3880 question . . . .

Can this printer cover the whole surface of a 17x22" sheet?
Yeah but you have to do it right. On the Mac at least, Borderless is achieved when you select one of the Borderless paper sizes when you set up the print job. If you do not choose a Borderless size it will print with margins. Also there are two Borderless sizes for each paper size: Retain Size and Auto Expand. If you do not want your file to be enlarged, you must choose Retain Size. So for example you would choose the paper size "17 x 22 in (Borderless - (Retain Size))"

In addition I have found borderless to be a little flaky in some apps like InDesign where it just won't do it. I think it might work OK in Photoshop, though. I just don't use borderless much.
 
the 38xx will only do borderless on certain paper sizes defined by Epson in the driver s/w itself. You cannot just simply specify a random size and get borderless.
 
Thanks to everyone!

Yah, I am on the Mac, and I was going to make PDFs from InDesign, but I can open them in Photoshop CS3 to print.

I still didn't set up the printer and thought that Pro means that it comes with a RIP.
I'll survive either way; I'm only printing personal work.

Oh, another question, since everyone is so nice and the reward for good work is… more work ; ) what is the best resolution at which I should sharpen and print?

Thank you again!
 
I think you are all crazy for leaving your printers on all the time. The print head will not park properly and that will lead to clogs. The new printer, as discussed thoroughly before, willl always use more ink on the first several times you turn it off and on because it is going through a priming of ink carts program. ITS NORMAL. Yes, it uses up more ink to do this. THAT IS NORMAL. After several times of turning the printer on and off (not sure precisely how many), it will eventually stop doing this program. If You want a happy printer , let it do what it's suppose to do. Turn it off at the button.

I bought two printers within a short period of time and I was able to observe how they behave when new. Oh, and the intructions also tell you (its one line) that the first set of carts are partly used for priming the printer.

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hmm… back to test mode : )

do you know if this limitation is caused by both hardware and soft?
I understand the bottom (gripper) and maybe top (need to be flush)
but sides?
I don't know about the 3880 specifically, but at least with some Epson printers borderless can only be done with paper widths that coincide with waste ink wells located only at specific locations. The heads necessarily must continue spraying ink when the last nozzle is still over the paper and the rest are beyond it.

As for which papers, I have a Service Manual for the 3880 and it has an awesome chart. But I can't see any pattern that indicates why one is supported and another is not. Charts are hard to format here, so I'm going to list by paper type the various sizes. It is much easier to see of copied to a chart.

Velvet Fine Art: Letter, Super B, A2, US-C
Ultra Smooth Fine Art: Super B, A2, US-C
Watercolor Radiant White: Super B
Archival Matte / Enhanced Matte: A4, A3, A2, Super B, US-C
Proofing, Semi Matte, Commercal Semi Matte: Super B
Photo Quality Inkjet: Letter, Legal, A4
Singleweight Matte: Super B
Premium Luster: Letter, A3, SuperB, US-C
Premium Semi Glossy: 4x6, Letter, A4, A3, A2, SuperB, US-C

Premium Glossy: 89mmX127mm, 5x7, 102mmx148mm, 8x10, 4x6, 11x14, Letter, A4, A3, A2, SuperB, US-C
 
I think you are all crazy for leaving your printers on all the time. The print head will not park properly and that will lead to clogs.
I don't find that credible. I don't own a 3880, but every Epson printer that I have own parks the heads after a timeout period of inactivity.

As for turning a printer off, the only reason I can imagine for doing that is if you have no choice. It can't be moved, for example, without unplugging it, so it should be turned off first. For "normal" operation, even when a printer is not being used, there simply is no technical reason to turn it off. You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.

On the other hand, it isn't going to hurt the printer to turn it off. And if that makes the owner feel good... do it! Just don't kid yourself that it helps the printer as opposed to the owner.
 
what is the best resolution at which I should sharpen and print?
The Epson printer prints at 360 pixels per inch. (Actually it can put down 720 DPI dots too, in a single pass, and can do 1440, 2880, and maybe 5760 too but has to make multiple passes to avoid smearing.)

