UFO following a BA 747???

Alf, you claim this is a official NASA picture? Could you provide the picture number?

The image you provide is a manipulation by David Harland. (Published in Apollo Lunar Surface Journal)
The original picture of Alan Bean is numbered: NASA: AS12-49-7278
http://nix.larc.nasa.gov/info ;jsessionid=512vwi1bj4s?id=AS12-49-7278&orgid=8
The extra figure (which also is Alan Bean) comes from image: NASA: AS12-46-6813
http://nix.larc.nasa.gov/info ;jsessionid=512vwi1bj4s?id=AS12-46-6813&orgid=8

So, if this is what makes you convinced that its all a hoax, maybe its about time you reconsider.
You do realize that you are claiming that their desire for a perfectly lit photo overcame their desire to fool everyone?
Of course, but they had no choice...It was that, or have no pictures at all. And they needed good photos more than anything else to keep the PR machine rolling.

There is a very good book on this subject I'd recommend you read. Its called "Apollo. Dark Moon And The Wistle Blowers".
My guess is that you are young idiot.
If I'm an idiot, I'm a middle aged idiot, so have some respect for your elders sonny.
:)

At the time the live coverage had no photographs. There was a video and audio feed from the moon. Photos had to wait until the astronauts got back to earth and the film was processed and released.

Obviously, but totally irrelevent.

But by that time people had moved on. The big show was the TV show. They didn't need the photos to keep the PR machine going.

Of course they did, or Apollo 11 would have been the last Apollo mission!
In any case there is no way to tell if the lighting was wrong since color processing of the time was all in the lab.
Processing negatives in a lab is not the same as touching up photo details. They may not have have photographic aids such as photoshop back then but they their ways to doctor photos all the same.

Since you seem to be the most fervent believer of NASA's Apollo fairytail, you therefore need more convincing evidence that they have been telling you porkys. So, here is an official NASA Apollo pic with a very interesting photographic anomoly for you to ponder...I'll give you a clue what it is- Remember how there were never more than two Astronauts on the Moons surface on any of the Apollo missions, and the third guy orbited the moon in the command module?...

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Let's see if I have this right; ... in order to support your claim that the photos from the Moon were a hoax, you offer a well-known hoax photo as "evidence"?

Oh, brother.

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Let's see if I have this right; ... in order to support your claim that the photos from the Moon were a hoax, you offer a well-known hoax photo as "evidence"?

Oh, brother.
I was'nt aware it was a hoax, as your not aware that Apollo was hoax.
 
yvind Strm wrote:



The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat.
Yes, when landing something like a lander, you would expect them to choose the rockiest, most mountainous area around... No they would choose as large of a flat area as possible so they wouldn't... you know... CRASH
Heres is another pic, where this time the back of the astronaut should be in silhouette but its not, its clearly lit:

Incorrect, light is bouncing up off the surface of the moon and (in the first image all that gold foil on the lander--which is acting as a giant reflector) You will actually notice the areas you think should be silhouetted in the first are yellowish because of this. In the 2nd image, you see "fill" is diffuse light coming from below, being bounced up off the dirt.
Now lets look at fact two: "The Sun shines at virtually the same luminosity over the thousands of square miles of the Lunar surface lit by it."

Now look at the brightness of the Moons surface in the photo...It is clearly brightest within the small area in which the Astronaut is standing and it gradually gets darker the greater the distance away the surface is from his position.
Several reasons: 1) The light is being reflected off the dirt two ways: diffuse bouncing every where and directly where Angle in=angle out... the dirt will appear brighter in areas where the directional reflection directly back towards the camera, the other areas only the diffuse reflection is hitting the camera the front on shot is brighter between the camera and the sun, the other because the sun is behind, it's where the dirt is more in line with reflection. 2) Vignetting of the lens will darken the edges 3) The technique of Dodging and Burning may have been applied to center the viewer's attention on the subject.
In reality, there would be no noticable difference in surface brightness from the foreground right out to the visible horizon.
No it would not, the reflection from the dirt would cause brighter areas.
Now for facts three and four: "The Astronauts had large/bulky Hasselblad cameras with them. To keep their hands free they were mounted on chest height brackets on the front of the suits."

The Hasselblad cameras were not specially shielded against highly penetrating radiation from the Solar wind, such as high energy Helium Nuclei produced by nuclear fusion in the sun. Unlike the Earth, the Moon has no magnetic field to deflect the solar wind so its surface is constantly bombarded by it.

