Why can't we put things in perspective...?

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Hi folks:

Hope all is well in your individual lives - no matter what part of the globe you reside at.

As a backdrop - as some of you know, I've been a long-time poster (since around 2002) and up to last year "had" acquired 71 digital cameras that I elected to keep (yes, I was a collector - but I used them all). And this is not to mention the other 20 - 30 cameras that I had at one time but subsequently sold. However, realizing that "too much was just too much," I wound up selling 80% of my cams over the past 7 - 8 months and I'm down to a comfortable 10 or so (I know, I know...don't laugh). And since that time I've hardly posted at all. It's actually healthy to stay away from the forums at times. I've posted perhaps once a month or once every few months.

What brings me to this post is that I've experimented with a wide variety of cameras (from many brands) over the years - that includes digicams, enthusiast models, and DSLR's. And although I've always preferred the "traditional" Olympus color tonality, I've also come to appreciate the advances offered by other brands. So in this sense, I've never really been a staunch fan-boy of any one brand.

Having said that, I will admit that I've been on Oly's case for some time now - in particular, my rants began after they ceased production of their beloved Camedia series of digicams (most notably the 5050, 5060, 7070 ,7000 and 8080 models). Since then nothing but an ongoing series of "me too" models were released in pretty bodies - yet seriously lacking in superb IQ (save perhaps for the SP-350 and SP-570 models - who had great IQ also).

Now that Olympus has released the XZ-1 I really am encouraged to know that they have "seen the light" and have elected to once again compete in the enthusiasts digicam market. But folks - you've got to understand that there are limitations to any digicam (not talkin' micro 4/3 or DSLR's here). When you have an advanced enthusiasts model, you will be limited in certain areas - I've always realized that and I don't fool myself into thinking that somehow I'm getting a DSLR in a very small package - that just isn't the case. So, as was the case with the many digicams that I've owned, I make the best of each model - learning their strengths and weaknesses and then using the cams in their best performance envelopes.

Now I realize everyone has their preferences and they have a right to complain about a particular model (hell, look at me over the past 4 - 5 years), but in some cases...purchasing a particular model - then using it for 30 minutes or so and then returning the camera...seems a bit - well, errrrrr premature (wouldn't ya think).

Over the past 10 years I've used some cameras that I initially assumed would wind up to be total duds - only to give them time (both for the camera and for me to fully understand all aspects of each model) and wallaaaaa....in the majority of cases, the cameras turned out to be real gems. A recent case-in-point is that 4 - 5 months ago I picked up the new Nikon P7000 (a 10 MP solid magnesium-bodied enthusiasts cam) and immediately found that it had tons of issues. It would have been easy for me to return the camera, but I took my time to learn the camera thoroughly (although I complained about some of the issues on the Nikon forum). Nikon subsequently reacted quickly and released a firmware update that took care of some of the major issues (kudo's to them for doing so in such a timely manner) and now this P7000 has become a fine photographic instrument (prerequisite photo of my cat below taken with the P7000 and SB-400 flash in bounce mode):



Now I must admit that I'm a "RAW" shooter and will only shoot JPG's if a particular model doesn't have RAW capabilities. From what I've seen this XZ-1 is capable of producing images that seriously rival many a DSLR (within it's design parameters). But what I've found really interesting here is that well-taken (notice I said well-taken here) images exhibit intangible qualities not often easy put to words. I've seen some XZ-1 images that have that "you are there" palpable image quality that is often missing with so many digicams. By "Palpable," I am saying that they have the ability to make you look right into the scenes (making you momentarily forget that you are looking at a photo). And formal review-after-review (for the most part) has given this XZ-1 very high marks.

