Would anyone who is looking at a D60 be so convinced that a true improvement is coming at the PMA that they would hold off? Yes, I've read the forums about and know that conjecture and $2.35 will yet you a decafe latte at Starbucks, but just checking to see of those that are waiting, who would not make a purchace now and be willing to wait...
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Would anyone not buy a D60 now
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mike b in oklahoma
Well-known member
Nobody knows! Or at least those who do, aren't talking.
You just have to weigh how badly you want a D60 now versus the risk of waiting for something better that might not materialize, or might cost too much if it does.
If you're happy shooting whateve you're shooting now, and digital isn't a priority really, it might be good to wait. But if you aren't happy with your current situation, you might consider going with a D60.
I don't know what the going price for used D30s is, but if you can find one for substantially less than a new D60, it might make an acceptable stopgap.
Alas and hurrah (both apply, I think), we are going to be living in this situation for several years. Just like we've been living with it on computers for twenty years or so. I suspect digicams will level off faster than the computer revolution did, however. Of course, that argument has been had here before.
I suspect I haven't said much you don't already know, but hopefully this at least helped you examine your own ideas on the subject!
Mike B. in OKlahoma
i. Those who waited for digital cameras that can compete with silver halide film based
models can buy now. Regarding resolution, speed, film properties, digital cameras can
compete. Under extreme lighting conditions, actual digital photography exceeds analog
capabilities.
v. A very specific but important aspect is efficient data handling. The results prove, that a
large number of pixel produces big files but it isn’t a guarantee for sharp and high
resolving images. The consumer must focus on memory card capacity, data storage, file
transfer on networks etc. All of them require an effective and economic data
management with high quality image files. The more pictures a photographer takes,
stores and distributes the more advantages he gains with cameras of good efficiency
marks or an economic file-size / net-file-size ratio.
this is why more MP's can be more of a hassle to work with.
it's quoted from a recent test that is shown in the "interesting" topic on this board.
photography is my passion.
models can buy now. Regarding resolution, speed, film properties, digital cameras can
compete. Under extreme lighting conditions, actual digital photography exceeds analog
capabilities.
v. A very specific but important aspect is efficient data handling. The results prove, that a
large number of pixel produces big files but it isn’t a guarantee for sharp and high
resolving images. The consumer must focus on memory card capacity, data storage, file
transfer on networks etc. All of them require an effective and economic data
management with high quality image files. The more pictures a photographer takes,
stores and distributes the more advantages he gains with cameras of good efficiency
marks or an economic file-size / net-file-size ratio.
this is why more MP's can be more of a hassle to work with.
it's quoted from a recent test that is shown in the "interesting" topic on this board.
photography is my passion.
Lone Piper
New member
I recently received (finally) my D60 and have started to use it in my business and for pleasure. I do table top photography, mostly jewelry, for a living and now find the D60 as good as any medium format camera I have ever used, especially without the cost of film and processing. With the new price annoucned for the 1Ds, I cannot see any advantage, even in the long run, to the cost. For landscape, it is perfect for me.
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Dr_ML
Leading Member
mike,
The problem really is that today's lenses aren't capable of resolving much more detail than the current 6MP cameras or the 1Ds with its full frame sensor (the photo receptors are fairly close in size between the two, just the 1Ds chip is much larger). If you notice, the new 1Ds sample images are almost always shot at F8 so as to get the best possible image. I notice that very clearly on my D60. At some aperatures there is a NOTICEABLE drop off in image quality.
So, until the manufacturers begin making new lenses that are specifically designed for the higher resolution digital cameras, those extra pixels aren't going to do you much good, except for cropping.
As to the camcorders, the reason that they have pretty much topped out is the output (TV) is roughly equal to a 640x480 image. You really don't need a very high resolution camcorder for that
With the new push for HDTV, I am sure that you will see an entire new round of camcorders with each one pushing that it is designed for the HDTV sets.
I am sure the manufacturers are chomping at the bit to get started
Good luck!
Mark
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Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
Henrik Tikkanen
The problem really is that today's lenses aren't capable of resolving much more detail than the current 6MP cameras or the 1Ds with its full frame sensor (the photo receptors are fairly close in size between the two, just the 1Ds chip is much larger). If you notice, the new 1Ds sample images are almost always shot at F8 so as to get the best possible image. I notice that very clearly on my D60. At some aperatures there is a NOTICEABLE drop off in image quality.
