't mean to" splashes and snow balls)

3) develop your own workflow after shooting so that your pictures become rewarding -- this includes, back-up, post processing, and then putting into a format you can best enjoy (e.g. prints, photobook, video slideshow, etc) and have easy access to them. I have begun to make video slideshows of big events like family holidays on my computer which can be accessed via home network on my livehub to watch on my HDTV -- think big screen, HD, home theatre experience and open access for whole family)

Of course: keep your camera always with you and take as many shots as you can!

I have 3 kids myself and they really grow up so (too) fast ... I only wished I had done serious family photography EARLIER: I was stuck at point & shoot for way too long.

I think you will enjoy the E-pl2. I also upgraded from a P&S and have been having a lot of fun even with red dots. The art filters have been a pleasent surprise.

Thanks for the advice. The last point & shoot I bought was a Panasonic waterproof/shockproof/oopsproof one for the various reasons you listed. I will definitely look into some "protective" accessories. With soccer and baseball season around the corner I will read up on the manual as you suggested. Is there a case you recommend? Also, do you use a wrist strap with the EPL2 or a neck strap? I have no idea where to begin to look for some of this stuff (including lens filters), so if you have any favorite websites, that would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

Hi

1) Case:
I bought this one off the internet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-Olympus-Pen-E-P1-E-P2-E-PL1-EP1-black-/160450259299? pt=US_Camera_Cases_Bags&hash=item255b94a963#ht_4103wt_931

If that link doesn't work, key in "Leather Case for Olympus Pen E-P1 E-P2 E-PL1 EP1 black" in the search in ebay. It's made by Oprima. First time I bought from them -- shipping was pretty fast considering it came from China (about 10 days including weekend) -- not real leather but didn't expect it to be for $30. Comes with a neck strap that's long enough to cross sling & shoot in that position (if you have EVF). Top portion is removable. This case also fits the camera with the Oly kit 14-42 lens (but not with filter on, which is not a major problem for me cos mostly I go out top off or just put on filter when ready to shoot) & of course pancake, prob not the 40-150 (I don't have that).

2) Camera bag: maybe last thing you need right now is another bag to add to the bag(s) you carry for the kids. Just use a ziplock bag to put camera in and any soft pouch to put extra lens in -- these can then go into kids bag; or lenses can go in coat pocket (kit lenses are small & light enough).

3) Wrist strap -- can use one from existing P&S if you don't want to use camera case.

4) Filters: I know many people advocate using good (expensive) filters but I think that's great if you are aiming to be a very good photographer for the art's sake (and no disrespect to anyone aiming to do that) but if you are aiming more for good family memories, then start with basic filters and then go for the really good ones when you are ready for that direction. So I got 2 filters for my kit 14-42mm at B&H photo (on the web) -- Tiffen UV Haze 1 & Circular Polarizer, together for $36. B&H is a great store -- have bought from them a few times -- never a problem. B&H has got lots of camera stuff, maybe too much

5) Shooting kid's sports: see this thread
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&message=37906475

Sports photography is not easy (especially without specialized lenses which are expensive) -- but don't get discouraged -- while they are kids, you can still get good shots if you understand the limitations of your camera system. The good thing you have going is you mentioned soccer & baseball -- outdoor and more chance of sunny weather (indoor volleyball or badminton would be quite a challenge)

6) favourite website:
http://www.digital-photography-school.com/

7) If you still have energy left, try practising indoor lower light shots to get ready for kids' parties before they happen. Although getting the Pana 20mm 1.7 could be the easy way out, I'd say try it with your kit lens first both with and without the flash -- this way you are forced to learn your current kit's limitations and strengths.

8) Other accessories

• Get more memory cards -- 4 to 8GB is enough -- better to have more cards with less memory each than one card with huge memory (all eggs in one basket=trouble) but get class 10 cards for video
• Get spare battery (altho official EPL2 battery is not out yet) -- I find it sucks up battery power quite fast
• Pana 20mm 1.7: what can you say about this lens that's not been said? Small, sharp, sexy light.
• Viewfinder VF-2 -- expensive but depending on how you shoot, this could be a must-have or no-need; I find it indispensable.
• rocket blower for sure -- simple & effective lens cleaner

Good luck, and post your pix for advice here -- most people are very helpful!

