A lens to match/rival the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 on Olympus EP series?

40mm lenses would work well. Lots to pick from, Zeiss, Leica, Rokkor, Konica, Russian. Most are f2.0 or faster.



The more important question is who let you into a church? ;)

To the OP, the Panasonic 20mm hits the sweet spot of performance, cost, and utility for native m43 lenses. If you can afford it, you can't go wrong with that choice.
I sing in the Church Chior! What is that they say about a wolf in sheep's clothing?

The problem with the Panny 20mm is cost. If you are willing to go a bit longer (e.g 40mm) you can get similar quality (maybe better) and speed for less than $100 with legacy glass. If you absolutley need AF, go with the Panny.

Tedolph
 
Like I said, ever decreasing circles, I know all the theory.
You are wrong and if you know all the theory you know you are. You are wrong about the equivalence and you need to check up what exposure really is.
I could care less, I know what I meant in relation to the OP's question.
I don't know if you and Sergey have a history. It may be your private sandbox but I think you should get the facts straight anyway. To me it seems relevant to compare to FF as that's where the OP started. (Well, to me it is always relevant, to others it may not be so.)
He's a Sociopath who's currently stalking my posts after embarrassing himself in relation to what a fast lens is for. He's had to re-invent himself in the past and is the longest serving Olympus troll who bores us all rigid about Nikon. Unfortunately he has now decided to make this his new playground. He needs to get a life. This was the little nugget that he came out with, and I quote:

"This is straight to the point, thank you. I would add that the sole purpose of fast lenses is that the can do blurry backgrounds, which includes the edges in most cases."
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
Like I said, ever decreasing circles, I know all the theory.
You are wrong and if you know all the theory you know you are. You are wrong about the equivalence and you need to check up what exposure really is.

I don't know if you and Sergey have a history. It may be your private sandbox but I think you should get the facts straight anyway. To me it seems relevant to compare to FF as that's where the OP started. (Well, to me it is always relevant, to others it may not be so.)

Jonas
I think?

Tedolph
 
Like I said, ever decreasing circles, I know all the theory.
You are wrong and if you know all the theory you know you are. You are wrong about the equivalence and you need to check up what exposure really is.
I could care less, I know what I meant in relation to the OP's question.
Frankly whether you care or care less is not anyone's concern.
I don't know if you and Sergey have a history. It may be your private sandbox but I think you should get the facts straight anyway. To me it seems relevant to compare to FF as that's where the OP started. (Well, to me it is always relevant, to others it may not be so.)
He's a Sociopath who's currently stalking my posts after embarrassing himself in relation to what a fast lens is for.
Now you got me here, what was that again about the fast lenses? I am not even sure I ever discussed it with you, but even if I did it has been quickly forgotten. For me fast lenses are for certain look in the images, and that is how they work for me. For someone else it can be anything they wish. Stalking? You mean like this (deleted by the administrators)?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37620943
papillon_65 wrote:

... So yes I jumped all over you on this thread, it's called payback and you obviously can't cope with it.

About embarrassment, was it like this?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32588873
papillon_65 wrote:

Actually, if we are talking macro, landscape and nature then neither Canon or Nikon would be your best choice.

Of course after this reply the poor dummy could not even answer straight

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32603642

Or was it here,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37832298
papillon_65 wrote:

This is the main difference between Olympus and the other brands. I like the fact that I can shoot all my 4/3's lenses wide open and get decent results. When you are used to shooting Zuiko lenses, performance across the frame becomes noticeable when using lenses which generally need stopping down.

It does not look so to me, with examples (could this be any more wide open?) - why would anyone even think about stopping it down?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37834556

In fact I tried this on almost every lens I have. And I guess what, the very next day the broken record sang again,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37841642

This is often true, everyone of my Zuiko's is sharp wide open, including the kit lenses. This is one of the reasons I shoot 4/3's and m4/3's. With APS-C you need the better high ISO performance to compensate for a lot of the lenses, so you don't really win much anyway anyway (unless you have very expensive lenses).

More examples,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37842009

And now we come to f2 = f2 = equivalent - how so? Has this not been beaten to death on the other forums?
He's had to re-invent himself in the past and is the longest serving Olympus troll who bores us all rigid about Nikon.
Us?
Unfortunately he has now decided to make this his new playground. He needs to get a life.
I think I have far more life than you do, but that is not what I would discuss on the forums with you. Get life yourself.

