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Challenge 6 - CHAT -Faces of the world-

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Darn, my curiosity got the better of me yet again..
LOL

Funny point I've got that same Cokin filter in my
goodie bag as well..

Sid
Myron Nyquist said:
Sid Daley said:
Just curious as to what's in that box in the top left
hand corner of the second picture ??
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You're not gonna want to here this - but it's just trash waiting
for me to take it to the dump.
See - curiosity killed the cat! :-)

Myron



Coolpix 5000
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~ Sheila ~ said:
Is this the sort of thing John Brain would have used in the
Divergence challenge to get his beautiful light prism shot?
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Hi Sheila,
Thanks for inquiring.

I don't think so. This cokin filter produces more of a kaleidoscope effect - not thje separation of colors that we saw in John's shot.

I would encourage you to experiment with a common pendant type prism. I have gotton interesting shots that way. The key is extremely bright sunlight.

Happy snapping!

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Coolpix 5000
 
This is after the fact but what is the best image & file size for a Sumission to the Challenge? Is mine too big?

I resized in PS7 but didn't do Save for Web because I didn't want a quality degradation. I've seen wonderful quality photos here that aren't huge files. I have a high speed connection so I sometimes forget to be considerate in this area. Perhaps you can give some advice.

Thanks again to all who have encouraged me to "jump in", I did and it has been a great photographic as well as emotional experience. I think this may be the real heart of these exercises, eh?

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midnight, CP775, 4500
 
The largest acceptable size for the challenge is
a max width or height of 800 pixels. You may
need to use compression to reduce the file size
however, the size restriction is a maximum of
200kb.

Sid
Midnight2 said:
This is after the fact but what is the best image & file size for a
Sumission to the Challenge? Is mine too big?

I resized in PS7 but didn't do Save for Web because I didn't want a
quality degradation. I've seen wonderful quality photos here that
aren't huge files. I have a high speed connection so I sometimes
forget to be considerate in this area. Perhaps you can give some
advice.

Thanks again to all who have encouraged me to "jump in", I did and
it has been a great photographic as well as emotional experience.
I think this may be the real heart of these exercises, eh?

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midnight, CP775, 4500
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Midnight:
Just took a look at your shot and thought I would send you a quick note.

First, it is a good shot and I think you are right it tells a story that is very much a part of our society.

One thing I would like to comment on is the fact that you asked before you shot... This in my mind is VERY important. But to take this thought one step further... if you are going to take someone’s photo and plan to post it in a public place like the Internet... Make sure you really cover your entire basis... If you don't there could be some major consequences that I’m sure you will not want any part of.

Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the “CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.

Other than that I'm glad to see that you pushed the "POST BUTTON" and jumped into the water. Welcome aboard.

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Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
 
I forgot about that last rule on mine. I recall someone having requested a response as to why we thought the picture fit the challenge, so I included it on mine. I know we are not supposed to talk about voting anywhere. Oh well, next time I'll be more careful. Thanks for the heads up.

Cheers,
Brent
Doug Barber said:
Midnight:
Just took a look at your shot and thought I would send you a quick
note.
First, it is a good shot and I think you are right it tells a story
that is very much a part of our society.
One thing I would like to comment on is the fact that you asked
before you shot... This in my mind is VERY important. But to take
this thought one step further... if you are going to take someone’s
photo and plan to post it in a public place like the Internet...
Make sure you really cover your entire basis... If you don't there
could be some major consequences that I’m sure you will not want
any part of.
Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These
challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your
entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to
ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible
voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there
and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the
“CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about
different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.
Other than that I'm glad to see that you pushed the "POST BUTTON"
and jumped into the water. Welcome aboard.

--
Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
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Hi Guys,
Just a note on rule 10...

10. Absolutely no comments/suggestions etc should be made in reply to an entry in the "Challenge # - SUBMIT - THEME TITLE" post/thread.

The original purpose of this rule was to restrict other people chatting/asking questions about an entry in the Submit thread. From what I understand we were allowing people to explain their entry and reasons for it... just that others couldn't reply about it in the Submit thread.

This is why the rule reads... "no comments/suggestions etc should be made in REPLY to an entry".

I hope this helps. :-)

If you think we need to change the rules to prevent explanations by the entrant about their entry, maybe we need to look at it and see what everyone thinks.

