The mirror sound is so precious that compact cameras or ones built into cell phones mimic it. However this feature can be disabled.Exactly. Snap the shutter and everyone turns around looking for the perpetrator...
I too turn my camera to mute as I can't stand all the beeps it makes. When I'm with a group of people in a quiet space like a cathedral I find the beeps of their cameras really irritating, even more than a DSLR's shutter sound.Exactly. Snap the shutter and everyone turns around looking for the perpetrator...
My old Olympus OM4 was bad, but good grief my even older Nikon F sounded like a locker door slamming when the mirror flipped up and down.Don, I adore NCIS and watch it religiously.
How about NCIS LA- at the start of the show and every time they come back from commercial break there is that brief B&W still frame, and the "ka-chunk" shutter sound. And it does sound as loud as my old Nikon FTn (which I still have BTW, and it still works). ;-)
I'm in the minority, I know. I'm really sensitive to noise and try to eliminate it whenever possible. But I understand that sometimes the little beeps can be useful.
Candice in PA
Wow. That is noisy. It doesn't sound any quieter than a regular DSLR.I too turn my camera to mute as I can't stand all the beeps it makes. When I'm with a group of people in a quiet space like a cathedral I find the beeps of their cameras really irritating, even more than a DSLR's shutter sound.
As you are sensitive to sound and have mentioned the NEX as a possible camera choice, I'd give it a listen when you handle it. I was with a photography group on Saturday and someone had a NEX 5. To my ears the shutter sounded noisy; especially taking panoramas, when it sounded like a Gatling gun
There is a post here with recordings of the shutter sound.
Certainly it depends on what you are comparing. How about a Samsung NX10 +30mm f2 vs a Nikon D300 and small zoom?These 2 things might be overcome by tech advances, but removing the mirror just doesn't make the entire camera with any lens on it that much smaller. Like here -
(from http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM )
It just doesn't cross that threshold in size into being pocketable - it's not jeans pocketable, it's not jacket or baggy shorts pocketable - nuttin'.
They won't listen to you because that chart is wrong. Even for the G12. Apparently you made some mistake in calculating the focal lengths because all the ones I know of are wrong in your chart.Getting tired of waiting for Canon to make something to compete in the compact APS mirrorless realm...
Getting tired of making charts and diagrams...
If only... Canon... would listen to me...
Never. I hope the G seriens never turns into 4/3. Larger sensor means larger lens. With a 4/3 sensor you will need quite a large lense to cover 28-140mm equivalence.
That's...not 100% true. The p7000 has a longer zoom lens (200mm vs 140mm) but the camera is almost exactly the same size as the g12, isn't it?
--They won't listen to you because that chart is wrong. Even for the G12. Apparently you made some mistake in calculating the focal lengths because all the ones I know of are wrong in your chart.Getting tired of waiting for Canon to make something to compete in the compact APS mirrorless realm...
Getting tired of making charts and diagrams...
If only... Canon... would listen to me...
What I say is entirely the truth.
Again, you misunderstood me.
Sorry, my bad.
When you put the millimetres in such chart it is a bit misleading. Firstly, you need the hight as well and secondly first when you pick up the camera you really feel the size of it. Some people think the G series is large already... pick up any of thoses mirrorless cameras with a lens and you will see what I mean.
To me that's not very interesting without equivalent lenses because in the nd, you will need lenses as well and if you want to take images which requires a longer focal range all those cameras fall short of the G12 and the P7000. Those large sensor cameras are winners only when you are happy with a single wide(ish) angle pancakes.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=37857534&refresh=444
A bit misleading information. A camera body is totally useless without a lens. A working T-Ford is considerably faster than a Ferrari without wheels.
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You took the time to either hunt down or take comparison pictures, so I don't mean to sound like one of "those people" who's just making a snarky reply...but comparing sizes between one camera with a prime and the other with a zoom isn't exactly a fair comparison...
That looks like a closer and fairer comparison. Is that the newest Olympus lens that's a little smaller and lighter? To be fair, the latest Nikon's are a little bit smaller than the previous gen - here's the d3100 vs the d5000 -Or EP-1+14-42 vs a small NIkon and 18-55?
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lol, I think you're a bit mistaking my perspective. I agree with the general philosophy of what you're writing. The one part I disagree with is just the idea that it's impossible to make a g12 with a somewhat bigger sensor but the same body size. Just because they currently make it with a certain size lens doesn't necessarily mean that is the absolute smallest they could make the lens. Just look at the s95 - before it came out one might think it wasn't physically possible to make a camera that small with a sensor the size that it has. And the p7000 demonstrates concretely that the g12 could have more zoom with the same form factor and lens specs.
lol, couldn't possibly agree with you more there, I have the same thing - if it's not small enough to be easy to carry, there's little point for my shooting habits in bringing anything other than a dslr, something that's smaller than a dslr but still big enough it has to be carried around the neck or in it's own separate bag doesn't buy me anything over the dslr either, for my habits and preferences, to.
Yes, but like I said, apples and oranges. You compared the camera bodies without lenses with two cameras with lenses , or in the best case with totally different lenses . That is in my opinion pointless.
Right. Photographed from the front, not from above and the lenses are not comparable with the G12 28-140mm equivalent and even less the P7000 28-200mm equivalent lens.
