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Great Bustard said:
Well, thanks for that. Hey, here's something:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=c&p=8

Phrase couldn't care less is from 1946; could care less in the same sense (with an understood negative) is 1966
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That's actually an American invention...and not a real "English" term. A prof friend once told me that it came about because many of you Yanks have a conceptual difficulty with double-negatives...hence the need to introject the understood concept negative.

The term "could" care less is never used in England and is not part of the English language. (please remember, American is not a language)...
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A classic example is dolphins vs tuna. It's amazing how much outrage their is over tuna fishermen killing dolphins when going after the tuna, but no one minds them catching the tuna. Why is that? Simple: we eat the tuna, and dolphins are "cute".
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Who are WE? I don't eat tuna, dolphins, animals,or any other "sentient" living thing.
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Great Bustard said:
Good for you! Interestingly, dolphins and tuna eat fish and other sealife.
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Yes, lower forms of life do indeed consume other sentient life to survive.
I on the other hand, do not ;)
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Some educated people understand that there is an interdependence in the biosphere, and the well being of the individual depends largely on the well being of the whole.
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I have no attachment to national pride, patriotism, or a specific country etc - I am a human being - nothing more.
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Great Bustard said:
Well, we're "only human", eh? Some more than others, I s'pose. ;)
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Exactly, a relatively primitive species...that has a long way to go before finally stepping out of the cave. Just a few rungs above shell-fish - no less :)
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if I had to take to heart all the serious tragedies in the world, well, aside from the question of how to prioritize these tragedies, how would one cope? Maybe just turn to religion and say it all doesn't matter in the end -- just bear the suffering and patiently wait to be with God.
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I am not influenced by, nor relate to man-made fantasy ideologies that have no postive data/evidence to support or validate them.
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What if this smokin' hot chick says she'll you so hard that you'll see God. Do you take a chance?
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Definitely, but IF she mentions the word "god"...that's when I get out my duck-tape :)

KEV
http://kvincentphotography.ca/stackedimages
http://kvincentphotography.ca/designerflorals
http://kvincentphotography.ca/macro
 
Grow up.
ron_9 said:
Get this straight in your mind and learn from it--------------the stock market, the new widget, is "NOT" life going on--those are the fleeing and the minimizing of the question of responsibilities of our lives that we should address, but that we continue to ignore.

This is not the same as what one does for his living nor what he does with his living--ron s.
brianric said:
Life keeps going on, no matter what happens.
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Keeping it sane in an insane world is an inconvenience at an inconvenient time!!
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happypoppeye said:
May take a lot to offend you, but not much to confuse you.

I haven't seen a post yet where the OP says he doesn't care about the loss of life or anything like that. It's a photo equipment forum and this is the "real world". You need to understand that your reading posts on the interenet and not everyone is going to start with their feelings...
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I feel that you should learn to spell.

Matt
 
Fish323 said:
And I do mean a lot. But when people are counting the 'cost' to supply, demand, and release of new models when probably over 10,000 people have been killed in Japan. I am offended. Some people are really sick. Nuff said.
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I've donated $100 through my company (which has a plant in Sendai), and my mom is still in Tokyo trying to get a flight out.

I have no problem discussing model delays, it's not like if I post on a forum I suddenly forget my mom is at risk of radiation poisoning.
 
Great Bustard said:
Fish323 said:
And I do mean a lot. But when people are counting the 'cost' to supply, demand, and release of new models when probably over 10,000 people have been killed in Japan. I am offended. Some people are really sick. Nuff said.
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I don't know how many people every day starve to death all over the world, but when hobbyists spend $1000 and more for a DSLR and how ever much for lenses, one could easily find something revolting in that as well.

For sure, we can take this to anything, really. How many people might be fed for the price of a $15 movie ticket? And when you see the extravagant, and even obscene, lifestyle of some actors and actresses, well, to have your money go to them rather than to someone feeding a starving child...

So, as far as "offense" goes, there's always plenty to go around. Just because an earthquake brings some more tragedy to the scene doesn't mean that there was any shortage of offense before.
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+1, well said.
 
veteran35th said:
happypoppeye said:
May take a lot to offend you, but not much to confuse you.

I haven't seen a post yet where the OP says he doesn't care about the loss of life or anything like that. It's a photo equipment forum and this is the "real world". You need to understand that your reading posts on the interenet and not everyone is going to start with their feelings...
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I feel that you should learn to spell.

Matt
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Ha ha Matt, you just jibed someone on the internet for their spelling. Nice comeback slick!
 
KEVZPHOTOS said:
That's actually an American invention...and not a real "English" term. A prof friend once told me that it came about because many of you Yanks have a conceptual difficulty with double-negatives...hence the need to introject the understood concept negative.