Now as to the "JPG NR smearing issue," I don't know what to say here. There was one demo XZ-1 at a local camera store here. I brought along an SD card and fired off some 40 shots or so - took them home and was impressed (both in RAW and JPG so I could pixel peep). I guess to each their own. And yes, once a supply becomes available, I will pick up an XZ-1 - that's for sure. Not being a techno-weenie, I don't know if Oly can (would) release a firmware update that can address compression and NR levels for JPG images. Only those of you with engineering or electronics backgrounds could speculate accurately on this. The key here is to complain directly to Olympus (not just on the forum). If Oly doesn't get feedback directly, they will just react with indifference.

So for those of you who have the XZ-1 and enjoy yours - good for you! For those who got one but immediately sent it back....I would say that perhaps you (may) have reacted a bit prematurely unless there was actually something wrong with your copy(ies).

Have a great day!

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You make good and interesting points in your post Ben. Kudos to you.
Now as to the "JPG NR smearing issue," I don't know what to say here. There was one demo XZ-1 at a local camera store here. I brought along an SD card and fired off some 40 shots or so - took them home and was impressed (both in RAW and JPG so I could pixel peep). I guess to each their own. And yes, once a supply becomes available, I will pick up an XZ-1 - that's for sure. Not being a techno-weenie, I don't know if Oly can (would) release a firmware update that can address compression and NR levels for JPG images. Only those of you with engineering or electronics backgrounds could speculate accurately on this. The key here is to complain directly to Olympus (not just on the forum). If Oly doesn't get feedback directly, they will just react with indifference.
I have not used the XZ-1 but from what I have seen and heard I am not sure the smearing issue is NR related and I think consumers may have been premature in the theory that it is. I see that one fellow even wrote about it ~
I have not been able to make it disappear by shooting RAW.
If that be the case how could it be NR. At least NR should not effect a RAW file and I would not think NR is stuck 'ON' even when shooting RAW. God forbid that I have not just started the 'XZ-1 NR is stuck on rumor' with that comment.

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KimR
 
Excellent and well thought out post!
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Flaming June from Georgia

"She glances at the photo, and the pilot light of memory flickers in her eyes." Frank Deford
 
I must admit Ben that I have been missing your usually interesting and well thought out posts. Your post here is proof of quality.

You helped me a lot several years ago with flash photography and we could always use your expertise and observations. Please do stop by more often. We need more posts from you and fewer from some others. :-)
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Ol' Don in Broken Arrow
 
speaking of flash tutorials, etc., a few weeks ago I sent out one of those flash tutorials in PDF format to a lady in Sweden who had requested it (gosh, the net really makes this a small world, doesn't it?).

Anyway, I hadn't heard from her after that. But just yesterday she emailed me back with tons of samples and many thanks - the samples of which were all absolutely outstanding (as if a professional did them). She goes on to say that within a matter of weeks she went from not knowing anything about flash to mastering it and then adding her own tweaks here and there to the tutorial (which is what I tell people to do).

Gosh, now it looks like I could learn a thing or two from her - she is that good. That made me feel good.
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Good day to you Ben, I'm always glad to read your posts..

I'm still using your process to do flash photography...I thank you every time I look at the shots of somebody's event I have attended.

Take care

:-)

Carlos
 
thanks for putting things into perspective. But now you've gotten my attention with that flash tutorial. I have been experimenting recently with flash and homemade bounce cards and now I am very curious about your tutorial. Could you, by any chance, post a link here so we can all benefit?
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I can really only speak for myself, but I've found it incredibly useful and helpful all the comments and nitpicking and examining the XZ-1 under a microscope. You see I don't really know much about high end dSLR setups, expensive lenses and cool features unique to each brand, but a lot of you do. After reading reviews I knew the following which was enough to make me buy it:

1.) Can take some really nice shots
2.) Has Bokeh
3.) Pretty good in low light
4.) Compact size

I think equally important is understanding the limitations and quirks about the camera. Since I don't have a dSLR I have no point of reference to judge it by. Knowing what this camera CAN do is great, knowing what it CAN'T do will help me not only to work with the camera's limitations, but will be extremely helpful when it comes time to upgrade to a proper system. That's where OTF comes in. Sure some of the issues don't seem that important to me now, but by seeing what other people dislike about a camera, I can better judge my own position on the issue. I'm just glad that those of you that have spent thousands of dollars on high end equipment would chime in on such a camera because you know and have used the best of the best. It has been extremely helpful, and extremely educational for us greenhorns. Thank you!
 
