Naming your price

Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW

I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots, although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
 
Спасибо большое! :)

(Thanking for all the good wishes in obscure language ;o)


Striking images!
I am sure anyone who looked at your images went to your site to see
what kind of person is behind these provoking and beautifull in a
scary kind of way pictures.
Wish you had more info about yourself there.
Удaчи в
твoрчестве
и нaуке!
Стoлькo
тaлaнтoв в
oднoм
челoвеке этo
неoбыкнoвеннo.
(wishes of luck in our native language- russian;)
 
Or are these photos too dark and freaky? There is clearly an enormous amount of internal strife, doom-n-gloom and suicidal tendencies going on here. I genuinely hope Asya will be OK.

Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
 
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
--Well said, i wish I could take pictures like her quality.

Tanglefoot1947 5700
 
suicidal tendencies That was a good band.

990ocity, O think there are the two sides to the coin thing? can't have light without dark etc etc.

For some, I think art is an escape of feelings that may or may not have anything to do with the artists own personal view. I am glad you put your opinion down, doesn't mean I agree but that is your right and all that stuff.

I saw humor and light in many of the photos, were I guess you saw dark and freaky?

I recently had some very large scale prints done of a series I did, and the staff at the printing place though they were super creapy? They were pictures of a kids monkey tooth brush holder? Guess when they saw it that big (30x22) they saw something new? I loved the reaction, as it means they actually "looked" at the stuff and thought about how it related to them, much I think how you did to Asya's stuff.
my view anyway.
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
 
just you 990ocity. I recognise she is a very talented person and I sincerely hope Asya does these more or less for their theatre. It could be that I'm too pragmatic to fully appreciate them. But, that's ok.. I've been too this or that all my life. Asya, I like your work for it's artistic value but when I look art or photographs done in this vein, I want to shake the creator and tell them to get a grip. I realize fully that's not a very nice attitude to have. So goes art and literature. Some people relate to Tom Clancys novels and some to Miguel De Cervantes.

Asya, have fun but don't drop off the deep end. Stay around to create a little controversy now and then... :-)
Jarrell
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
--
5700, 990
 
G....you are right...maybe I'm too opinionated...I work through my church with distraught, down-on-their-luck and truly abused people to try and help out my fellow man and it gives me some perspective....I guess when I see "art" like this, it becomes all too real for me.

As far as music I'm more of a up-beat Jazz, Funk, Blues and R&B kinda guy....
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
 
I am not saying anything is good or bad about these photos. I'm not giving an opinion. I am just saying what I saw when I looked at them the first time. But I didn't have the nerve to go against the 100% approval they were getting. The second one is what bothered me and made me very, very sad. I saw a child that had just been abused, the water indicated it had tried to wash away the shame, and was now horribly distraught and clutching the doll for comfort.
Abuse is such a sickening thing and perhaps I have an over active imagination.

If there is any truth in the above, then I hope help is asked for and received. If this is just drama, then don't let me be a judge on that. The technical work is terrific. But I can't look at these without the above reaction. Joan (a grandmother of three beautiful, but vulnerable granddaughters)
 
For me that sort of looks like the point, i saw evocation of emotion, which surely is the point of photography and art.

Theres some that say you truly have to suffer to be a great artist, maybe so, maybe not, maybe the artist in this case is expressing something from the past or perhaps just an imagination.

Either way these photos and the rest of the ones on the website are beautiful, not everything needs a happy ray of sunshine or flowers to exhbit beauty, it exists in the macabre too.

Thanks for sharing Asya, I'd certainly be interested in obtaining one or two from you if you ever decide to get into it

Life without pain has no meaning.
charlie.
 
I apologize for my long silence, I've overlooked your post:( Many thanks for your terrific offer, my website was not updated in months so if you're really interested (still can't believe it :o) , I can send you a sample hardcopy of my gallery.

Thanks :)

A.
Honestly, I have a hard time picturing anyone getting all excited
about my portraits and hanging them on their walls:) Even for $20
:)))

See yourself:



Asya Schween! Inexpensive soothing art for bedroom walls! Deep,
penetrating, sensual! Dirt cheap! Buy one today!

:)))

I'm in LA/ home of the glamorous and rich/ currently residing in
South Central :)
Ginko
Thank you, I do agree that anything around $30 would be reasonable.
I guess hourly rate calculations are not really appropriate in this
case - I do selfportraits just for fun, to escape from mind numbing
boredom of mathematics, so I sometimes spend hours and hours to set
up just one shot:)

Thank you!

A.
I don't know either but the price would depend on what they'll be
used for. If it's his own collection the price would be much lower
than for commercial use or reproductions.

