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Ned Bunnell said:
**** Ginkowski said:
...nor as an attorney would I handle divorces...I'd put a gun to my
head first..
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Mr. Ginkowski,

It appears to the court that you are attempting to lead the jury to a conclusion, although perhaps "send" would be a better word, since you stop quite short of going there yourself.

We believe more information is required, to determine what you may, or may-not, have meant to say.

To enable us to ascertain whether you are in fact suggesting what, on the surface, would seem to be the obvious outcome, please answer the following questions with a "Yes", or a "No".

1. When you use the word "gun", do you mean a firearm?

2. Would the gun be fully functional?

3. Would the part of the gun "put to" your head be the muzzle?

4. Would the gun contain "live" ammunition, rather than blanks or duds?

5. Would the gun have a round chambered in "firing position", ...or, if a double-action revolver, in the next up-coming chamber?

6. If a single action, would the gun be "cocked"?

7. Would you pull the trigger?

8. Is handling divorces really THAT bad?

Thank you for the clarification. :-)

Larry ( ****, what is your middle name? Most of the Polish are fine people, ...but you have to watch those "Lou" Poles. ;-)
 
Peter Vaktor said:
With all due respect, this is the silliest reason I ever heard for
getting the 1Ds. :-)
By extention, your reasoning would suggest that placing a 1Ds in
the hands of a monkey (no disrespect meant to the simian world!)
would automatically guarantee it a job as a wedding photographer. I
thought (silly me) that pro photographers relied on (dare I mention
it?) "TALENT" and "REPUTATION" to secure their assignments. Boy,
was I wrong!!! :-)
Peter
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Carry your thinking a step further. You as a consumer don't have a clue. You've been given the name of three qualified wedding photographers. They're all nice personalities with great portfolios to show. Who do you choose? Flip a coin or do you go with the one that outshines the other's? It called sizzle. You don't sell the steak, you sell the smell, the aroma, the sizzle. When was the last time the resturant you bought a steak at served you a USDA choice as opposed to the standard, prime.

Why the photographer only uses the most expensive cameras and lenses. You betcha, that point alone will sell you a lot of jobs. That photographer only uses the most current technology to capture the event. Yepper, there's another selling point consumers care about.

The best selling tool is doubt. And when a customer can't have it, they want it.
 
Thomas Gardner said:
(Troll alert!) You've made a horribly good articulation of why a
pro would benefit by buying an overpriced camera like the 1Ds.

In the trades, equipment differentiates the quality of the
tradesperson. It doesn't make one better but who do you want doing
the crown molding in your ten thousand dollar bathroom? A person
using a hardrock maple mitre box and back saw, or a craftsman with
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Why do we all think the D1s is overpriced? Nobody ever complains about the price of a hasselblad, a linhoff technica, or a sinar. These are professional tools for professional photographers. If you think the camera is overpriced, then you do not have a real need for the camera. I feel the camera is appropriately priced for what you are getting. I use a Kodak DCS 760 and it cost $7500.00 and no one I know who has one thought it was overpriced when they purchased it. They average payback for a working professional on the D1s is anywhere from one to six jobs--after that it's an ongoing asset. Add your profit for digital film processing as you no longer charge for film and lab processing and the camera is a no brainer. Just my $8000.00 worth.
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Giacometti
 
Paul Cheang writes:

Some point of view, Peter. Sorry, but I will get the job then because I have 2 D1s. I guess the next step in your sell pitch would be "Hi, I have three D1s 12MP DSRL - hire me :)?"

It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man that makes a good photographer.

Interesting point though... I 'll go get me one more just to beat the game of the man with the most toys wins.

Paul
 
You just proved his point. You felt the need to tell him:

"It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man that makes a good photographer."

You must think that some people believe the opposite if you feel the need to educate them? Perhaps some of those people are ignorant customers?

Jason
PAUL CHEANG said:
Paul Cheang writes:

Some point of view, Peter. Sorry, but I will get the job then
because I have 2 D1s. I guess the next step in your sell pitch
would be "Hi, I have three D1s 12MP DSRL - hire me :)?"

It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man
that makes a good photographer.

Interesting point though... I 'll go get me one more just to beat
the game of the man with the most toys wins.

Paul
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PAUL CHEANG said:
It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man
that makes a good photographer.
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Some very "good" female photographers may raise a (groomed) eyebrow at this revelation ;-)

So much for "good", ... we're left to wonder about the "great" photographer?

Larry
 
This is kind of beside the point you're making, but out of simple curiosity... how often do you find yourself at a wedding where there are other guests using DSLRs?

I'm a cellist in a professional string quartet, and we do an ungodly number of weddings each year (we had no less than FIVE this weekend alone—one Friday evening and two each on Saturday and Sunday). I tend to pay close attention to cameras pretty much every where I go. And I don't believe I've ever seen an SLR in the hands of a guest at a wedding, digital or otherwise. Lots and lots of point-and-shoot cameras, sure... but I can't recall any SLRs. Certainly none with all the flashy accoutrements the hired photographer sports (the long, flashy lenses, the enormous speedlite contraptions).

And please understand, the bulk of our wedding gigs come through entertainment agencies who charge big bucks (sadly, we see but a fraction of this). We're usually playing in upscale settings (a la The Biltmore, Ritz Carlton, The Four Seasons, The Phoenician) and the clients and guests themselves are generally of the ilk that can afford top-of-the-line everything. They may HAVE a D60, D100, or even a 1D at home, but I sure haven't noticed them bringing it.

I dunno... maybe in Miami, everyone's just REALLY into photography.
Peter Gregg said:
Standing there with other wanna-be photographers who have Canon
D60s, Nikon D100s and other affordable DSLRs ready to give the
bride their pictures for free isn't the best thing in the world.
Surely someone can understand that and not turn it around as an
insecurity issue.
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Larry H. Smith said:
PAUL CHEANG said:
It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man
that makes a good photographer.
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Some very "good" female photographers may raise a (groomed) eyebrow
at this revelation ;-)

So much for "good", ... we're left to wonder about the "great"
photographer?

Larry
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Paul Cheang writes:
I am just being nice to Peter... the word "great" may makes him squirmish.
Paul
 
PAUL CHEANG said:
It is not the camera that makes a great photographer, it is the man
that makes a good photographer.
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Aaaaaah, Paul? Ya might want to add woman to your above before Immogene and friends come kicking at your door tonight:-)

Here's a site that would love to entertain your comment.

http://www.usefilm.com/forums.php?forum=11&amp ;topic=1406

In Pest Control, I can't count the number of times people have asked me if I carry a tall ladder? I couldn't be a great Pest Control Operator without that tall ladder and a great photographer can't be a great photographer with out a camera to have practiced with when they weren't a great photographer:-)

Oh! And I tell the customers that ask me, "I sure do, I carry ninty feet of laddering on the truck." That impresses them:-) They also ask me if I have protective gear to protect me from the stinging insects:-o I resist the temptation to say "Of course I do, I just look stupid" :-) The dear's are asking out of genuine concern for my safety. So I tell them, "I sure do!" But trust me, I wouldn't be as good as I am if it wasn't for the gear.
 
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