How many of you shop local?

I sometimes go local but usually on smaller items. I have purchased my STE-2 and MR-14EX, and a couple of bags locally. In truth, I might have purchased more if it were not for rude sales folks. THere is a place nearby--mom and pop that i really like but their prices are outrageous.I have asked about price discounts and i was told it cannot be sold for less unless it is grey. I like K&S in Palo Alto and almost made a large purchase there but the salesperson I dealt with was a jerk so i walked out and ordered it online. Mark
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

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Jeffrey Lazo
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http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
I'd like to shop local, but the prices are just too high. Examples: I checked the 50 1.4 at a local camera shop. They wanted retail (over $400), had to order, would take two weeks, plus state sales tax. B&H, $319 +shipping ($20) with two day Fedex.

70-200 2.8. Shop in Austin was $1350, + state tax, was in stock. B&H, $1059 + $30 for 2 day Fedex. Shopping on the net saved me the price of the 50 1.4+. Sales tax would have been over $120 on these two lenses.

I wouldn't mind paying a couple bucks more to support local businesses, but I can't afford to go 25 to 30 percent more. Of course, the states are trying to get together to eliminate the wonderful world of no sales tax on the internet, which will make local shops a little better in comparison, but unfortunately, I fear the local camera shop is becoming a thing of the past. Most of them just don't seem to realize they can't charge full retail anymore, and that they have serious competition from the net.
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

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Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
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http://homepage.mac.com/stefancook
 
even if they eliminate the no sales tax (sad, sad day) the prices on line or still mainly lower than a mom and pop shop can match. Now a kits camera might be able to do a price match..but all those shops breed (in my experience) are either teenage kids with a part time job and no real photo experience or the "super sure of himself elite Sudo-intellect photographer" who only talks down to you.

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Photo Noob
D60
50mm 1.8, 75-300mm 4-5.6 III
 
There is a mom and pop store near my house. Their prices aren't too bad either. I would have bought more from them, but they can be very rude. The word is that as more and more people go digital, the small stores will suffer. I would not be unhappy to see this store experience that fate. Somehow people in this position often seem as though they have to try to prove their superiority to their customers. I am sure there is some psychological reason that so many people who work in camera shops are like this. In any case, I won't buy from them unless it is a matter of convenience for me. I will drive 60 miles each way to get to Samy's in Los Angeles where I have always been treated like the happy to spend customer I am.

Paul
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
even if they eliminate the no sales tax (sad, sad day) the prices
on line or still mainly lower than a mom and pop shop can match.
Now a kits camera might be able to do a price match..but all those
shops breed (in my experience) are either teenage kids with a part
time job and no real photo experience or the "super sure of himself
elite Sudo-intellect photographer" who only talks down to you.
I work in a local shop and am neither type of employee that you describe. We are a small shop, the two owners and myself, occupying under 1000 square feet...all of our prices are either the same as B&H or less. All products are USA, and we offer technical support and help during the sale and far beyond the purchase. The option to play with equipment, in my opinion is invaluable.
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Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
My problem has seldom been rude or uninformed sales people (although at the big chains I do find I know more about the Canon gear than many of the per hour help.) The situation you describe is what I fear is happening. Local camera shops are becoming unpaid internet showrooms. I hate to see that happen. If price can come close, I'll gladly go local. (although I do have to admit a certain fondness for B&H) I've heard some people here have had problems with them, but I've spent about 3K there and service and product has always been exemplary.
even if they eliminate the no sales tax (sad, sad day) the prices
on line or still mainly lower than a mom and pop shop can match.
Now a kits camera might be able to do a price match..but all those
shops breed (in my experience) are either teenage kids with a part
time job and no real photo experience or the "super sure of himself
elite Sudo-intellect photographer" who only talks down to you.
I work in a local shop and am neither type of employee that you
describe. We are a small shop, the two owners and myself,
occupying under 1000 square feet...all of our prices are either the
same as B&H or less. All products are USA, and we offer technical
support and help during the sale and far beyond the purchase. The
option to play with equipment, in my opinion is invaluable.
--
--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stefancook
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
The pricing is about twenty plus percent what I can get on line or from the NYC/LA stores.