The upshot of that is that regardless of the size and resolution of the image you send to the printer, either the driver or the printer is necessarily going to set the resolution to 360 PPI and rescale it to the size requested. There are consequences of that which 1) might not make any difference for less than the highest quality prints, and 2) might not be obvious unless you know exactly what to look for, but are 3) significant if you want the highest possible quality.

First, if an image is downsized the effect is much like a low pass filter (the opposite of sharpening) in that it removes high frequency spacial detail and replaces it with low acutance edges. Images resized for viewing on the web, for example, have that effect. It means that high pass sharpening is less effective and Unsharp Mask is more effective. It also means that doing either of those before the image is resized causes erratic results and should be avoided. That would apply to images printed at small sizes too.

For images that are not resized, high pass sharpening is relatively effective and can boost some of the high frequency spacial detail that is closer to the upper limit of the capture hardware. For an image that is upsized, the process interpolates image data that did not originally exist and therefore cannot contain higher frequencies than the data it came from. Because of that the HP Sharpen process will have a more dramatic effect.

The significant point of the two above paragraphs is that the effect of sharpening, and the amount that should be used, varies greatly with how an image is scaled from the original size. The scaling, particularly if not done an even integer multiple (2x, 4x, 8x and so on) has an erratic effect on high frequency detail, which means you cannot judge how much is "right" if it is done before the image is scaled to a different size.

The simple answer is scale the image to the desired size at 360 DPI (for Epson, and 300 DPI for Canon or HP) before you use high pass sharpen or unsharp mask on the image.
 
if you print less than once a day, then turn it off. My "x" works at Epson and thinks this conversation is hilarious. There is no real benifit to leaving it on for long periods without use, and there is always a consumption of electricity as well due to power to the main board.

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Aristoc wrote:

You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.
Then, I wonder why the Engineers decided to include an ON/OFF switch on the printers. Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
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Vernon

Just to be clear your question is directed at apaflo because that is not my quote below.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not my quote*
Aristoc wrote:

You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.
Then, I wonder why the Engineers decided to include an ON/OFF switch on the printers. Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
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You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.
Then, I wonder why the Engineers decided to include an ON/OFF switch on the printers. Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
The ON/OFF switch is there to allow it to be powered down before it is moved or when maintenance is to done!

To put my comments into perspective, I am retired but worked in operations and maintenance of telecommunications equipment for almost 40 years. High reliability for the operation of electronics equipment is a topic that I have extensive professional experience with. That said...

The cost of electricity to run a printer 24 hours a day is virtually nothing. Big printers take up perhaps 50 watts when printing, but only 5 watts when idle. If you have relatively expensive electric power, at say 10 cent per KwH, it will be 2000 hour before it costs 1 dollar. That's 3 months. Actually, that works out to $4.38 per year for idle time power usage.

Second, the stress of powering up an electronic equipment is far greater than that of allowing it to simply run. Voltage and current peaks when the power is initially applied are the primary cause for failures in that type of equipment. (That assumes fans are functioning and filters are cleaned at appropriate intervals.)

There are potenial advantages to power cycling such equipment, but they are all probably best limited to when there is an obvious indication of some need. Particularly modern equipment that use microprocessors to control devices can benefit from a CPU restart. With some equipment the only way to accomplish that is a power cycle. With higher end printers it can be assumed that the "Reset" button on the panel will work. Lower end printers might benefit from going through the self test routine, which for example might include nozzle cleaning. Ideally a user would do nozzle cleaning as needed, but if they don't then an occasional power cycle does it for them.

All in all, if you perform appropriate maintenance there is virtually no benefit to powering down a printer every day or even every month. And obviously while I originally said there probably is no harm done if it is turned off, rest assured that while the harm isn't great it most certainly does happen and is far greater than any harm from 24 hour a day operation for an entire year.