The term "could" care less is never used in England and is not part of the English language. (please remember, American is not a language)...
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English is not a dead language. Yes, maybe 'could care less' came about from ignorance or laziness, but it could also be irony or sarcasm, like 'could give a damn'. Regardless, it's now part of the language, save for some old farts who whine about it all the time. Give it a rest, it's all but dead and gone, like the British car industry.
 
Since you are so benevolent, I assume you'll be selling all your gear and donating the money to the red cross. I admire that. It shows that you care more about people than material possessions.
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KEVZPHOTOS said:
Great Bustard said:
Well, thanks for that. Hey, here's something:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=c&p=8

Phrase couldn't care less is from 1946; could care less in the same sense (with an understood negative) is 1966
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That's actually an American invention...and not a real "English" term.
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What's a "real English term"? No matter, it is an expression used in America, and, since I'm an American, I use it.
Member said:
A prof friend once told me that it came about because many of you Yanks have a conceptual difficulty with double-negatives...hence the need to introject the understood concept negative.

The term "could" care less is never used in England and is not part of the English language. (please remember, American is not a language)...
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Didn't you say:

I have no attachment to national pride, patriotism, or a specific country etc - I am a human being - nothing more.

Tsk, tsk.
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Member said:
A classic example is dolphins vs tuna. It's amazing how much outrage their is over tuna fishermen killing dolphins when going after the tuna, but no one minds them catching the tuna. Why is that? Simple: we eat the tuna, and dolphins are "cute".
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Who are WE? I don't eat tuna, dolphins, animals,or any other "sentient" living thing.
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Member said:
Good for you! Interestingly, dolphins and tuna eat fish and other sealife.
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Yes, lower forms of life do indeed consume other sentient life to survive.
I on the other hand, do not ;)
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Ah! So all life is not equal after all. Some are "lower" and some are "higher". That makes sense.
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Some educated people understand that there is an interdependence in the biosphere, and the well being of the individual depends largely on the well being of the whole.
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I have no attachment to national pride, patriotism, or a specific country etc - I am a human being - nothing more.
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Member said:
Well, we're "only human", eh? Some more than others, I s'pose. ;)
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Exactly, a relatively primitive species...that has a long way to go before finally stepping out of the cave. Just a few rungs above shell-fish - no less :)
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Indeed -- that whole "higher" vs "lower" thing. I entirely agree.
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if I had to take to heart all the serious tragedies in the world, well, aside from the question of how to prioritize these tragedies, how would one cope? Maybe just turn to religion and say it all doesn't matter in the end -- just bear the suffering and patiently wait to be with God.
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I am not influenced by, nor relate to man-made fantasy ideologies that have no postive data/evidence to support or validate them.
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What if this smokin' hot chick says she'll you so hard that you'll see God. Do you take a chance?
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Definitely, but IF she mentions the word "god"...that's when I get out my duck-tape :)
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Is "duck tape" an English thing? Myself, I use duct tape as a matter of course -- no need for the girl to mention God at all for me to get break out a roll and get the job done. ;)
 
I am deciding if I want to continue being a member of this forum? In the last several days I have read thread after thread people being about as rude as I have ever seen in day to day life.

I only want to talk about cameras and lens, thats why I joined this forum. I feel if I have a question to present by starting a thread that the answers will not be confined to the subject with rudeness as a sideline and not positive suggestions.

Larry
 
Tony Hall said:
Since you are so benevolent, I assume you'll be selling all your gear and donating the money to the red cross. I admire that. It shows that you care more about people than material possessions.
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Good point. I have been watching this thread with interest. It seems that if you don't conform to some of these posters' belief systems, then you are simply wrong and 'sick'.

To the OP - so you must have stopped watching TV or going to movies or even going out to eat since the disaster. You must not be entertaining friends or family as you are obviously in mourning. And of course, you must have bought your plane ticket to go to Japan soon to help out with disaster relief. No? I thought not! Moreover, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you even looking at these forums? By your own logic, you should not be thinking of anything else besides the tragedy in Japan.

All of us the world over, are deeply saddened by this disaster, and are hoping that things improve soon for the great people of Japan. My friends and I have donated towards relief efforts. But we don't need to advertise it around to show that we care and chastise those that are trying to live a normal life. Each of us have our own way of mourning and getting through this. Just because some of us choose to come to a photography discussion forum, doesn't make us 'sick' or uncaring. Please let's not take the moral high ground here and pretend to be superior to the rest of us. ;-)

Cheers,
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Nikhil
http://www.lihkin.net
 
larrywilson said:
I am deciding if I want to continue being a member of this forum? In the last several days I have read thread after thread people being about as rude as I have ever seen in day to day life.
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Larry,

There are literally thousands of different threads on this forum.

We are all able to pick n choose which ones interest us and particpate accordingly, or not.

So, IF you don't like threads such as this...why not simply ignore them and don't comment?