--
- sergey
 
Like I said, ever decreasing circles, I know all the theory.
You are wrong and if you know all the theory you know you are. You are wrong about the equivalence and you need to check up what exposure really is.
I could care less, I know what I meant in relation to the OP's question.
Frankly whether you care or care less is not anyone's concern.
I don't know if you and Sergey have a history. It may be your private sandbox but I think you should get the facts straight anyway. To me it seems relevant to compare to FF as that's where the OP started. (Well, to me it is always relevant, to others it may not be so.)
He's a Sociopath who's currently stalking my posts after embarrassing himself in relation to what a fast lens is for.
Now you got me here, what was that again about the fast lenses? I am not even sure I ever discussed it with you, but even if I did it has been quickly forgotten. For me fast lenses are for certain look in the images, and that is how they work for me. For someone else it can be anything they wish. Stalking? You mean like this (deleted by the administrators)?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37620943
papillon_65 wrote:

... So yes I jumped all over you on this thread, it's called payback and you obviously can't cope with it.
An invisible thread, interesting lol.
About embarrassment, was it like this?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32588873
papillon_65 wrote:

Actually, if we are talking macro, landscape and nature then neither Canon or Nikon would be your best choice.

Of course after this reply the poor dummy could not even answer straight

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32603642

Or was it here,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37832298
papillon_65 wrote:

This is the main difference between Olympus and the other brands. I like the fact that I can shoot all my 4/3's lenses wide open and get decent results. When you are used to shooting Zuiko lenses, performance across the frame becomes noticeable when using lenses which generally need stopping down.

It does not look so to me, with examples (could this be any more wide open?),

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37834556

In fact I tried this on almost every lens I have. And I guess what, the very next day the broken record sang again,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37841642

This is often true, everyone of my Zuiko's is sharp wide open, including the kit lenses. This is one of the reasons I shoot 4/3's and m4/3's. With APS-C you need the better high ISO performance to compensate for a lot of the lenses, so you don't really win much anyway anyway (unless you have very expensive lenses).

More examples,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37842009

And now we come to f2 = f2 = equivalent - how so? Has this not been beaten to death on the other forums?
He's had to re-invent himself in the past and is the longest serving Olympus troll who bores us all rigid about Nikon.
Us?
Unfortunately he has now decided to make this his new playground. He needs to get a life.
I think I have far more life than you do, but that is not what I would discuss on the forums with you. Get life yourself.

--
- sergey
I can't even be bothered to respond to all of your nonsense, it's quite simple Sergey, you are stalking my posts trying to pick fights all the time, just like this puerile attempt

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37887766

You've been doing this for a while now. So lets look at the facts shall we, who never starts their own threads? That'll be you then.

Who's main contribution to the Olympus DSLR forum is to jump and spend all their time picking fights? That'll be you then.

Who has been banned and had to reinvent themselves from Sergey Green to Sergey_green? Well it's definitely not me ( I have my original ID from day 1 ).

So what is your positive contribution to these forums? How many people do you help with advice and guidance?

Why do you spend all your time stalking my posts on the M4/3's forum when you don't even own an M4/3's camera?

In my eyes, when you weigh all the evidence up, and anybody can check to verify what I am saying, this makes you a Sociopath, a sad little man who has nothing better to do than pick fights using the anonymity of the internet, because you are socially inept. Unfortunately, the moderation of these forums is so bad that you can get away with it. On any other forum I visit you would be banned for good, no doubt about it. So how about you get a life and behave yourself for a change. Ignore my posts and I'll happily ignore yours, then everyone will be happy.
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
Like I said, ever decreasing circles, I know all the theory.
You are wrong and if you know all the theory you know you are. You are wrong about the equivalence and you need to check up what exposure really is.
I could care less, I know what I meant in relation to the OP's question.
Frankly whether you care or care less is not anyone's concern.
I don't know if you and Sergey have a history. It may be your private sandbox but I think you should get the facts straight anyway. To me it seems relevant to compare to FF as that's where the OP started. (Well, to me it is always relevant, to others it may not be so.)
He's a Sociopath who's currently stalking my posts after embarrassing himself in relation to what a fast lens is for.
Now you got me here, what was that again about the fast lenses? I am not even sure I ever discussed it with you, but even if I did it has been quickly forgotten. For me fast lenses are for certain look in the images, and that is how they work for me. For someone else it can be anything they wish. Stalking? You mean like this (deleted by the administrators)?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37620943
papillon_65 wrote:

... So yes I jumped all over you on this thread, it's called payback and you obviously can't cope with it.

About embarrassment, was it like this?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32588873
papillon_65 wrote:

Actually, if we are talking macro, landscape and nature then neither Canon or Nikon would be your best choice.

Of course after this reply the poor dummy could not even answer straight

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=32603642

Or was it here,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37832298
papillon_65 wrote:

This is the main difference between Olympus and the other brands. I like the fact that I can shoot all my 4/3's lenses wide open and get decent results. When you are used to shooting Zuiko lenses, performance across the frame becomes noticeable when using lenses which generally need stopping down.