It's also a good idea IMO with any new camera to just get used to it and any quirks. A quirk could be a simple as you take the same type of picture and have to decide if a shot with exposure compensation and flash compensation in combination get you the best image or just using a pre-set program works.

Cameras like this are mini version of a DSLR in some ways.

For filters that topic is like is Nikon or Canon better. I have been shooting for about 20 years and I personally have never seen or felt a filter meant to protect the lens was degrading an image. Unless I miss something all the talk is subjective but I have never seen any one do a comparison. I always use a multi-coated filter as they are specifically designated that way. Hoya is a bit less money wise than B&W filters, but B&W make amazing stuff. Tiffen is another option for filters. The manufactures charges (over charges) for there name on the same filter. Check B&H photo & video in NYC is a good gauge.

My way of working so to say is I would rather do something to a $50 filter than a $300 lens or what ever it cost. If a filter cost half the price of a lens maybe I would save the second half and just replace it. Again, my lenses are always protected and I have no problems and in my mind know I do what I can but accidents happen.

On the flip side as part of those 20 years I spent about half working and selling camera gear. I always presented the option to my customers and never pressed the point. I did see many lenses dropped and that filter saved the lens. Not worth repairing a lens with broken or cracked glass unless your insured maybe. Just my way of doing things.

For camera bags I have my Panasonic GF-1 in a Domke ballistic series F-6 little bit smaller bag and I added the two compartment insert accessory. It fits the GF-1 with the 14-45 attached. The 45-200, 7-14 and 20 1.7. I can swap one item out if I need my flash. Smaller would be something from Lowepro or maybe Tenba.

I said I use filters on my lenses to protect, but a good padded camera bag like a sturdy tripod is just as important. Only as strong as the weakest link.

Congratulations on your E-PL2.

I'd suggest going slow on any purchases. It's easy to spend a lot of money very quickly before knowing exactly what you need for your uses. An extra battery, some kind of case, and a strap are all fairly inexpensive and it's hard to go wrong with any of them. Whether you should use a filter or not is debateable. You can search the forum and find several discussions about all of those items.

In particular, stick with the kit lens for awhile and learn what kind of photos you like to take, and what kind of lens you've found a need for. Again, lots of discussion about lenses here. The Panasonic 20mm lens is very popular, but it's not cheap, and it's not necessarily for everyone. The same can be said of the VF-2 electronic viewfinder, and the SEMA-1 external microphone. Just because someone owns both (I do) doesn't mean either is for you.

If you're fortunate enough to have a camera store nearby, go for a visit. It's much easier to make most decisions when you can handle the items, and the advice of a knowledgeable salesperson can make a difference. If you see something you like, there's a good chance someone her has experience with it or a similar item, so post some questions about it if you're unsure about buying it.

If you get frustrated with something, post an example of what you're trying to accomplish and ask for advice. A photo of the problem is often helpful, too. For instance, you mentioned shooting at soccer matches, which can be a challenge. Whatever you do, don't be afraid to shoot away and ask questions. Have fun with your new PEN!

I just bought a few from ebay! Multi-coated and all sorts of claims...slim too...I say they are very good and works well with my other canon DSLR lens...but some how on my m4/3 lens they do tend to bring up reflections. BUT BUT when I used the tiffen filters they do not have reflections.

So I am not sure it is just these filters or M4/3 lens are just not good for filters. I am using leica lens and I have not used filter on them at all for the past 3 years so maybe as long as you are careful and bring along a lens cleaner you should be fine.

I would recommend a External view finder...VF-2. I initially did discount the idea, but saw one on ebay cheap and bagged it. Since on I have been using VF-2 for low angle shot of marcos...so I would imagine you don't have to be on your knees as much when you are showing your kids...also a low angle view of children do have a different prespective.

EVF is also good when you are holidaying in the summer.

Just my 2 pence!
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I shoot P for purpose; A for appreciation; S for serenity; M for masterpiece, Leica for life and Olympus for originality.

Thank you very much, this is great information. The anticipation is now going to officially kill me! I will read up on the links you sent and get ready for the camera.
Thanks a bunch.