Even in the apollo space capsule or inside the Eagle lander, there would be no protection from such radiation which can pass through several meters of dense shielding. And all the time they were travelling to the Moon and back they would be exposed to it constantly as well. To make matters worse this same radiation produces deadly X-Rays when the particles colide with gas particles, such as that within the Apollo spacecraft and of course within the Astronauts suits.
"High energy Helium Nucli"? Do you mean High energy Hydrogen Nuclei? That's Alpha Radiation, which is smaller than Helium Nuclie... Alpha radiation can be stopped by a piece of paper... if you have a smoke detector it's pumping out alpha radiation from the Americium or similar element in it. The aluminum casing of the film back would be more than sufficient to stop Alpha radiation or even bigger (and less penetrating) Helium Nuclei.
So with all that penetrating radiation and X-Rays flying around on the week or so long mission, why are there so many all too perfect looking NASA apollo photos around when in reality most the negatives would be fogged and therefore useless by the time they got back to Earth.
They may have picked up some fogging (even flying high altitude flights exposes film a bit.) But keep in mind you can take 100 ISO back and forth on 50 trans-atlantic flight and put it through the x-ray machine each time. It will be slightly fogged, but not terribly and you can print on higher contrast paper to compensate. And I'm thinking they were using 25 or 50 ISO film back then... lower ISO, less fogging
Now fact five: "The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat."

So why is that an important clue?...Take a good look at the reflection in the visor.

If the two Astronauts were at the same ground level relative to each other, and the Hasselblad camera was at chest height, the reflection in the visor would not be directly in line with the horizon as shown in the photo. It should be much higher in the visor. A moonhoax researcher calculated that the camera taking the image would have to be 12 feet above the surface the subect Astronaut is standing on but going by the reflection in the visor, this is cleary not the case!
Perhaps that calculation incorrectly assumed the visor is perfectly spherical... If I recall when I saw it, it had more of a cylindrical component (not saying it's cylindrical but is is somewhere between a sphere and a cylinder) becoming more spherical at the top. to it as shown in this image with the outer layer removed:



You can also see a bit of it in the shot with the flag that you provided.
But even assuming a spherical shape I think the value is flawed.

In either case (cylindrical or spherical) the edge reflections should closely align with the horizon whether the image was shot at 3ft high or 12 ft high... basic convex mirror optics.

I make no judgement as to whether or not the moon landing was faked (I wasn't alive at the time), but your image analysis is flawed.
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Let's see if I have this right; ... in order to support your claim that the photos from the Moon were a hoax, you offer a well-known hoax photo as "evidence"?

Oh, brother.
I was'nt aware it was a hoax, as your not aware that Apollo was hoax.
Time to revisit your dictionary and the definition of "aware". I am most certainly aware of the Apollo hoax.

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yvind Strm wrote:



The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat.
Yes, when landing something like a lander, you would expect them to choose the rockiest, most mountainous area around... No they would choose as large of a flat area as possible so they wouldn't... you know... CRASH
OK, so you agree with me that the ground was virtually flat, yes?

And of course, as I'm sure you know, the camera taking the photo was mounted at chest height on the front of Neils suit, yes?

...Then why is the photo taken looking down on Buzz and from not level with his chest, if not taken from a higher position?

So therefore in reality, its extremely doughtfull that the reflection in the visor could be inline with the horizon in the background as shown in the photo.
Heres is another pic, where this time the back of the astronaut should be in silhouette but its not, its clearly lit:

Incorrect, light is bouncing up off the surface of the moon and (in the first image all that gold foil on the lander--which is acting as a giant reflector) You will actually notice the areas you think should be silhouetted in the first are yellowish because of this. In the 2nd image, you see "fill" is diffuse light coming from below, being bounced up off the dirt.
So what your saying is, there is enough light bouncing up from Moons surface, which I'm sure you are aware, only has an albido of 8%, to fill the back side of the Astronauts suit by at least 3-4 stops, if not more, yet there is not enough light bouncing off the same surface, only a few feet away to light up the side of the Eagle lander that is also facing away from the sun...Right? Hmmm...
The Hasselblad cameras were not specially shielded against highly penetrating radiation from the Solar wind, such as high energy Helium Nuclei produced by nuclear fusion in the sun. Unlike the Earth, the Moon has no magnetic field to deflect the solar wind so its surface is constantly bombarded by it.