Incidentally, I have three computers in front of me, and the uptime for each is 141, 167, and 209 days. The 209 figure would be time to the last power failure, the other two have had hardware maintenance done on them. I have on occasion over the years had personal computers that went more than 400 days between reboots.
 
You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.
Then, I wonder why the Engineers decided to include an ON/OFF switch on the printers. Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
The ON/OFF switch is there to allow it to be powered down before it is moved or when maintenance is to done!

To put my comments into perspective, I am retired but worked in operations and maintenance of telecommunications equipment for almost 40 years. High reliability for the operation of electronics equipment is a topic that I have extensive professional experience with. That said...

The cost of electricity to run a printer 24 hours a day is virtually nothing. Big printers take up perhaps 50 watts when printing, but only 5 watts when idle. If you have relatively expensive electric power, at say 10 cent per KwH, it will be 2000 hour before it costs 1 dollar. That's 3 months. Actually, that works out to $4.38 per year for idle time power usage.

Second, the stress of powering up an electronic equipment is far greater than that of allowing it to simply run. Voltage and current peaks when the power is initially applied are the primary cause for failures in that type of equipment. (That assumes fans are functioning and filters are cleaned at appropriate intervals.)

There are potenial advantages to power cycling such equipment, but they are all probably best limited to when there is an obvious indication of some need. Particularly modern equipment that use microprocessors to control devices can benefit from a CPU restart. With some equipment the only way to accomplish that is a power cycle. With higher end printers it can be assumed that the "Reset" button on the panel will work. Lower end printers might benefit from going through the self test routine, which for example might include nozzle cleaning. Ideally a user would do nozzle cleaning as needed, but if they don't then an occasional power cycle does it for them.

All in all, if you perform appropriate maintenance there is virtually no benefit to powering down a printer every day or even every month. And obviously while I originally said there probably is no harm done if it is turned off, rest assured that while the harm isn't great it most certainly does happen and is far greater than any harm from 24 hour a day operation for an entire year.

Incidentally, I have three computers in front of me, and the uptime for each is 141, 167, and 209 days. The 209 figure would be time to the last power failure, the other two have had hardware maintenance done on them. I have on occasion over the years had personal computers that went more than 400 days between reboots.
I will again repeat the main parts of my previous inquiry. for which the above does not address.

We all have some type of background which effetely has little to no bearing on the inquiry. I have been in Computers and electronics starting in 1952 but that has no significance on the subject.

Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
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You are applying your experience in utilities to make conclusions on this?

Ever since I go my computer/monitor/printer and signed up to flickr, my hydro bill increased about $20 per month.
You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.
Then, I wonder why the Engineers decided to include an ON/OFF switch on the printers. Will you please list the link (or other documented reference) regarding the information (above) regarding "what the Design Engineers intended.

I have used 4 different models of Epson printers over the past 8 years, the latest being the 3880; and never have I had the pleasure to actually read any specific information published by Epson regarding leaving the Epson Printers ON all the time
The ON/OFF switch is there to allow it to be powered down before it is moved or when maintenance is to done!

To put my comments into perspective, I am retired but worked in operations and maintenance of telecommunications equipment for almost 40 years. High reliability for the operation of electronics equipment is a topic that I have extensive professional experience with. That said...

The cost of electricity to run a printer 24 hours a day is virtually nothing. Big printers take up perhaps 50 watts when printing, but only 5 watts when idle. If you have relatively expensive electric power, at say 10 cent per KwH, it will be 2000 hour before it costs 1 dollar. That's 3 months. Actually, that works out to $4.38 per year for idle time power usage.

Second, the stress of powering up an electronic equipment is far greater than that of allowing it to simply run. Voltage and current peaks when the power is initially applied are the primary cause for failures in that type of equipment. (That assumes fans are functioning and filters are cleaned at appropriate intervals.)