Instead of UV filters just get a lens hood, that will protect it if you drop it. Polarizer and ND filters are a good idea. Make sure you get the EVF, a must have.

Thanks for the advice. Knowing my environment (kids all around), filters are probably warranted.

don't forget an LCD screen protector -- those stick on ones are alright -- don't want to get the screen scratched!

ryan2007 said:

For filters that topic is like is Nikon or Canon better. I have been shooting for about 20 years and I personally have never seen or felt a filter meant to protect the lens was degrading an image. Unless I miss something all the talk is subjective but I have never seen any one do a comparison. I always use a multi-coated filter as they are specifically designated that way. Hoya is a bit less money wise than B&W filters, but B&W make amazing stuff. Tiffen is another option for filters. The manufactures charges (over charges) for there name on the same filter. Check B&H photo & video in NYC is a good gauge.

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I'm not intending to hijack this into a filter vs. non-filter debate but "protective" filters should be used just for that. Protect the lens when you know there is some likely issue. Otherwise during normal usage they do degrade the image.

Here is a sample of what happens when you leave a "protective" filter on when it's not needed. Note the reflections above the candles and inverted images of the candle flames in the bottom of the image. This is wholly from the filter. I had forgotten to take it off from a foul weather shoot.

This is an extreme example but lens designers don't design for that extra piece of flat reflective glass in front of the lens. Even if it's multi-coated it causes reflections.



Oh, and here's another example (not from my images but someone else) based on a casual Google search...
http://www.flickr.com/groups/canon_50mm/discuss/72157603907741669/

readyaimshoot said:

Thanks for the advice. Knowing my environment (kids all around), filters are probably warranted.

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The debate on filters goes on forever. Some advice I have followed from a photography class I took in the 1970's is that a protective filter is fine. If you are going to shoot a night scene with a long exposure, remove the filter or you will probably have unwanted reflections in the photo. As has been said before, B&H photo has been great to deal with for a long time.

Have fun and take lots of photographs and videos of the kids as they grow and change.
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E-330, E-520 E-30 DSLRs, Canon S95 & SD4000 P&S. E-PL2

With respect.

It does not prove much. One has no idea what material is behind the candles causing a reflection. Reflections from lighting in the room could also cause issue. Camera position is far away and the focus is the couple not candles in the background. IMO proves nothing.

If you take a multi-coated clear filter or UV for that matter and position it above glass with you holding the filter thread side facing you slightly away from your eye and tilt it you will not see reflections from above lighting. My example is using a glass floor case like a typical retail store would have. A non coated filter you will see the above lights.

So a multi-coated filter like this reduces flair.

Last, no facts have been presented as to what the specific filter is being used if any at all. Maybe its a cheap lens or a P&S camera?

The person behind the camera should make certain decisions beyond what anyone says.

I have always used a multi-coated filter. Depending on the angle of the lens position you can pick up reflections. Nothing is full proof, but if you start to sell more images and book more weddings because you stopped using certain filters, great, what ever works for the individual.

ThingsAbove said:

ryan2007 said:

For filters that topic is like is Nikon or Canon better. I have been shooting for about 20 years and I personally have never seen or felt a filter meant to protect the lens was degrading an image. Unless I miss something all the talk is subjective but I have never seen any one do a comparison. I always use a multi-coated filter as they are specifically designated that way. Hoya is a bit less money wise than B&W filters, but B&W make amazing stuff. Tiffen is another option for filters. The manufactures charges (over charges) for there name on the same filter. Check B&H photo & video in NYC is a good gauge.

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I'm not intending to hijack this into a filter vs. non-filter debate but "protective" filters should be used just for that. Protect the lens when you know there is some likely issue. Otherwise during normal usage they do degrade the image.

Here is a sample of what happens when you leave a "protective" filter on when it's not needed. Note the reflections above the candles and inverted images of the candle flames in the bottom of the image. This is wholly from the filter. I had forgotten to take it off from a foul weather shoot.

This is an extreme example but lens designers don't design for that extra piece of flat reflective glass in front of the lens. Even if it's multi-coated it causes reflections.



Oh, and here's another example (not from my images but someone else) based on a casual Google search...
http://www.flickr.com/groups/canon_50mm/discuss/72157603907741669/

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