Even in the apollo space capsule or inside the Eagle lander, there would be no protection from such radiation which can pass through several meters of dense shielding. And all the time they were travelling to the Moon and back they would be exposed to it constantly as well. To make matters worse this same radiation produces deadly X-Rays when the particles colide with gas particles, such as that within the Apollo spacecraft and of course within the Astronauts suits.
"High energy Helium Nucli"? Do you mean High energy Hydrogen Nuclei? That's Alpha Radiation, which is smaller than Helium Nuclie... Alpha radiation can be stopped by a piece of paper...
There are two types on Alpha radiation. The first type is low energy Alpha radiation from radioactive decay, which is the type your referring to, and which can indeed be stopped by a peice of paper. The second type is high energy Alpha radiation, from nuclear fusion in the Sun. High energy Helium nuclei make up 10-20% of the solar wind and can pass through many meters of dense shielding as I mentioned before.
Now fact five: "The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat."
So why is that an important clue?...Take a good look at the reflection in the visor.

If the two Astronauts were at the same ground level relative to each other, and the Hasselblad camera was at chest height, the reflection in the visor would not be directly in line with the horizon as shown in the photo. It should be much higher in the visor. A moonhoax researcher calculated that the camera taking the image would have to be 12 feet above the surface the subect Astronaut is standing on but going by the reflection in the visor, this is cleary not the case!
Perhaps that calculation incorrectly assumed the visor is perfectly spherical... If I recall when I saw it, it had more of a cylindrical component (not saying it's cylindrical but is is somewhere between a sphere and a cylinder) becoming more spherical at the top. to it as shown in this image with the outer layer removed:



You can also see a bit of it in the shot with the flag that you provided.
But even assuming a spherical shape I think the value is flawed.

In either case (cylindrical or spherical) the edge reflections should closely align with the horizon whether the image was shot at 3ft high or 12 ft high... basic convex mirror optics.
I did'nt make the calculation so I cannot verify whether its correct or not but as I stated above, if both Buzz and Neil were standing at the same ground level and Neils camera was at chest height why is the photo obvously looking down on Buzz?
I make no judgement as to whether or not the moon landing was faked (I wasn't alive at the time), but your image analysis is flawed.
My analysis may not be perfect but then neither is yours.
 
Just in case somebody participating in this silly thread runs out of hoaxes - maybe you find something suitable as a follow-up in this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hoaxes

:-))))

have fun
lightismagic; Damn you, I say DAMN you, sir, for posting that "list of hoaxes" website link!

... I just blew away an entire afternoon, reading about each of the hoaxes via their links ... YOU OWE ME HALF A DAY'S PAY!

(And what a great way to waste a few hours. Thanks so much for posting it!)

PS: For some strange reason, SigmaGuy's Moon landing hoax was not on that list. I guess WikiPedia must be part of the Grand Conspiracy.

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...Then why is the photo taken looking down on Buzz and from not level with his chest, if not taken from a higher position?
Look at the photo again. It only appears that your viewing Aldrin from above for the very obvious reason that he is leaning forward and moving towards the camera. Look at his legs and feet. His right leg is very clearly in front of the left leg as he steps towards the camera. His right arm is also forward for balance. It is not a stationary pose.

Look at any of the movie films of the landings. All the astronauts walked with a more pronounced forward tilt than they would on Earth, due to the lessened gravity, especially as they began their forward movement.

This weight-forward motion is something taught to frame cartoon illustrators, by the way. As you began walking from a dead stop, you naturally and unconsciously lean a bit forward to counterbalance. If you didn't, you'd tip over backwards. Same deal with counter-steering on a bicycle and motorcycle; ... if you didn't steer slightly away from the direction you are turning, again, unconsciously, you would fall off the "high side".

If you would spend even as much time at the outset looking for the obvious and common sense explanations to these issues as you spend looking for nonsensical "explanations" that support your preconceived notions, we'd save a whole lot of precious pixels*.

You do realize that pixel-mining production has slowed drastically as a direct result of rain forest decimation, right? Informed estimates show that we have maybe three or four years before current pixel stockpiles are exhausted. Just because the horrendous working conditions that pixel miners once suffered have eased considerably due to the efforts of United Nations organizations does not mean we are out of the woods just yet. Save the Pixels! Write shorter sentences!

