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Pricing announced at BHphoto for new lenses!
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Barry Fitzgerald
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16mm pancake is about what I'd expect to pay on the basis that's it's got good optics.
20mm is fine price wise but 20mm is not an ideal focal length
85mm f1.4 is a bit high can't see many users going for this IMO it would have made a lot more sense for a better priced 85mm f1.8 (ala Canon and Nikon versions)
60mm macro is a bit high also but it depends how it stacks up
18-200mm is way off the mark it's to high by a country mile.
Still at least they have a lens range which is more than can be said for NEX at this time.
I'm of the view makers will have considerably less uptake on lenses than traditional DSLR's it's going to take Samsung a very long time to get a firm foothold still not a bad effort this covers a decent range overall.
20mm is fine price wise but 20mm is not an ideal focal length
85mm f1.4 is a bit high can't see many users going for this IMO it would have made a lot more sense for a better priced 85mm f1.8 (ala Canon and Nikon versions)
60mm macro is a bit high also but it depends how it stacks up
18-200mm is way off the mark it's to high by a country mile.
Still at least they have a lens range which is more than can be said for NEX at this time.
I'm of the view makers will have considerably less uptake on lenses than traditional DSLR's it's going to take Samsung a very long time to get a firm foothold still not a bad effort this covers a decent range overall.
Yes, I agree with you that's why they are preparing 3 bodies for any type of users...and a range of lenses for any type of users.
Beginners with tight budget will have many stuff to chose:
NX10 or NX20, or NX100 or NX200. so...it's 4 bodies for beginners and rookies kk.
There will be the Premium body for enthousiast with more money.
Moreover...tight budget can chose between plenty lenses alrdeay which are affordable:
so...it still gives the opportunity for tight budget to have a lot fun with this System for a relatively cheap price in my opinion.
Beginners with tight budget will have many stuff to chose:
NX10 or NX20, or NX100 or NX200. so...it's 4 bodies for beginners and rookies kk.
There will be the Premium body for enthousiast with more money.
Moreover...tight budget can chose between plenty lenses alrdeay which are affordable:
- 16mm (coming soon)
- 20mm
- 30mm
- 18-55 OIS
- 20-50
- 50-200 OIS
so...it still gives the opportunity for tight budget to have a lot fun with this System for a relatively cheap price in my opinion.
DGB2
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I agree on the 60mm macro. The pricing is probably quite fair. The one comparable lens I am familiar with is the Panasonic 45mm f2.8 which has an equivalent focal length in m4/3. The list price for that lens is $899.00 USD and the street price is still around $700.00 18 months after it was announced.--
Dennis
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samyang's pricing policy shows that quality glass is not that expensive.
I agree with you Mr Cucumber. I would be really happy if Samyang make their 7.5mm lens for NX mount.. and then develop a range of mft/nx small sized manual lenses: ie a 24mm f2 or 1.8 etc. I guess there is some trickiness in making focal lenths that are attractive for both 2x crop and 1.5x crop factors
I know that there would be overlap with with Samsung's own lenses.. but I would be much more tempted by them than Samyang's current range which I know are good quality and fantastic value but for my uses negate the size advantage of NX10's compact body.
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I know that there would be overlap with with Samsung's own lenses.. but I would be much more tempted by them than Samyang's current range which I know are good quality and fantastic value but for my uses negate the size advantage of NX10's compact body.
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Samyangs big lenses have a massive market as they make the same lense for all the major mounts.
Once the market is cut down to a niche mount, say m43, then the price is bound to sky rocket.
Ian Leach
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I respect the views of those who are saying you need to pay for quality or stick to the cheaper zooms. The problem is if you want macro there are no cheaper options. I bought the NX10 camera, 18-55mm and 30mm prime for the same money they want for one 60mm macro. After waiting a year for it (one and a half by the time it arrives) this is a bit of a blow.
Thanks Ian
Thanks Ian
I don't know how a macro lens is made.