Apply an hourly rate to how long it took you to set up, take the
shot and then post-production (and profit margin) and then divide
that by how many copies you want to sell. At a guess I'd say
between $20 and $100 would be a good starting point.
--
Cheers
Phil

cp5000
 
Joan,

By saying "I'm not giving an opinion" then you go on to express your opinon? bit confusing, but i think I understand what you are saying =)

I have been watching this thread as it is very interesting to me to see how people react to art and imagery. When viewing these, I see what my mind/heart or whatever you want to call it, tells me I see, I can appreciate others views as I have no basis to make up anyones mind as to what they should see. It is a very personal thing. If the picture made you think all those things then maybe it did some good? Help people know what does go on in the world and make them notice instead of brushing it under the rug and hoping you don't have to mess up the flowery pastel life that people sometimes put in front of everything. Kinkade's horrific fairy tale, everything is fluffy and light, now pay me $1000000000 for some thing I had color photo copied and then did three personal brush strokes and signed it. I have to acknowledge it as art, but to me yuck!
 
I thought I haven't shown you 'dark and freaky' yet:)



Well, seriously, I thought that my selfportrait are not ordained by my desire to impose upon them something. I'm not an admirer/devotee/pretender

of dark glamour and morbid beauty. I'm continuously producing selfportraits and sometimes disgust/terrified/upset with them myself.
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
 
Asya,

Very nice pictures you have on the site! Very impressive!

BTW, what equipments did you use for these shots? Just curious.

Thanks.

Kenny
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
--
A happy Coolpix 4500 owner
 
;o) Thanks, Mr. Conley!
I appreciate your reply handled with the greatest delicacy and concern!

:)
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
--
5700, 990
 
Asya:

I've posted comments about your work before, you know how much I admire it. Reading through the responses to your threads, I am reminded of an incident that occured to me several years ago.

I had met an individual at a conference who was relatively new to the scene (this is my second career, after I left photography). I was already reasonably well established and able to command a decent price for my workshops. Having nothing to do for a few hours at the conference one day, I happened to notice that this new fellow was actually presenting himself. I decided to check him out. He was only given 40 minutes, but in that short time, I was so impressed, so in awe, that afterwards, I immediately went up to him and asked him how much he'd charge to come to my office and present to a few of my clients. He looked blankly at me for a moment, then mumbled "Charge??" lol, he had never been offered any money to speak before in his life! Finally, he said "Uhm...$400.00 ?" I tried to keep myself from falling on the floor, but I immediately took him up on his offer. This was 1989. Today, we actually hired this person and we command $3500 a day (sometimes more) for his workshops (in comparison, I get roughly $2800 a day) and he is one of the nation's leaders in the field.

I've seen people tell you to "consider materials and time." I can't believe I'm reading this!!! Materials and time? How much material could you possibly have? A couple of prints and some ink? A little wear and tear on your camera and printer? How many hours could you possibly have involved? Five? Six?

We are not selling SOAP BARS here, folks!! Asya's work is clearly ART...and you don't price art like a commodity!!! This is V A L U E!

Asya, your work is some of the most original I've seen posted here or any other forum of this nature. You are a gifted and talented artist. Forget time, forget matierals (Gosh, wonder if I can buy a Picaso for the cost of some canvas, ink and a few hours of his time?). Price your work based on the value and/or PERCEIVED value of what you have to offer. You are selling your talent, your imagination, your gift. It's worth more than the thrity bucks I saw suggested here, more than the hundred bucks I saw suggested. I've seen the most basic, mundane, routine landscapes immaginable, framed, go for more than $100.00!! You are far beyond this class of work.

Take your prints, matt and frame then, SIGN them and sell them for at least $300 or more (you're new to the scene...we'll give him a break).

Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to learn more about value priceing and my views on this issue. I would hate to see talent such as yours sold as though it was nothing more than a Kodak Moment snapshot.

Frank
Whimsy is salvation for a life taken too seriously.
http://www.pbase.com/poetrunner/root
 
Asya:

I've posted comments about your work before, you know how much I
admire it. Reading through the responses to your threads, I am
reminded of an incident that occured to me several years ago.