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OK,

have a look at the reflection:

It is a nearly perfect collimation of the as spherical assumed part of the helmet, the horizon and the probable position of the camera seen in the reflection.

Every one who did a collimation of optical components should knew, that this is only possible, if the parts are well aligned...

...the Sigma guys should know this effect - very helpful for a proper quality control by assembling lenses... :P

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Once You know that, You know, that You only need the difference of about one foot (between chest and eyelevel) to obtain the reflection as is in the image.

Look at the ground, before You take the next step - this is what the astronaut do...

...he gains balance...
...and looses thereby approx. 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) of hight.

...he stands in a little crater - look at his boots and the shadow of his legs...
...another 10 cm (4 inch).

Now, if You want to make a photo in this situation, You would not put Yourself into a little crater, so the photographer may have found a position between little craters which is about 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) higher, at least if one includes the little extra hight if one is proud to take this shot.

Maybe there are also some extra cm / inches in the different high of the bodys of the both astronauts...

Let's sum it up and You get about 1 foot, right?

That is pretty close to the (for collimation) needed distance between chest and the eyelevel, where the reflection is.

You only need this single foot to reach the position for collimating the reflection, the camera and the horizon and You get it pretty easy! :D

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P.S.:
The shadows are a different story. ;)
yvind Strm wrote:



The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat.
Yes, when landing something like a lander, you would expect them to choose the rockiest, most mountainous area around... No they would choose as large of a flat area as possible so they wouldn't... you know... CRASH
OK, so you agree with me that the ground was virtually flat, yes?

And of course, as I'm sure you know, the camera taking the photo was mounted at chest height on the front of Neils suit, yes?

...Then why is the photo taken looking down on Buzz and from not level with his chest, if not taken from a higher position?

So therefore in reality, its extremely doughtfull that the reflection in the visor could be inline with the horizon in the background as shown in the photo.
Now fact five: "The ground the two Astronauts are standing on is virtually flat."
So why is that an important clue?...Take a good look at the reflection in the visor.

If the two Astronauts were at the same ground level relative to each other, and the Hasselblad camera was at chest height, the reflection in the visor would not be directly in line with the horizon as shown in the photo. It should be much higher in the visor. A moonhoax researcher calculated that the camera taking the image would have to be 12 feet above the surface the subect Astronaut is standing on but going by the reflection in the visor, this is cleary not the case!
But even assuming a spherical shape I think the value is flawed.

In either case (cylindrical or spherical) the edge reflections should closely align with the horizon whether the image was shot at 3ft high or 12 ft high... basic convex mirror optics.
I did'nt make the calculation so I cannot verify whether its correct or not but as I stated above, if both Buzz and Neil were standing at the same ground level and Neils camera was at chest height why is the photo obvously looking down on Buzz?
I make no judgement as to whether or not the moon landing was faked (I wasn't alive at the time), but your image analysis is flawed.
My analysis may not be perfect but then neither is yours.
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OK,

...he gains balance...
...and looses thereby approx. 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) of hight.

...he stands in a little crater - look at his boots and the shadow of his legs...
...another 10 cm (4 inch).

Now, if You want to make a photo in this situation, You would not put Yourself into a little crater, so the photographer may have found a position between little craters which is about 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) higher, at least if one includes the little extra hight if one is proud to take this shot.

Maybe there are also some extra cm / inches in the different high of the bodys of the both astronauts...

Let's sum it up and You get about 1 foot, right?

That is pretty close to the (for collimation) needed distance between chest and the eyelevel, where the reflection is.

You only need this single foot to reach the position for collimating the reflection, the camera and the horizon and You get it pretty easy! :D
OK, lets look at the photo that Armstrong was supposed to have taken just before that one, where he is'nt standing in the little crater:



He is'nt taking a step, he is standing full height, yet the camera taking the photo is still looking down on Buzz!
 
He is'nt taking a step, he is standing full height, yet the camera taking the photo is still looking down on Buzz!
Does it occur to you that there is an incline and the subject is standing in a depression and the photographer could be standing on something as well to further increase their height?

So I take it you haven't been taking photos for very long and do not understand how such things work.

What I have to wonder is what in the world are you doing on a photography forum and what in the world do you think you are doing by calling yourself "DaSigmaGuy". You are too dumb to be doing photography. You should sell what gear you have and take up something better suited to your intelligence, like ditch digging. Maybe you will learn more about inclines and depressions and standing on something to increase your height.