The information is minimum as is the support. I'd say that in the advanced world of photography, they expect you to know what you want because they don't have the skills or information to help your indepth questions.

So you go online, get your education and buy from NYC/LA stores and buy the missing pieces, if they have them, when you need them and don't worry.

I live in San Jose, California, USA.
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
The pricing is about twenty plus percent what I can get on line or
from the NYC/LA stores.

The information is minimum as is the support. I'd say that in the
advanced world of photography, they expect you to know what you
want because they don't have the skills or information to help your
indepth questions.

So you go online, get your education and buy from NYC/LA stores and
buy the missing pieces, if they have them, when you need them and
don't worry.

I live in San Jose, California, USA.
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Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
even if they eliminate the no sales tax (sad, sad day) the prices
on line or still mainly lower than a mom and pop shop can match.
Now a kits camera might be able to do a price match..but all those
shops breed (in my experience) are either teenage kids with a part
time job and no real photo experience or the "super sure of himself
elite Sudo-intellect photographer" who only talks down to you.
I work in a local shop and am neither type of employee that you
describe. We are a small shop, the two owners and myself,
occupying under 1000 square feet...all of our prices are either the
same as B&H or less. All products are USA, and we offer technical
support and help during the sale and far beyond the purchase. The
option to play with equipment, in my opinion is invaluable.
--
--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stefancook
--
--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
I go to local store for smaller stuff like filters, tripods, bags, etc. etc.

But for larger tickett items like "L" Lenses I go to the lowest bidder on whatever reputable website I find.

The price difference is around 15%. (not to much when your making a $50 purchase but a big savings when you spend $1500.00)

And that doesnt include taxes but they are offset by shipping fee's.

Murphy
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
My problem has seldom been rude or uninformed sales people
(although at the big chains I do find I know more about the Canon
gear than many of the per hour help.) The situation you describe
is what I fear is happening. Local camera shops are becoming
unpaid internet showrooms.
They would get paid if they weren't so insistant on charging so much.
I hate to see that happen. If price
can come close, I'll gladly go local.
I've tried to say this several times to my local store, San Jose Camera but they won't budge one single penny on a thousand dollar lens. Oh well!
 
We've got a fairly comprehensive photo shop in my area (Michigan). Problem is that their prices are simply outrageous. More often than not, they will charge full suggested retail price. Won't deal at all. When I tell them prices I'm getting for full USA products online, they insist I don't know what I'm talking about and am definately buying gray stuff. They tell me that prices I pay for L lenses, for example, are lower than they pay for them wholesale. Frankly, I don't buy it, neither literally nor figuratively.
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
Mike Flaherty
http://imageevent.com/mflaherty/mikesgallery
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
I buy almost everthing as second hand , so i'm happy to have 3 stores in my town , so i can buy exactly that what i have in my hand .

But if i buy new equipment, such as my Tokina 19-35mm , i buy from an internet shop because the equiment is much more expensive at my local dealers than in the internet; if the information and the support is good, ok, this is an argument for the higher price, but alsmost every shop hasn't good salesmen , and so, i don't want to buy the higher price , and as a second issue , i don't need any support or information, the best place for that is the internet ! ;-)

Bernd
 
I really try to support local shops, but like many people said before it is hard. I have been in several hobbies (mostly RC Cars) where the local shops shutdown and you're stuck going great distances even to get little things. For that reason I support the local shops - just to keep things surviving...

However, while wanting to help out the local shops it seems they do not want my help at all. The shop that I go to always looks at me like I'm a complete idiot! I was looking to buy a 24-85 or 28-135 and when I made comments/questions about one lens or another (based on things I read here) the guy snapped at me and asked where I heard that information (muttering under his breath that it was from some online place). I almost fear that type of reaction every time I go in asking a question... Now I understand that I'm not some big $$$ pro or anything, but I do spend $$ - why can't they just show me a little respect? Well I guess that is how it is everywhere...