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Doug Barber said:
Midnight:
Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These
challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your
entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to
ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible
voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there
and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the
“CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about
different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.
--
Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
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I just read Brent's entry and maybe this part should be reduced...
Member said:
I like this picture for two reasons 1) George's Mona Lisa like smile 2) It reflects the serene calm that can be enjoyed while sailing - even on a cloudy day. It makes me want to get back on the boat with friends. Overall it does what I think we should all do in the contest, not just show faces, but show how those faces reflect the world in which we live. This is not just a question of ethnicity or skin color also how we or rather our subject interacts with the world. I think this one accomplishes it - well at least with regard to the joy of sailing.
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If this is the part you were referring to, maybe that sort of comment should be reduced. It does seem to be a bit more like a voting explanation, rather than info on actually taking the shot.

I know Brent wasn't meaning to border the limits of the rules (which are not very clear on this subject), so maybe we need to clarify this in the next Challenge's rules?

This area is likely to be a very fine line to work on... since people need to be able to explain their entry, but not in such a way that it outlines the exact reasons why someone should give it a vote. :-)

I think that Brent's entry (and any others that have written in the same way) should still be left in the Challenge, since we haven't been very clear on this issue with the rule wording.

Any comments from any of you would be most welcome! This is YOUR Challenge, so make sure you give your opinions on any issues that concern you! :-)

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Michael Offe said:
10. Absolutely no comments/suggestions etc should be made in reply
to an entry in the "Challenge # - SUBMIT - THEME TITLE" post/thread.

The original purpose of this rule was to restrict other people
chatting/asking questions about an entry in the Submit thread.
From what I understand we were allowing people to explain their
entry and reasons for it... just that others couldn't reply about
it in the Submit thread.

This is why the rule reads... "no comments/suggestions etc should
be made in REPLY to an entry".

I hope this helps. :-)

If you think we need to change the rules to prevent explanations by
the entrant about their entry, maybe we need to look at it and see
what everyone thinks.

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Doug Barber said:
Midnight:
Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These
challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your
entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to
ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible
voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there
and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the
“CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about
different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.
--
Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
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Oh my. Are Brent & I both in trouble? I actually followed his lead by adding such a lengthy post w/my submission. I did realize one should not comment on other's submissions before voting.

I was very excited to enter my first challenge and the explanation was to comment on the PROCESS of the challenge rather than the picture itself. I did wonder if I should have posted those remarks only in the Chat thread instead.

I almost added how I was sorry for such a lengthy explanation and in the future would not do so, but.........that would have made the post even longer! :-)

Thank you all for the heads up and helping me get things right.

midnight2, cp775,4500
 
Seeing so many posts on the rules etc, many made by myself ;-()

I think the real challenge is up to the winner when picking the theme for the next challenge!

The guys in the canon challenge mainly just pick the subject with a few ground rules mainly regarding size and dimensions, and then let everyone have at it! Too much photoshop? let the viewer decide? I like the black and white approach myself. Either have strict rules or have almost none.

The winner is picked on the best photo. A picture taken with a low res camera on a low light day etc etc, could very well be the "best" picture!

Not sure who came up with the idea of the challenge in this forum but maybe it has grown up quickly and needs some direction? Too may cooks in the kitchen so to speak.
 
I suggest an easy-to-follow rule about comments/explanation for challenge photos: let's allow it and limit it to 50 words (or 100, it's up to us :).
Now why do I suggest that:

Of course, what we really want is to avoid the sales pitch/begging for votes kind of comment. But this rule would be hard to formulate and follow.

Why not prohibit comments entirely? Because I think it is a big part and a challenge of photography trade/art to take a picture which delivers right message. So when I read the comment under someone's photo, I am looking for the INTENDED MESSAGE of their photo. I give extra points to those who got it right, and take away from those who missed their own goal.

Hence my suggestion: Let us explain what our photos were SUPPOSED to tell and show! This will be an extra challenge that we take on ourselves. And we will make it short too. :)

With best regards to all, and big thanks to organizers of challenges!
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Elias (coolpix 4500, UV filter, slave flash, plus trivial digital stuff)
http://www.pbase.com/elias
'Experience is something you gain right after you needed it'
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Michael Offe said:
10. Absolutely no comments/suggestions etc should be made in reply
to an entry in the "Challenge # - SUBMIT - THEME TITLE" post/thread.

The original purpose of this rule was to restrict other people
chatting/asking questions about an entry in the Submit thread.
From what I understand we were allowing people to explain their
entry and reasons for it... just that others couldn't reply about
it in the Submit thread.

This is why the rule reads... "no comments/suggestions etc should
be made in REPLY to an entry".

I hope this helps. :-)

If you think we need to change the rules to prevent explanations by
the entrant about their entry, maybe we need to look at it and see
what everyone thinks.