Here are photos taken of most of the Apollo landing sites in 2009 from the LRO.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Notice the LEM shaped shadows.

Don't waste your time by responding to this post and telling me that the LRO mission was a hoax as well when the entire world watched it crash into the moon.

I'm curious as to how extensive is your brain damage.

Did anything exist before you were born? And how do you know? Maybe all the photos and artifacts are faked? Maybe it is all a big conspiracy and you live in the Matrix?
 
I assume now, that You are alright with my analyse of the former picture? :)
OK,

...he gains balance...
...and looses thereby approx. 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) of hight.

...he stands in a little crater - look at his boots and the shadow of his legs...
...another 10 cm (4 inch).

Now, if You want to make a photo in this situation, You would not put Yourself into a little crater, so the photographer may have found a position between little craters which is about 5 to 10 cm (2 to 4 inch) higher, at least if one includes the little extra hight if one is proud to take this shot.

Maybe there are also some extra cm / inches in the different high of the bodys of the both astronauts...

Let's sum it up and You get about 1 foot, right?

That is pretty close to the (for collimation) needed distance between chest and the eyelevel, where the reflection is.

You only need this single foot to reach the position for collimating the reflection, the camera and the horizon and You get it pretty easy! :D
OK, lets look at the photo that Armstrong was supposed to have taken just before that one, where he is'nt standing in the little crater:



He is'nt taking a step, he is standing full height, yet the camera taking the photo is still looking down on Buzz!
On this one You see, that he's legs aren't straight? :P

...and U see that the horizon isn't aligned with the reflection of the other horizon anymore?

Furthermore the reflection of the horizon with the assumed position of the camera is now in an area of the helmet, where the surface of the helmet can't be assumed (for sure) to be spherical anymore, which leads to the fact, that a miniscule difference to a vertical alignment can cause a greater deflection than a higher (lower) camera position.

But even if You think that it still has to be a spherical surface, U see, that the horizon is heavily tilted, so that one could assume, that the photographer balanced on a big rock, or didn't use the chest mount for the camera... ;)

Never the less, if You want to believe, that some of the pictures are a fake, just take my story I've already written here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=37747196

U see, there mustn't be a contradiction. :D

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P.S.:

If You think, that the photographer didn't use a rock, or made a hand held shot, which made the horizon tilt, then the astronaut on the picture has to be tilted in a similar way like on the former picture and isn't therefore standing full height.

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He is'nt taking a step, he is standing full height, yet the camera taking the photo is still looking down on Buzz!
Does it occur to you that there is an incline and the subject is standing in a depression and the photographer could be standing on something as well to further increase their height?
Then why does'nt the reflection in the visor confirm that?
So I take it you haven't been taking photos for very long and do not understand how such things work.
I was taking photos when you were still wet behind the ears.
What I have to wonder is what in the world are you doing on a photography forum and what in the world do you think you are doing by calling yourself "DaSigmaGuy".
That would be obvious even to a dribbling moron...Because I have two Sigma cameras and I frequent the Sigma talk forum on Dpreview. Does'nt say much for your intelligence does it!
Here are photos taken of most of the Apollo landing sites in 2009 from the LRO.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Notice the LEM shaped shadows.
No, I see shadows but they dont have an "LEM" shape and they could just as well be made by rocks on the Lunar surface for all you or I would know without going there.

Besides, the resolution is so poor you can zoom in to those crops all you like and you wont see the remains of an Apollo mission, even if one is there.

Since you obviously consider yourself to be smarter than Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein combined, then surely there can be no better man alive to explain why is it than in any Apollo photo showing the LEM landing pads and legs on the Lunar surface, they are always so pristinely clean and devoid of dust or melted dust debris from the rocket exaust plume on landing?

Or why the lunar dust under the LEM also looks so pristine, with not a trace of being exposed to a 3000 degrees C rocket exaust or disturbed by the thrust of the plume?
Here is a good example:



Perhaps one of the most importrant parts of any Apollo mission was to get a dust-pan and brush out to clean the landing pads and legs of the LEM, so thorougly that not the slightest visible trace of dust could be seen, and then carefully rake the Lunar soil/dust back under the LEM, just so that the LEM would look pretty in the photos? Or is it simply that Gold floil miraculously sheds dust like water off a ducks back and that the dust under the LEM is stuck down with glue?
Oh, please educate us, oh professor Starboy!
 
