X100 at WPPI

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There was steady stream of people, me among them, interested in the X100 at WPPI in Vegas from Monday to Wednesday of this week.

I was impressed with the camera although I wish I had been a little better, or quicker, at figuring out how do do the settings. It's not that the camera is complicated, it is not, it's just that you don't feel you have much time when people are waiting for you to finish so they can play with it and I had to wait for at least 15 minutes to get the chance to play with it. .

The Fuji guy let me put in my SDHC card and shoot a few photos. I screwed up, actually the Fuji guy did cause I never got to actually see where he set it, because I asked for iso 6,400 but it seems that what i got was 640(see the second photo-first photo was shot at 1,600)

The camera is substantial, it is easy to hold and easy to shoot with. Focus is a little tricky but i think thats because I was not used to how it works. Out of 10 shots 2 were completely OOF and I'm sure it was my stupidity and not the cameras falut

I was shhooting hand held with "show" light levels-some filtered outdoor light, some tungsten lights and some flourescent light- and the exif data is included with the files.

I believe an important point needs to be made about shooting with this kind of camera. If I were to use it at a reception there would not be an issue with shooting groups as it is plenty wide. However, if you move in and get a close up of someones face, for example, their nose is exaggerated compared to their ears and you get the well worn out close up wide angle lens look. (When I was first learning photography in the late 60's and early 70's, close up photos with fish eye lenses were so popular.)

I shot more than 50 weddings with the Fuji S1 and that had 3MP of data. Therefore, if i back up and put the subject into approximately the center 1/9 to 1/6 of the frame, i will be able to get, by cropping, 3MP of image quality and since the lens of the X100 is significantly improved over my lens of that era, I should be able to at least match the quality I got with the S1. I have cropped both images here for you to look at and I would be comfortable using that quality in an album, particularly if they were of reception shots where the image rarely goes over 4x6.

I am not sure how much you can tell from the images I am posting but they are shot by me and I am completely satisfied with what the camera delivers. I believe i can use that camera as a zoom that I do in my head before i shoot and crop it later. In other words the image quality from the 35mm equivalent focal length all th eway to at least 100 mm equivalent focal length, or more properly field of view, is completely acceptable to me. I am miffed that i did not get the iso 6,400.

(I deleted the ladies face as she was a show attendee and did not realize her photo was being taken.)



a crop of that photo is next



and a further crop that is beyond where I would be comfortable going.



I figure the Fuji representatives are fair game for photos so I didn't delete his face



I don't know what happened to the aspect ratio but all of the second round of shots were at aproximately 2 to 1, rather than 3 to 2. Obviously a setting in the camera ...



and finally a closer crop for the pixel peepers to complain about....



A word about the color adn DR. Clearly the camera does not have the DR of the S5. I won't bother showing you that but it isn't even close. However, the color are very much in the range of colors that have come to be known as Fuji's colors. Remember the lighting here is some outdoor, some thugsten and some Flourescent so it is a very tough color balance environment and it changes dramatically as your subject changes locations just slightly.
 
Thanks for the images and your impressions.

I wouldn't declare yet that it doesn't have more DR than the S cameras. Fuji has stated that the X100 will have much more dynamic range than any camera they have made so far, and you are working with jpegs, not raw.

It might not have as much as the s3/5 but that remains to be seen with objective measurements by DXOmark and those of us with one, and using Raw files, not jpegs.
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Looks like you did get 6400 and the firmware doesn't record it correctly yet (saw this happen on another guy's photos, from what I could tell).

Your first image is f/2.8 at 1/140 at ISO 1600. Unless it's in a way dimmer portion of the venue (I'm assuming she was just in a different direction than the employee in the 2nd image) the lighting had to be similar. Your second image is at f/2 (one stop faster, but then 1/550 which is almost 2x less light. (1 and 2/3 stop I think) This would mean either there was a ridiculous brightness difference from one shot to the next, or that the 2nd was indeed at 6400 and the firmware just puts it in the exif as 640.

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Agreed it was JPG but the JPGs are not even close to what the s3/s5 delivers in DR in the over exposue range in JPG.

I would be delighted to be wrong about DR and have the RAW be as good as the S3/S5. That would make it close to a perfect camera.
 
Well if it was actually 6,400 that image is just plane impressive.

You are correct that the light levels were very similar.
 
If you have images from the S5 to show from the same area it would be interesting to see the difference. I obviously can't claim you are wrong, having not held an x100 or shot with one yet, but let's just say I haven't seen Fuji fib yet on any of their x100 marketing material, and I want very much to believe them when they say the x100 has the most DR of any camera they've made yet, because the s3 and s5 do indeed have impressive DR.
Agreed it was JPG but the JPGs are not even close to what the s3/s5 delivers in DR in the over exposue range in JPG.

I would be delighted to be wrong about DR and have the RAW be as good as the S3/S5. That would make it close to a perfect camera.
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These are at ISO 6400????? Wow!!!!!!! I mean, just WOW! With my Canon 40D I hardly ever go above ISO 1000 and I've only used ISO1600 a handful of times. ISO 6400? I am speechless. Amazing.


and finally a closer crop for the pixel peepers to complain about....