I had met an individual at a conference who was relatively new to
the scene (this is my second career, after I left photography). I
was already reasonably well established and able to command a
decent price for my workshops. Having nothing to do for a few
hours at the conference one day, I happened to notice that this new
fellow was actually presenting himself. I decided to check him
out. He was only given 40 minutes, but in that short time, I was
so impressed, so in awe, that afterwards, I immediately went up to
him and asked him how much he'd charge to come to my office and
present to a few of my clients. He looked blankly at me for a
moment, then mumbled "Charge??" lol, he had never been offered any
money to speak before in his life! Finally, he said
"Uhm...$400.00 ?" I tried to keep myself from falling on the
floor, but I immediately took him up on his offer. This was 1989.
Today, we actually hired this person and we command $3500 a day
(sometimes more) for his workshops (in comparison, I get roughly
$2800 a day) and he is one of the nation's leaders in the field.

I've seen people tell you to "consider materials and time." I
can't believe I'm reading this!!! Materials and time? How much
material could you possibly have? A couple of prints and some ink?
A little wear and tear on your camera and printer? How many hours
could you possibly have involved? Five? Six?

We are not selling SOAP BARS here, folks!! Asya's work is clearly
ART...and you don't price art like a commodity!!! This is V A L U
E!

Asya, your work is some of the most original I've seen posted here
or any other forum of this nature. You are a gifted and talented
artist. Forget time, forget matierals (Gosh, wonder if I can buy a
Picaso for the cost of some canvas, ink and a few hours of his
time?). Price your work based on the value and/or PERCEIVED value
of what you have to offer. You are selling your talent, your
imagination, your gift. It's worth more than the thrity bucks I
saw suggested here, more than the hundred bucks I saw suggested.
I've seen the most basic, mundane, routine landscapes immaginable,
framed, go for more than $100.00!! You are far beyond this class
of work.

Take your prints, matt and frame then, SIGN them and sell them for
at least $300 or more (you're new to the scene...we'll give him a
break).

Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to learn more about
value priceing and my views on this issue. I would hate to see
talent such as yours sold as though it was nothing more than a
Kodak Moment snapshot.

Frank
Whimsy is salvation for a life taken too seriously.
http://www.pbase.com/poetrunner/root
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... I think people say. So ugliness and horror must be as well, I think.

When I see Asya's pictures I see a girl that's trying to not just take pretty pictures, in the sense of a beautiful well made-up girl in glorious make-up and soft ligth with a big smile on her face. She's portraying a girl that has alot more depth and feeelings than just being the "Beauty Queen".

And what a great way of expressing ones own ugliness, sadness and horror in photographs or selfportraits. Cuz when you compare your normal, dull, self you look pretty OK compared to these "nightmares". ;-D

Not to make this into a feminist debate or anything, but it's so relieving to see a portait of a girl that's not perfect as in hair, skin, eyes etc and completly happy. Every person has dark thoughts and that's somehow how I've understood these pictures, but there's also something else, a message in the pictures. I don't even know if Asya is aware of these messages or if she's just working subconsiously.

Even if they are dark and freaky, I think they are beautiful. Not only because they are technically well executed but because this is how we humans are! We are beatiful and ugly, dark and bright all at the same time.

Maybe it's healthy to react to the pictures, if not we should maybe re-consider the whole society we live in where we accept more and more horror (in terms of war, terrorism, drugs, abuse and violence). Maybe while looking at pictures like Aysa's, makes us react and perhaps treat eachother a bit better? Less judgmental, less racistic etc etc.

To me the pictures is sort of a mirror of ourselves and we need to see it to become better persons.

I dunno, maybe I'm just rambeling, but I don't worry about Asya's mental health at all. Actually I think it's pretty good since she can express the darkness, a darkness some people never can express and might consume them. I have a feeling Asya's photography is her saftey vent, when things are getting a bit too overbearing (maybe the math studies are driving her nuts? JOKE ).

I enjoy these photo's and I consider them unique and therefor should be seen as art. So I repeate myself, DON'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT, ASYA! (that was the first topic of this thread)

Petra
 
Asya, you're very welcome, and I would be the first to wish you the greatest success. You wouldn't happen to have a "straight" portrait of yourself lying around would you(or did I miss it in all the other pictures). THAT would be interesting also... :-)
Jarrell
:)
Asya, you are a good girl (photographer too)!
Show us the good!

These photos….they are technically brilliant. And this may be
Asya’s intent, but I find the dark emotive "shock value" of no
value. I don't mean to repress...but life is too short.....just my
opinion.

oh i can feel the flames already!
Thank you Asya,
I have just spent some time looking through that webpage of yours. WoW
I escaped my day for a while, and took a much needed mental
vacation looking through the pictures. scarey, sweet, soft and
harsh. I would love to hear your process for some of the shots,
although I am sure it may be a very personnal thing. Thanks for
sharing, made my day =)

"Light travels fast but darkness is always there to meet it"
--
5700, 990
--
5700, 990
 

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