I assume now, that You are alright with my analyse of the former picture? :)
No I'm not. You dont need to be on the moon to replicate the photographer to subject conditions so a simple experiment can show if it was possible or not.

Simply take your camera, walk out on a street that is flat and level, hold it at chest height and then take a potrait format photo of a friend with the same subject framing.

Buzz Aldrin was 5'10" tall, so when wearing an Apollo spacesuit he was over 6' tall.

Make sure your freind is at least 6' tall, get him to stand like Buzz in the photo (knees very slightly bent) and view the results.
 
He is'nt taking a step, he is standing full height, yet the camera taking the photo is still looking down on Buzz!
Does it occur to you that there is an incline and the subject is standing in a depression and the photographer could be standing on something as well to further increase their height?
Then why does'nt the reflection in the visor confirm that?
You have no business posting on a photography site. The reflection in the visor confirms that the photographer was uphill on an incline and can be seen right on the horizon.

Have you stupidly confused the shadow of the subject with the photographer.

Really. Sell your cameras. You're too stupid to be a photographer. And franky Sigma should sue you for using their name in your online name.
 
Here are photos taken of most of the Apollo landing sites in 2009 from the LRO.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Notice the LEM shaped shadows.
No, I see shadows but they dont have an "LEM" shape and they could just as well be made by rocks on the Lunar surface for all you or I would know without going there.

Besides, the resolution is so poor you can zoom in to those crops all you like and you wont see the remains of an Apollo mission, even if one is there.
Again, you have no business posting on a photography website. The LEM shadow is visible on all photos, but very clear, even for a non-photographer, to see in the bottom photo. Not to mention foot paths and equipment left at the site.

Frankly I must conclude that you are either a most desperate troll or you are the keynote speaker when the morons get together for a conference.
 
Ok, now I have to assume, that You either don't want an explanation, or You don't understand my explanation.

You could not find a flaw in my explanation for the reflection, which is no surprise, because otherwise one could not proove the aligning of lenses, or mirrors on optical benches, or telescopes.

If You go out on a street, You first have to measure, whether the street is really flat and second, the street has to go from one to another horizon...
...otherwise the angles are flawed!

The reflection seen on the picture is possible, if You take a reflecting sphere and a camera positioned at the same high...
...and You asked for the reflection.

In this case the helmet and the chest mounted camera.

Assuming both astronauts have the same hight, the one with the camera has to put the camera in the same hight like the helmet of the other one, what makes a easiely achievable difference of one foot.

And if it is not a reflecting sphere, every little part of a degree where it is tilted to or from the camera makes a huge difference - far bigger than a few feet of hight, depending on the distance between object and camera.
I assume now, that You are alright with my analyse of the former picture? :)
No I'm not. You dont need to be on the moon to replicate the photographer to subject conditions so a simple experiment can show if it was possible or not.

Simply take your camera, walk out on a street that is flat and level, hold it at chest height and then take a potrait format photo of a friend with the same subject framing.

Buzz Aldrin was 5'10" tall, so when wearing an Apollo spacesuit he was over 6' tall.
And how tall was Edwin Aldrin in his spacesuit??? :D
Make sure your freind is at least 6' tall, get him to stand like Buzz in the photo (knees very slightly bent) and view the results.
You can use a tilt and shift lens, if You wish...
...but this doesn't matter for my explanation of the reflection.

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P.S.:
I never wrote, that one has to be on the moon to proove or disprove... :|

P.P.S.:

You, obviously over simplyfy the situation, which leads to wrong conclusions... ;)

P.P.P.S.:
I hope that You are not responsible for the qualitycontrol of lenses... :P

P.P.P.P.S.:

I think, that I can advance now to the explanation of Your dust problem at the landing site, or?

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I´m just trying to improve the readability!

Uli
 
Ok, now I have to assume, that You either don't want an explanation, or You don't understand my explanation.

You could not find a flaw in my explanation for the reflection, which is no surprise, because otherwise one could not proove the aligning of lenses, or mirrors on optical benches, or telescopes.
Of course I could find a flaw in it...The reflection could'nt be as shown if Armstrong and Aldrin were at the same ground level given that the camera had to be at chest height. This is why the camera was 12' above the ground calculation came in. In both shots it very obvious that the camera was not at Aldrins chest height and that in fact it was looking down at Aldrin.
 

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