There are potenial advantages to power cycling such equipment, but they are all probably best limited to when there is an obvious indication of some need. Particularly modern equipment that use microprocessors to control devices can benefit from a CPU restart. With some equipment the only way to accomplish that is a power cycle. With higher end printers it can be assumed that the "Reset" button on the panel will work. Lower end printers might benefit from going through the self test routine, which for example might include nozzle cleaning. Ideally a user would do nozzle cleaning as needed, but if they don't then an occasional power cycle does it for them.

All in all, if you perform appropriate maintenance there is virtually no benefit to powering down a printer every day or even every month. And obviously while I originally said there probably is no harm done if it is turned off, rest assured that while the harm isn't great it most certainly does happen and is far greater than any harm from 24 hour a day operation for an entire year.

Incidentally, I have three computers in front of me, and the uptime for each is 141, 167, and 209 days. The 209 figure would be time to the last power failure, the other two have had hardware maintenance done on them. I have on occasion over the years had personal computers that went more than 400 days between reboots.
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Thank you!
I used to use 180 resolution on earlier printers.
360 sounds better and I will use it for detail critical pictures.

I keep a Photoshop file with high pass sharpening in grayscale on the top layer at final size.
I remake that layer alone if I resize.
 
I don't know about other printers, but my 4800 always asks if I want to do a cleaning and I can press Y or N. It doesn't automatically do them.
Jules
The newer Epson pro printers should be pretty smart about that. They should not waste ink on unneeded cleanings because they should be timing how long it was since the last one and not doing a cleaning if the last one was pretty recent.

The one way to completely botch this is to turn off an Epson printer at the power strip instead of with the power switch on the printer itself. If you turn it off at the printer, it properly records its state and should not incur unnecessary cleanings on startup. But if it is on when you unplug it or turn off a power strip, it considers that an incorrect shutdown and thinks it has to check everything just to make sure, and that includes a cleaning whether it needs it or not. Someone who turns off an Epson at the power strip every day is probably going to waste ink constantly.
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I have never printed a bled off (marginless)print with any printer. Doesn't the ink make a mess inside the printer around the edges?
Jules
Yes it will cover the whole 17X22 sheet with no borders.

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All the printers I have owned have not acted any differently at the first switch on compared to later. I believe that these set up starts are done at the factory.

I never switch my 4800 of unless I am away from it for more that a couple of weeks. which means it is on most of the year and has been for the 3-4 years i have owned it with virtually no clogging problems.
Jules
I think you are all crazy for leaving your printers on all the time. The print head will not park properly and that will lead to clogs. The new printer, as discussed thoroughly before, willl always use more ink on the first several times you turn it off and on because it is going through a priming of ink carts program. ITS NORMAL. Yes, it uses up more ink to do this. THAT IS NORMAL. After several times of turning the printer on and off (not sure precisely how many), it will eventually stop doing this program. If You want a happy printer , let it do what it's suppose to do. Turn it off at the button.

I bought two printers within a short period of time and I was able to observe how they behave when new. Oh, and the intructions also tell you (its one line) that the first set of carts are partly used for priming the printer.

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The heads do park properly when power is on.
jules
I think you are all crazy for leaving your printers on all the time. The print head will not park properly and that will lead to clogs.
I don't find that credible. I don't own a 3880, but every Epson printer that I have own parks the heads after a timeout period of inactivity.

As for turning a printer off, the only reason I can imagine for doing that is if you have no choice. It can't be moved, for example, without unplugging it, so it should be turned off first. For "normal" operation, even when a printer is not being used, there simply is no technical reason to turn it off. You can be assured that the design engineers intended the printer to be power up 24/7, and have incorporated the necessary firmware routines etc to allow that to be the best way to operate the machine. That is true of the consumer models too, but keep in mind the 3880 is a commercial model. Probably the vast majority of working 3880's are never powered down.

On the other hand, it isn't going to hurt the printer to turn it off. And if that makes the owner feel good... do it! Just don't kid yourself that it helps the printer as opposed to the owner.
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