 
These are at ISO 6400????? Wow!!!!!!! I mean, just WOW! With my Canon 40D I hardly ever go above ISO 1000 and I've only used ISO1600 a handful of times. ISO 6400? I am speechless. Amazing.
Now I hope it's obvious why so many are excited about this little camera. Fuji has a winner on their hands for sure.

Here is the snippet about Dynamic range from their marketing material:

The newly developed EXR Processor takes EXR processing to new heights. Combined with the high-sensitivity sensor, the EXR Processor achieves the highest resolution, sensitivity and dynamic range ever produced by a FinePix camera for the ultimate in image quality every single shot.

At first I was trying to make sure that "finepix" wasn't the category of only their pocket cameras, but the s3 and s5 are both "finepix" cameras as well.

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Gotta wait another month or so......
 
Well, if, and that is a big if, these are ISO 6400 and the exif is incorrect I for one would be very impressed and, indeed, stores will not be able to keep these on the shelves (so to speak). I await the tests.....and, btw, if the fellow with the pre-production unit is watching, please tell us what you have found...

Bob
Well if it was actually 6,400 that image is just plane impressive.

You are correct that the light levels were very similar.
 
You can't judge DR from ISO 1600 (or even ISO 6400). DR gets drastically worse at higher ISO ... IMHO S3/S5 at ISO1600 would have much worse DR than this ...
 
I'm impressed. The IQ is about what I expected and can happily deal with. I'm from the old analog(film) days and a single fixed lens. "Foot-zooming" doesn't bother me. It's the Henri Carter Bresson way. He did okay. Most of the concerns about this camera have been pretty much debunked by some several knowledgeable people on the forums, including DP Review, to the point I have no hesitation about buying this camera. It's already pre-ordered and I'm waitin'...
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These are the most telling and flattering sample pix from the X100 I have seen so far - by a wide margin.

I will ask the shaman to stop beating me. I will never be worthy of this camera.
 
I'm truely sorry, I am trying to like this camera; but I just don't see it.

All these shots are soft, the white balance and color's off, all exhibit very poor dynamic range with horribly blown highlights. They appear very soft and out of focus to me and there is a strange coarseness and flatness to them. These are not technical terms, I know. I am not a gear head, I am a professional creative photographer. So far I haven't seen anything from this camera that would light my fire.
 
The S1, S2, S3 & S5 are designated "FinePix Pro" by Fuji to signify their pro line of cameras. Fuji uses the designation "FinePix" for only its point and shoot level of cameras and so their statement is oddly correct while being a bit misleading.

Its correct as the X100 probably will have better DR than any previous Fuji point and shoot, but it certainly doesn't meet the capability of the FinePix Pro cameras. (S1 thru S5) That also makes their marketing hype a bit misleading as it has customers like you fooled into thinking the X100 will equal or surpass the DR of the Fuji Pro DSLR line.

btw, who in their right mind would intentionally shoot ISO 6400 in a bright trade show environment anyway? At least that explains the coarseness I see. Show me a shot done in dim lighting @ 6400 and then lets talk pro.
 
Sample picture close up of Fuji salesman, viewed in FastStone Image Viewer shows EXIF data as follows. 1/550 sec, f2, Exposure Bias -1 EV, ISO 640.
These are at ISO 6400????? Wow!!!!!!! I mean, just WOW! With my Canon 40D I hardly ever go above ISO 1000 and I've only used ISO1600 a handful of times. ISO 6400? I am speechless. Amazing.


and finally a closer crop for the pixel peepers to complain about....

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Don
 
Very doubtful that the X100 will not have better DR than the S1 or S2. In fact, there's no APS-C sensor made today that doesn't exceed those camera's sensors in nearly every measure.

The S3 and S5, they're a different story. The X100 is very likely to have better high ISO, as the S3/5 weren't that great, but the S3/S5's DR today is only bested by a very few cameras, and no camera beats the way the S3/5 handle highlights. I know, as I've owned every one of those cameras through the S3.

I predict that the X100 will have good DR, not like a Pentax K5, but good, very good high ISO, but not as good as a K5, and a stellar lens, one of the best semi-wide angles ever made.
The S1, S2, S3 & S5 are designated "FinePix Pro" by Fuji to signify their pro line of cameras. Fuji uses the designation "FinePix" for only its point and shoot level of cameras and so their statement is oddly correct while being a bit misleading.

Its correct as the X100 probably will have better DR than any previous Fuji point and shoot, but it certainly doesn't meet the capability of the FinePix Pro cameras. (S1 thru S5) That also makes their marketing hype a bit misleading as it has customers like you fooled into thinking the X100 will equal or surpass the DR of the Fuji Pro DSLR line.

btw, who in their right mind would intentionally shoot ISO 6400 in a bright trade show environment anyway? At least that explains the coarseness I see. Show me a shot done in dim lighting @ 6400 and then lets talk pro.
 
ISO 640, wide open @ f2 required 1/550 second for a stationary subject and a little -EV to knock the exposure down a little? Wake me when a professional shooter posts a few samples here. Geeeze!
 

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