As for now I will continue getting the small thing (filters, etc) and stuff that I want to play with (bags, tripods, etc) - leaving the big $$ to the lower prices of the Internet. I really wouldn't mind paying a little extra for local stuff (maybe even %10) - but I hesitate to spend a cent when they treat me like garbage!

-Todd...
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
Sure, I'll shop local for small items.

There are so many stereotypical problems with local shops. The big chains tend to have less-than-brilliant employees, the local chains (2-4 shops in town) tend to have attitude.

The one-location 20+ years-in-business shops usually have very experienced staff. I said "experienced" meaning they're probably knowledgeable and often opinionated, but not always right. One problem is that "junior employees" in such old-time shops seem to pick up that "know-it-all" opinionated nature of the long-term staff.

Anyway, local shops, preferably the one-location long-time-in-biz shops are good to go for accessories.

But they'll never understand the pricing issue. I realize they need to try for high margins. But they also need to discount, especially for the more knowledgeable segment of the market who could be repeat customers, and who have done some research and pricing on the net.

Most shops drive away such customers with their "we're knowledgeable and we've been here forever" attitude, as if that's supposed to justify their 6% below-list pricing. Add back sales tax and you're basically paying full retail.

Remember back in the early-mid-80's when there were computer shops everywhere? Now how many are there? Almost none, just specialty shops like clone-barns. Nearly everything is done national electronics chains or internet/mailorder.

As photography goes more and more digital in the coming 5+ years, I think that many of the remaining local shops will bite the dust. Only if they can adapt to the radically evolving marketplace and be more competitive on pricing will they be able to survive. I think most people realize that a local shop deserves a significantly higher margin than a web shop, but trying to sell a $1000 camera for $935, when that camera is on the net for $650 will never work. Only for the few customers that don't ever compare prices. I think a local shop could get away with $750-$775 in such an example. (They can be about 15% above web pricing (+ local sales tax), anything more is just too big a difference).

It's not that they're trying to match web pricing, it's just that they are accepting the importance of reasonable discounting in order to keep from losing a vast portion of the potential customer base, simply because everybody knows "that local shop sells everything at near full retail" ... so many people will never plan to buy anything expensive there.

It's a shame, if they adapt and compete, they can survive. Many won't. Just my $0.02 opinion, of course.

--David

D60, BG-ED3, 16-35L, 28-135 IS, 100-400L, 100/2.8 macro,
(3)550-EX, ST-E2, TC-80N3, 2x1GB MD
also Sigma 14, Canon 20, Canon EF2X-II
Past 18 months: 30,000 exposures (mostly D30)
 
I buy 100% from local stores. In my neck of the woods there are no internet stores, and the local stores' prices are as good, if not better than B&H, Delta. Plus no sales tax.

The concept of buying online is only relevant in North America and some parts of Europe. I think the rest of the world still likes the concept of shopping in person, though this could change.
--
Zero my hero
 
I have mixed experience with local shops. I bought some equipment in abroad, some at B&H, but the most expensive item that I have I bought at our local shop. It's my D60.

I had options to buy it in the States or Canada for $2200. I think this was a good price since I bought my camera this March and my camera has S/N 291. I mentioned to our local shop salesman I can buy the camera for the price mentioned and he gave me $2150 then. I got my camera the next day.
My problem has seldom been rude or uninformed sales people
(although at the big chains I do find I know more about the Canon
gear than many of the per hour help.) The situation you describe
is what I fear is happening. Local camera shops are becoming
unpaid internet showrooms.
They would get paid if they weren't so insistant on charging so much.
I hate to see that happen. If price
can come close, I'll gladly go local.
I've tried to say this several times to my local store, San Jose
Camera but they won't budge one single penny on a thousand dollar
lens. Oh well!
 
I use my local pro shop to purchase most of my equipment. Their prices are better than any highstreet store. And I even found a couple of distributors that sell the D 60 for more.

Get in their good books and they will let you play with many toys.
 

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