Well put. A CAT! I'm not a cat fan, but a nice pic anyway. And to each his own. Hope you post again soon.
 
Go to my profile - my email address is up there and I'll respond.
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Ben,finally somebody with a rational post well written. What I have always said is a camera does not take pictures a photographer takes them. I have seen many great pictures with cheap cameras.

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Danno
 
I'll agree!
 
please just email me (go to my profile for email address). I say this because these requests often come in spurts and since I'm providing the tutorial, I don't want to have to constantly research what your email addresses are (so I kindly ask that you not send me dpreview messages or reply here that you'd like a copy).

I'll be more than happy to send them out the moment I get an email from you - thus I can reply quickly.

Thanks for your understanding...

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Thanks for your wise input, Ben.

Regards,
Tony

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Scene: Han Solo saying his farewells after getting captured…

Princess Leia: “I love you Hans!!”
Han Solo: “I know, I know…”
Chewbacca: “Urrgghh, graaagghh…”
Han Solo: “…now THAT I didn’t know…”

– Robot Chicken Star Wars II –

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I have not used the XZ-1 but from what I have seen and heard I am not sure the smearing issue is NR related and I think consumers may have been premature in the theory that it is. I see that one fellow even wrote about it ~
I have not been able to make it disappear by shooting RAW.
If that be the case how could it be NR. At least NR should not effect a RAW file and I would not think NR is stuck 'ON' even when shooting RAW. God forbid that I have not just started the 'XZ-1 NR is stuck on rumor' with that comment.
I did raw tests the other night and turning off the Noise Filter and Noise Reduction settings in Olympus Viewer does bring up less smearing and a touch more clarity.

Apologies. Not had time to upload them.

Regards,
Tony

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Scene: Han Solo saying his farewells after getting captured…

Princess Leia: “I love you Hans!!”
Han Solo: “I know, I know…”
Chewbacca: “Urrgghh, graaagghh…”
Han Solo: “…now THAT I didn’t know…”

– Robot Chicken Star Wars II –

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/26154011@N07/
 
Excellent...I always enjoy hearing from you...glad you took the time to write to us in Oly land. It's funny...I was thinking of you today, as I was coming home from work. You're the only that I know of on these forums that has so much actual consumer experience with so many different cameras. With that, we can respect your opinions. I do wish more people had your experience with these different cameras of different brands so that they could have a more balanced view of image quality and photography equipment in general.
 
Good photo of the cat, a well mastering of the flash as ususal.
And a good post, I almost forgot to mention.

Cheers,
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Ludwig Wittgenstein; British philosopher born in Austria; a major influence on logic and logical positivism (1889-1951):

“What can be said at all can be said clearly; and whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent”
 
I always enjoy reading your posts : they sound "relaxed", friendly, no arrogance or aggressivity, no "fanboyism" or "trollism" of any kind, always a bit of humor, and they are full of wisdom !

I don't own as many cameras as you :D and the ones I have are only Olympus (E-30, E-500, E-PL1, C-8080) but I have fun shooting with all of them and there's no doubt I would appreciate several cameras of other brands too...

Like you, I don't understand why some people don't give their camera (whatever the brand) enough time to "grow on them" and return it after a few days ...or hours ! If I had done that with my E-PL1, for example (which has its share of limitations, as everybody knows ;)), I would have missed what I consider now as my most enjoyable camera ever.

Regards,

Joseph
 
How about THAT!

A voice of reason in the wilderness...

Nicely said.
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Larry Lynch
Mystic, Connecticut

In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
Oscar Wilde
 

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