So, until the manufacturers begin making new lenses that are specifically designed for the higher resolution digital cameras, those extra pixels aren't going to do you much good, except for cropping.
As to the camcorders, the reason that they have pretty much topped out is the output (TV) is roughly equal to a 640x480 image. You really don't need a very high resolution camcorder for that
With the new push for HDTV, I am sure that you will see an entire new round of camcorders with each one pushing that it is designed for the HDTV sets.I am sure the manufacturers are chomping at the bit to get started
Good luck!
Mark
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Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
Henrik Tikkanen
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Steven
Guest
I heard the same thing when the D60 was annouced
Steven
D60
707
C700
--mike,
The problem really is that today's lenses aren't capable of
resolving much more detail than the current 6MP cameras or the 1Ds
with its full frame sensor (the photo receptors are fairly close in
size between the two, just the 1Ds chip is much larger). If you
notice, the new 1Ds sample images are almost always shot at F8 so
as to get the best possible image. I notice that very clearly on my
D60. At some aperatures there is a NOTICEABLE drop off in image
quality.
So, until the manufacturers begin making new lenses that are
specifically designed for the higher resolution digital cameras,
those extra pixels aren't going to do you much good, except for
cropping.
As to the camcorders, the reason that they have pretty much topped
out is the output (TV) is roughly equal to a 640x480 image. You
really don't need a very high resolution camcorder for that
the new push for HDTV, I am sure that you will see an entire new
round of camcorders with each one pushing that it is designed for
the HDTV sets.
I am sure the manufacturers are chomping at the bit to get started
Good luck!
Mark
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Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant
intelligence.
Henrik Tikkanen
Steven
D60
707
C700
Richard Smith41318
Leading Member
There are three main reasons not to buy a D60:
If you think any of those things could darken your sunny day, then go
ahead and wait. If you think you can live with them then there's no
need to wait anymore. Also there's no promise that whatever Canon
releases in 2003 will wipe away the D60's limitations. In particular
there probably won't be an affordable full-frame camera anytime next
year (or the year after that).
- The 1.6 focal length multiplier (inherited from the D30).
- The limitations of the AF system (ditto).
- The bug that appears when using RAW and Continuous mode at the same
If you think any of those things could darken your sunny day, then go
ahead and wait. If you think you can live with them then there's no
need to wait anymore. Also there's no promise that whatever Canon
releases in 2003 will wipe away the D60's limitations. In particular
there probably won't be an affordable full-frame camera anytime next
year (or the year after that).
Wow..time flies.
This reminds me so much of my position last year at roughly this same time.
Here I sat...reading in between the lines of posters...trying to figure out if I should buy the D30..and get that special harddrive offer going on...or...wait till the show in Orlando...and see what happens.
Well....I waited. I also managed to get one of the very early D60's into the states. I have since shot around 8,500 photos with the camera...gone on several trips..and spent many a wonderful time out looking for things to photograph. I have captured memories for people...and had a good time myself doing so.
There will always be new and better cameras. heck..I was thinking of buying the 1DS and still might. I knew my D60 would be replaced someday...heck I WANT to replace it. I want "new and better". But, so far...what I have within the D60, is better then my own abilities...and...I seriously doubt I can surpass its capabilities even before the replacement of whatever replaces the D60 comes out.
So....it really comes down to you. Do you "NEED" a camera? if so..then get a D60. If you have something that can do the job..and don't mind waiting several months to get the D60 replacement...then wait.
As for me...I am glad I waited back then.
I recall reading those that already had the D30....and were not in a rush to upgrade Well...afterwards...those D30's have still shot wonderful photos....and I surmise..so will my D60.
This reminds me so much of my position last year at roughly this same time.
Here I sat...reading in between the lines of posters...trying to figure out if I should buy the D30..and get that special harddrive offer going on...or...wait till the show in Orlando...and see what happens.
Well....I waited. I also managed to get one of the very early D60's into the states. I have since shot around 8,500 photos with the camera...gone on several trips..and spent many a wonderful time out looking for things to photograph. I have captured memories for people...and had a good time myself doing so.
There will always be new and better cameras. heck..I was thinking of buying the 1DS and still might. I knew my D60 would be replaced someday...heck I WANT to replace it. I want "new and better". But, so far...what I have within the D60, is better then my own abilities...and...I seriously doubt I can surpass its capabilities even before the replacement of whatever replaces the D60 comes out.