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Doug Barber said:
Midnight:
Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These
challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your
entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to
ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible
voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there
and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the
“CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about
different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.
--
Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
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I think the rules are fine, the problem lies more in the
fact that some people don't like to read "shoot first-
ask questions later" mentality. The rules allow structure
and allow people to refine their skillsets within a defined
perimeter. I believe having defined rules for these challenges
will bring out more of the artistic creativity within people being
that it's not a free for all and thusly sharpening a defined narrow
scope of a area.

Sid
Ginko said:
Seeing so many posts on the rules etc, many made by myself ;-()

I think the real challenge is up to the winner when picking the
theme for the next challenge!

The guys in the canon challenge mainly just pick the subject with a
few ground rules mainly regarding size and dimensions, and then let
everyone have at it! Too much photoshop? let the viewer decide? I
like the black and white approach myself. Either have strict rules
or have almost none.

The winner is picked on the best photo. A picture taken with a low
res camera on a low light day etc etc, could very well be the
"best" picture!

Not sure who came up with the idea of the challenge in this forum
but maybe it has grown up quickly and needs some direction? Too may
cooks in the kitchen so to speak.
Click to expand...
--
Yahoo 4500 Community:

Sid's Pics:
http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500
Cryptome.org:
http://cryptome.org/
Bird Of Prey:
 
I really don't feel at the time of the post is a good time to
analyze or self-analyze your picture. The art of photography
is simply that the picture itself should tell the story IMHO..

Sid
elias said:
With best regards to all, and big thanks to organizers of challenges!
--
Elias (coolpix 4500, UV filter, slave flash, plus trivial digital
stuff)
http://www.pbase.com/elias
'Experience is something you gain right after you needed it'
--
Michael Offe said:
10. Absolutely no comments/suggestions etc should be made in reply
to an entry in the "Challenge # - SUBMIT - THEME TITLE" post/thread.

The original purpose of this rule was to restrict other people
chatting/asking questions about an entry in the Submit thread.
From what I understand we were allowing people to explain their
entry and reasons for it... just that others couldn't reply about
it in the Submit thread.

This is why the rule reads... "no comments/suggestions etc should
be made in REPLY to an entry".

I hope this helps. :-)

If you think we need to change the rules to prevent explanations by
the entrant about their entry, maybe we need to look at it and see
what everyone thinks.

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Doug Barber said:
Midnight:
Finally I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up... These
challenges have a rule that "no descriptions" can accompany your
entry... it is the last rule posted. I think the rule was put in to
ensure that people were not giving sales pitches to possible
voters. Personally, I'm not sure of its validity but it is there
and I just thought I would let you know. That is why we have the
“CHAT” thread… it gives everyone the ability to talk about
different photos and issues that come up during the challenge.
--
Cheers
Doug B.
CP5700; PS7; MAC Ti-Book G4
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--
Yahoo 4500 Community:

Sid's Pics:
http://www.pbase.com/sid_daley/coolpix_4500
Cryptome.org:
http://cryptome.org/
Bird Of Prey:
 
But I think the first rule should be, READ THE RULES! :-)

It would be nice to see a challenge page where all the titles say SUBMIT.... instead of SUBMIT followed by OOPs or other comments.

Regards Sheila

NCP5
 
Sid Daley said:
I really don't feel at the time of the post is a good time to
analyze or self-analyze your picture. The art of photography
is simply that the picture itself should tell the story IMHO..

Sid
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I think that is my opinion too.

Explain how you took your photo, the settings you used, and any little tricks that may help others with similar shots. Just try not to analyze the photo.

Any other ideas on this?

Yours sincerely,
Michael Offe,
South Australia.
Sid Daley said:
elias said:
I suggest an easy-to-follow rule about comments/explanation for
challenge photos: let's allow it and limit it to 50 words (or 100,
it's up to us :).
Now why do I suggest that:
Of course, what we really want is to avoid the sales
pitch/begging for votes kind of comment. But this rule would be
hard to formulate and follow.
Why not prohibit comments entirely? Because I think it is a big
part and a challenge of photography trade/art to take a picture
which delivers right message. So when I read the comment under
someone's photo, I am looking for the INTENDED MESSAGE of their
photo. I give extra points to those who got it right, and take away
from those who missed their own goal.
Hence my suggestion: Let us explain what our photos were SUPPOSED
to tell and show! This will be an extra challenge that we take on
ourselves. And we will make it short too. :)

With best regards to all, and big thanks to organizers of challenges!
--
Elias (coolpix 4500, UV filter, slave flash, plus trivial digital
stuff)
http://www.pbase.com/elias
'Experience is something you gain right after you needed it'
--
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