It does not look so to me, with examples (could this be any more wide open?) - why would anyone even think about stopping it down?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37834556

In fact I tried this on almost every lens I have. And I guess what, the very next day the broken record sang again,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37841642

This is often true, everyone of my Zuiko's is sharp wide open, including the kit lenses. This is one of the reasons I shoot 4/3's and m4/3's. With APS-C you need the better high ISO performance to compensate for a lot of the lenses, so you don't really win much anyway anyway (unless you have very expensive lenses).

More examples,

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37842009

And now we come to f2 = f2 = equivalent - how so? Has this not been beaten to death on the other forums?
He's had to re-invent himself in the past and is the longest serving Olympus troll who bores us all rigid about Nikon.
Us?
Unfortunately he has now decided to make this his new playground. He needs to get a life.
I think I have far more life than you do, but that is not what I would discuss on the forums with you. Get life yourself.

--
- sergey
 
..

In my eyes, when you weigh all the evidence up, and anybody can check to verify what I am saying, this makes you a Sociopath, a sad little man who has nothing better to do than pick fights using the anonymity of the internet, because you are socially inept. Unfortunately, the moderation of these forums is so bad that you can get away with it. On any other forum I visit you would be banned for good, no doubt about it. So how about you get a life and behave yourself for a change. Ignore my posts and I'll happily ignore yours, then everyone will be happy.
The forum is open for all. You made a statement that is factually incorrect. If you do not like my replies - ignore!

--
- sergey
 
One of the best things about my switch from 4/3 to m4/3 was not having to see all these stupid arguments which go on in the Olympus forum.

Please don't start polluting this forum with them.

--
Vaughan
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jvwpc/
I totally agree, the 4/3's forum has been ruined by this idiot and others, many people don't post there anymore due to a small hard core of trolls, all who have been banned and changed their ID's at some stage or other. Unfortunately, as that forum continues to wither this moron and the others will undoubtedly find their way over here and you can expect the same. If you follow his posting history you will notice how he has been stalking my posts on this forum, I'll let you make your minds up as to who the antagonist is. I try to help people when I can, I even use the cameras and lenses that I talk about, ask yourself why a Nikon user spends all his time in the Oly DSLR forum and now, over here.
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
..

In my eyes, when you weigh all the evidence up, and anybody can check to verify what I am saying, this makes you a Sociopath, a sad little man who has nothing better to do than pick fights using the anonymity of the internet, because you are socially inept. Unfortunately, the moderation of these forums is so bad that you can get away with it. On any other forum I visit you would be banned for good, no doubt about it. So how about you get a life and behave yourself for a change. Ignore my posts and I'll happily ignore yours, then everyone will be happy.
The forum is open for all. You made a statement that is factually incorrect. If you do not like my replies - ignore!

--
- sergey
Why do you feel compelled to continually pick fights Sergey, please explain? why did you originally get permanently banned and re-invent yourself? What is your problem? are you so socially inept that you think this is acceptable? does your wife beat you? did you get bullied at school? You're pathetic.
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
I probably should not be even answering this, but I will give it a try ..
Why do you feel compelled to continually pick fights Sergey, please explain?
I am not picking up fights. You made a factually incorrect statement on the open to all forum, I responded.
why did you originally get permanently banned and re-invent yourself?
Now you are picking up fights, because it has nothing to do with this discussion. And besides, were you not on a seven day ban just last week yourself, what was it for?
What is your problem?
I don't have problems, what is yours?
are you so socially inept that you think this is acceptable?
Is insulting other forum members acceptable? Is this normal by your standards?
does your wife beat you?
No, does your wife beat you?
did you get bullied at school?
Did you?
You're pathetic.
How touching.

--
- sergey
 
Why do you feel compelled to continually pick fights Sergey, please explain?
I am not picking up fights. You made a factually incorrect statement on the open to all forum, I responded.
So what about this post? is it factually incorrect? if so tell me how? What was the reason for your post if not to pick a fight?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37887766
why did you originally get permanently banned and re-invent yourself?
Just answer the question.
Now you are picking up fights, because it has nothing to do with this discussion. And besides, were you not on a seven day ban just last week yourself, what was it for?
No I didn't get a 7 day ban, if you can prove it go ahead.
What is your problem?
I don't have problems, what is yours?
Clearly you do have, if not why are you following my posts around and trying to pick a fight as per the link above, no-one else is doing it. Why are you on the m4/3's forum when you don't have an m4/3's camera and have no intention of getting one? What is your positive contribution here?
are you so socially inept that you think this is acceptable?
Is insulting other forum members acceptable? Is this normal by your standards?
What like this one? another unprovoked attack by yourself which I ignored, how many examples do you want?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37834556
does your wife beat you?
No, does your wife beat you?
Clearly not.
did you get bullied at school?
Did you?
See above.
But true.
--
- sergey
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
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I totally agree, the 4/3's forum has been ruined by this idiot and others, many people don't post there anymore due to a small hard core of trolls, all who have been banned and changed their ID's at some stage or other. Unfortunately, as that forum continues to wither this moron and the others will undoubtedly find their way over here and you can expect the same. If you follow his posting history you will notice how he has been stalking my posts on this forum, I'll let you make your minds up as to who the antagonist is. I try to help people when I can, I even use the cameras and lenses that I talk about, ask yourself why a Nikon user spends all his time in the Oly DSLR forum and now, over here.
--
Then just ignore him! It takes two to make an argument. He'll soon get fed up if you never reply to him.