So....it really comes down to you. Do you "NEED" a camera? if so..then get a D60. If you have something that can do the job..and don't mind waiting several months to get the D60 replacement...then wait.
As for me...I am glad I waited back then.
I recall reading those that already had the D30....and were not in a rush to upgrade Well...afterwards...those D30's have still shot wonderful photos....and I surmise..so will my D60.
tim martin
Senior Member
The thing is, unless I remember incorrectly, 28 months ago the price
of a camera like the D60 was $20,000, so one naturally wonders what
the price will be 15 months in the future.
And I am not really "waiting", I am, instead, taking fairly nice pictures
with my G2. Pretty much, already, the G2 meets my "needs", if not
exactly my "wants".
... and on top of everything else, I don't exactly have the $2700
that I would feel comfortable about spending on 1 D60 body, and
1 zoom lens. But you're probably right. If I won $5000 in the lottery
tomorrow I probably would spend $2700 of it on a D60.
The thing is, 28 years ago people who was waiting for a perfect camera is still waiting, if s/he still alive.
tim martin
Senior Member
Well, as I said, I am not waiting, I am taking pictures with my
G2 that I bought 11 months ago.
Well, you are right. you didn't wait for G3 or G4 or G5.
Amac
Senior Member
Hi evan,
to me the question of whether to buy a camera or not can only be answered by clearly understanding what YOU want it for. If you are happy with what the D60 will give you in terms of photographic capacities, then buy one. If you feel it's not what you want in DSLR or doesn't fit your shooting preferences, then don't.
It's as simple as that.
I am prepared to wait for the next generation of Canon DSLR because I want to ensure that I have a camera that has more MP's than I need when I put down the sizeable amount on the counter. That way, I know that not only will I have a DSLR which does everything I would want it too, but also that I'll be out of the camera purchasing game for a long, long time.
That's my idea of a photographic investment, for sure.
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Andrew McGregor
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http://www.geocities.com/andrewmcgregorphotography
to me the question of whether to buy a camera or not can only be answered by clearly understanding what YOU want it for. If you are happy with what the D60 will give you in terms of photographic capacities, then buy one. If you feel it's not what you want in DSLR or doesn't fit your shooting preferences, then don't.
It's as simple as that.
I am prepared to wait for the next generation of Canon DSLR because I want to ensure that I have a camera that has more MP's than I need when I put down the sizeable amount on the counter. That way, I know that not only will I have a DSLR which does everything I would want it too, but also that I'll be out of the camera purchasing game for a long, long time.
That's my idea of a photographic investment, for sure.
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Regards
Andrew McGregor
Website
http://www.geocities.com/andrewmcgregorphotography
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Terry Sessford
Guest
I don't particularly want a full frame sensor -- my ideal would be about 1.3 or 1.4 x focal length multiplier (FOV). In fact, for a given number of pixels, I would rather not have full-frame, although if the pixel count was increased proportionately then clearly full-frame would give greater flexibility, however it would also be much more expensive.
This is the killer for me -- Canon must improve the AF on the successor of the D60. I really don't see how they can avoid this, both because of customer demand and because even their new low-end 'cheap' 35mm film SLR (the EOS 300v) has better AF -- more AF points, faster in low-light and better AI servo etc.
Terry.
hi
could someone please tell me what the bug is when shooting RAW images in continuous mode ?
I get great results with my D30 and my 1280 out to 13X19".
Maybe I'll upgrade when a proven affordably priced full frame
sensor is on the market.
I think a full frame sensor and a 7600/9600 will be my next move.
'D30/Photoshop is all you need'
Maybe I'll upgrade when a proven affordably priced full frame
sensor is on the market.
I think a full frame sensor and a 7600/9600 will be my next move.
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'D30/Photoshop is all you need'
Tim Lozinski
Leading Member
never experienced it 'yet', I avoid shooting RAW and cont. til the new firmware, if it would solve it, still a new firmware is long overdue.
Do a search for 'thumnail bug' on the forum, plenty of discussion about it, but I can't imagine EVERYONE gets it.
Do a search for 'thumnail bug' on the forum, plenty of discussion about it, but I can't imagine EVERYONE gets it.
Tim Lozinski
Leading Member
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