IF you wish to be completely mono-topical (ie: cameras & lenses, etc only)...whilst others here are agreeable with a more open form of global human dialogue...then simply avoid getting invoved...instead of trying to "limit" what other people do.

KEV
http://kvincentphotography.ca/stackedimages
http://kvincentphotography.ca/designerflorals
http://kvincentphotography.ca/macro
 
To KEV,

Being rude and disrepectful has nothing to do with other subjects. Discussing different subjects in a respectful way is ok to a certain extent.

Larry
 
Hey Larry:

I know how you feel - this place does have some issues. Fact is I left this place for several years before I came back

If you want a place where the people are not only knowledgeable but they also have respect for each other I highly recommend nikoncafe.com

I hope to see you there
larrywilson said:
I am deciding if I want to continue being a member of this forum? In the last several days I have read thread after thread people being about as rude as I have ever seen in day to day life.

I only want to talk about cameras and lens, thats why I joined this forum. I feel if I have a question to present by starting a thread that the answers will not be confined to the subject with rudeness as a sideline and not positive suggestions.

Larry
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My kit - D200, 10.5mm f/2.8D, 35mm f/1.8G, 50mm f/1.4G & 70-300VR
SB800, SB600 and other misc lighting equipment

Lenses worth mentioning owned and sold– 12-24 f/4, 17-55 f/2.8, 35-70 f/2.8, 80-200 f/2.8, 20mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.8, 50mm f/1.4D, 60mm f/2.8D, 85mm f/1.8, 105mm f/2D-DC, 180mm f/2.8, 300mm f/4D-ED
 
larrywilson said:
To KEV,

Being rude and disrepectful has nothing to do with other subjects. Discussing different subjects in a respectful way is ok to a certain extent.
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I'm not being rude, nor disrespectful...I am merely stating a position here.

It's not possible to 'offend' a theoretical concept or speculation...that would be akin to offending Mickey Mouse or Harry Potter.

No scientist is going to be 'offended' because someone challenges "Super-String Theory" or aspects of Quantum Physics.

That's the problem with religious folks - they always seem to get 'offended' when people challenge their theoretical belief system. It suddenly becomes a personal thing...and they just don't seem to be able to take it...simply because the challenger is saying - you are wrong.

Religion is no a taboo subject. It's not an "off the table" discussion, nor something sacred (excuse the fantasy-based pun :)...that is beyond confrontational debate.

Religion or belief is also not something to BE respected...it is merely a "theory" concept...that actually (to date) has absolutely no supporting, positive data/evidence to back it up.

Therefore, in a technical sense is a theroectical fantasy based ideology.

This is not being rude, nor offensive...it is merely stating the facts as sceince-maths currently presents it.

IF some folks 'choose' to be offended by the facts, then that's their own internal psychological dilemma....and certainly not my doing.

KEV
http://kvincentphotography.ca/stackedimages
http://kvincentphotography.ca/designerflorals
http://kvincentphotography.ca/macro
 
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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

No scientist is going to be 'offended' because someone challenges "Super-String Theory" or aspects of Quantum Physics.
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Not sure if you are aware of "offending the establishment" of physics community these days if one dare say anything regarding string theory, and to a lesser extent quantum physics, which are being pursued like "religion" :).

Sincerely,

Joofa

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I have read all of the posts with interest and frankly did not find:

1) Kev to be rude. Just because he doesn't believe in a god doesn't make him rude, just a view based on facts and science not "faith" and "fantasy".

2) Regarding "can we be compasionate and still have a life." Of course, but what I see is that the push back is on the really dumb questions based on absolutely ignoring the facts on the ground. Asking when or what the D4/D400/Dxxx will be released or cost at this point is a lot like a god - just a fantasy.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/22388579@N08/
 
Oscarroos said:
I have read all of the posts with interest and frankly did not find:

1) Kev to be rude. Just because he doesn't believe in a god doesn't make him rude, just a view based on facts and science not "faith" and "fantasy".
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Ahhh, well here's the rub tho - as always...

IF one challenges religious belief in a directl manner..it's often construed as being rude, offensive, and all the rest of it.

However, the very religious position itself is a direct challenge to everything scientific based and in complete conflict with reason and logical thinking.

But of course, the religious person will never recognize this (let alone admit it)...that their very belief system could actually BE percieved by others as rude or offensive as it can possibly get. Not to mention, the religious social side symptoms that have plagued this planet for the last 2-3 millenium.

The simple fact is....religion (along with any other cult ideology)...does not have to be tolerated and/or respected at all. Just because it exists...does not make it socially paletable to many, and no less repugnant than any other social ill that creates a negative impact upon our society.

Unlike the centuries past...religion is no longer 'untouchable'...and this will become the new rude awakening for the flock ;)

KEV
http://kvincentphotography.ca/stackedimages
http://kvincentphotography.ca/designerflorals
http://kvincentphotography.ca/macro
 
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