But...as I know...I've never seen any cheap macro lens (I don't know much about macro world)
Here are the reasons that I guess why macro lenses are expensive:
But...as I know...I've never seen any cheap macro lens (I don't know much about macro world)
Here are the reasons that I guess why macro lenses are expensive:
- a macro lens has to able a really close focus
- a macro lens has to focus really fast
- the focus has to be silent if possible
- the sharpness must be really high
- a macro lens needs an OIS system for handshake
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Barry Fitzgerald
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This is obviously true!
Not true most macro lenses are not fast for AF
Not relevant in some cases
Few macro lenses are poor
Not as such but those systems with in body AS will do fine here.
Unfortunately wrong!
http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-AF-90mm-2-8-SP/dp/B00021EEA4
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-Macro-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0007WK8KS/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1299796999&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-60mm-Micro-Nikkor-Digital-Cameras/dp/B00005LE77/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1299797035&sr=1-3
I could go on there are also a number of reasonable priced 50mm and a few 35/30mm macros too.
Such as
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SAL30M28-Alpha-Digital-Cameras/dp/B002MPPRNQ/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1299797170&sr=1-9
Maybe. I said I don't know much about macro lens. That's a reason why this 60mm macro is interesting for me...as I want to try macro. I kinda like artistic pictures^^
I checked the links you showed.
I can see that these lenses were quite expensive...even though now they seem to be a good deal after their price droped.
Anyway...we are all debating here about the prices of these lenses...but has someone said...nothing seems to prove that these prices are something more than just prices guessed by this shop.
I checked the links you showed.
I can see that these lenses were quite expensive...even though now they seem to be a good deal after their price droped.
Anyway...we are all debating here about the prices of these lenses...but has someone said...nothing seems to prove that these prices are something more than just prices guessed by this shop.
It is really disappointing to see the prices this high. I was really looking forward to 18-200mm lens, now I will have to go for the 50-200 lens. I really hope these prices go down when samsung officially announces the prices of these lens.
It's not really fair to compare Samsung's new lens line up to established lenses though from amazon. Those lenses have been out for years now and have had time to go down in price. If you look at the original prices, they are priced way high, more than Samsung's even.
Lens wise there are no cheaper options. But you can buy macro filters with certain thread sizes to attach to your zooms, pancakes, etc. It shortens the required focusing distance. Of course the image sharpness won't be as good as a dedicated macro lens, but they're good enough. BHphotovideo sells them from around 20 to 80 bucks, most of them being on the lower price spectrum. I some sample shots around the forum and they were decent.
I agree
I also agree here
I can't say much about portrait lenses since I don't know much about them...but if anything, it's good to see Samsung pushing their standards to show that they really are a capable camera company. One of their biggest issues is being recognized as a dependable camera manufacturer, and these premium lenses will help their reputation even if some people aren't happy with pricing.
I don't know much about macro lenses either, but like you said if the quality is there, why shouldn't the pricing be justified.
I disagree with this one. If you look at Sony and Panasonic's video optimized zoom lenses, those are all priced sky high too, around 800 ish dollars.
Coldamus
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Well, there are cheaper options if you are prepared to make compromises.
Firstly, there are add-on macro lens attachments. The really cheap ones are rubbish but very good results are possible with something like a Raynox:
http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/dcr/dcr250/indexdcr250eg.htm
It would go well on the NX50-200. I'm fairly sure the lens won't auto-focus with the Raynox on it but for serious macro work, manual focus is usually preferrred.
Secondly you could use an adapter and a macro lens from some other brand, such as Pentax. If you include the cost of the adapter, new Pentax macros won't be much cheaper than the Samsung 60mm. Second-hand ones will be quite a bit cheaper. If you get one with an aperture ring, you'll only need a cheap adapter. It will be manual focus only on the NX10, so better to get an older and much cheaper manual focus macro lens.
Thirdly, you could use an adapter and an ordinary lens from some other brand plus a set of macro extension tubes. Bayonet mount extension tubes are available for most brands but the cheaper ones suffer from light leaks. M42 screw mount doesn't have that problem so I'd recommend using an NX/M42 adapter with M42 screw mount extension tubes and lens. I tried this myself this morning with my Super-Takumar 55mm f1.8 and the result was quite good. I only had a single short extension tube but could focus down to about six inches. The longer the tube, the closer the focus and greater magnification.
supeyugin1
Leading Member
Comparing to Canon
16mm Samsung costs $400 (25mm equiv)
Canon has: 14mm/2.8 (22mm equiv for APS) $2200
for FF: 24mm/2.8 $345, but it's not pancake and it's not f/2.4
Fair price for Samsung
Samsung 60mm/2.8 macro $600 (92mm equiv)
Canon has: 60mm/2.8 macro for APS $435
For FF: 100mm/2.8 macro $550
Samsung lens is a bit overpriced, but not by much.