--
Vaughan
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jvwpc/
 
I totally agree, the 4/3's forum has been ruined by this idiot and others, many people don't post there anymore due to a small hard core of trolls, all who have been banned and changed their ID's at some stage or other. Unfortunately, as that forum continues to wither this moron and the others will undoubtedly find their way over here and you can expect the same. If you follow his posting history you will notice how he has been stalking my posts on this forum, I'll let you make your minds up as to who the antagonist is. I try to help people when I can, I even use the cameras and lenses that I talk about, ask yourself why a Nikon user spends all his time in the Oly DSLR forum and now, over here.
--
Then just ignore him! It takes two to make an argument. He'll soon get fed up if you never reply to him.

--
Vaughan
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jvwpc/
I do but he never does, hence my Sociopath comment. I have posted quite happily over here for some time but he has recently taken to following me here as well. Whilst ignoring him is the easy answer it's not always as simple as that. I apologise to the other m4/3's forum members for this but he has been getting away with murder for a long time. I only hope the others of his ilk do not start to plague this forum as they do the Oly DSLR forum. Unfortunately I think they will. That forum has been well and truly trashed.
--
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
 
I assume you want to maintain the small size appeal? Use rangefinder lenses. I have Contax G Carl Zeiss 35/2 and 90mm/f2.8. Small and extremely sharp. The 90mm cost a paltry £80 yet is probably one of the best lenses ever made.
I own both Leica M lenses and Contax G lenses and I second what is said concerning the Contax G lenses made by Zeiss, they are very good.

In fact I rarely use the three M lenses I have (35mm F2, 50mm F1.4 and 90mm F2) because they are too heavy for the small mft bodies. I prefer to use the Contax G lenses of which I have the 16mm, 21mm, 28mm, 45mm and 90mm. However there are different things to know when it comes to Contax G lenses :

a) You can't adapt the shorter focal lenses, unless you cut their two plastic tails on the side of the mount; if you cut these protections, then the protruding back lens will be at risk, neither the zoom. Without this risky modification of the lenses, you can only adapt three focal lengths : 35mm, 45mm F2 and 90mm F2.8.

b) Depending on the adapter you get, focusing these lenses can be tricky : they were designed for autofocus, so the adapters are not very smooth to operate. There are different designs available from different producers; some add a little wheel and others a focusing ring. Iv'e got accustomed to the focusing wheel, but many are complaining about it. If you can get a ring it will be better, but from what I've read at Getdpi.com, neither the focusing ring is smooth to operate.

That said, I love the 45mm which is really sharp. The 90mm is not as good, but gives me results on par with the Leica M 90mm F2 and is much lighter.

--
rrr_hhh
 
40mm lenses would work well. Lots to pick from, Zeiss, Leica, Rokkor, Konica, Russian. Most are f2.0 or faster.

Insert swell low light photo of backlit stained glass here.
The more important question is who let you into a church? ;)

To the OP, the Panasonic 20mm hits the sweet spot of performance, cost, and utility for native m43 lenses. If you can afford it, you can't go wrong with that choice.
I sing in the Church Chior! What is that they say about a wolf in sheep's clothing?

The problem with the Panny 20mm is cost. If you are willing to go a bit longer (e.g 40mm) you can get similar quality (maybe better) and speed for less than $100 with legacy glass. If you absolutley need AF, go with the Panny.
What 40mm legacy lens(es) would you recommend for portraiture? For macro? For both uses with the same lens?
 
It's not a good lens, it's a great lens, sharp from the start and in DPR's words, probably the best lens they have ever tested. It will give you the equivalent of 100mm at F2 on FF. You won't find anything better for m4/3's now, or probably ever.
Not if you need it focus sometime between now and Tuesday. Calling it dog slow would be being unfair to the dog...

--
MFBernstein

'Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit.' - Ed Abbey
 
I'd prefer leaving it be, but please lock rather than deleting posts if a decision is made to intervene. All deletion does is alter history and allow whatever offenses occurred to magically disappear. No lessons learned, no examples of past bad acts to reference, no reason not to just fire up another thread down the road.
 

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