Samsung 85mm/1.4 $1000 (131mm equiv)
Canon has: 85mm/1.8 for APS $390, but it's not f/1.4
85mm/1.2L for APS $2060, it's a bit faster than Samsung, but not by much
for FF: 135mm/2.0L $1020, but it's not 1.4
Fair price for Samsung, I think.
On the other hand, Samsung is not Canon, so the prices should be lower.
Maybe they'll lower a bit after some time.
Personally, I'm planning to buy 16mm for now.
16mm Samsung costs $400 (25mm equiv)
Canon has: 14mm/2.8 (22mm equiv for APS) $2200
for FF: 24mm/2.8 $345, but it's not pancake and it's not f/2.4
Fair price for Samsung
Samsung 60mm/2.8 macro $600 (92mm equiv)
Canon has: 60mm/2.8 macro for APS $435
For FF: 100mm/2.8 macro $550
Samsung lens is a bit overpriced, but not by much.
Samsung 85mm/1.4 $1000 (131mm equiv)
Canon has: 85mm/1.8 for APS $390, but it's not f/1.4
85mm/1.2L for APS $2060, it's a bit faster than Samsung, but not by much
for FF: 135mm/2.0L $1020, but it's not 1.4
Fair price for Samsung, I think.
On the other hand, Samsung is not Canon, so the prices should be lower.
Maybe they'll lower a bit after some time.
Personally, I'm planning to buy 16mm for now.
I would be interested in a lens comparable to Pentax's 70mm pancake. I think it would be right on target, and sell like hotcakes if priced around the $400 mark.
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Always the noises made as a great new product comes out - the latter noise when it is realised that a premium product commands a premium price.
Compared to front line lenses from other makers the prices are not too bad.
The high end lenses probably need the "Classic+" to drive them to their optimum.
Ooh, ahh, hooray ... for the classic+ with a marvelous sensor and wonderful body!
Duh-oh ... you want "how" much for it?
Don't worry guys you can always by a "Style" NX100 or it's successor and have good fun and great images from much cheaper kit lenses. Nobody is going to twist your arm to shell out for the higher quality. But it sure ain't going to fall into your lap at some sort of knock-down price.
Samsung needs to boost it's image from a maker of cheap point n shoots to a maker of quality cameras and there as to be a bit of price pain on the way.
By the way the dreams are not Samsung player's nightmares alone. Most that buy Nikon, Canon et al buy the entry level body and a few basic lenses and pretend that they have one of the special ones.
I guess we will get over it, but I had better reserve my 85mm f1.4 right now, they might just be on short supply. (grin)
Meanwhile the NX10 and a couple of lenses make a very good entry level effort to keep us amused.
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Compared to front line lenses from other makers the prices are not too bad.
The high end lenses probably need the "Classic+" to drive them to their optimum.
Ooh, ahh, hooray ... for the classic+ with a marvelous sensor and wonderful body!
Duh-oh ... you want "how" much for it?
Don't worry guys you can always by a "Style" NX100 or it's successor and have good fun and great images from much cheaper kit lenses. Nobody is going to twist your arm to shell out for the higher quality. But it sure ain't going to fall into your lap at some sort of knock-down price.
Samsung needs to boost it's image from a maker of cheap point n shoots to a maker of quality cameras and there as to be a bit of price pain on the way.
By the way the dreams are not Samsung player's nightmares alone. Most that buy Nikon, Canon et al buy the entry level body and a few basic lenses and pretend that they have one of the special ones.
I guess we will get over it, but I had better reserve my 85mm f1.4 right now, they might just be on short supply. (grin)
Meanwhile the NX10 and a couple of lenses make a very good entry level effort to keep us amused.
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