Sigma & Sony

lkittle · Feb 12, 2011

Ah, what a marriage it would be. A Foveon X3 sensor in a NEX body! Sigma has the sensor, Sony the expertise. Dear, Sigma, if you truely love the the Foveon, let it go. Let it fly away to Sony so that the NEX really could be the NEXt big thing. All those M adapted NEX 5's with their lusheousus Leica lenses mounted just a kiss away from an X3. With just the click of the shutter, I could be a happy man.

Happy Valentine's Day to all you Foveon fellows!

bluekite · Feb 13, 2011

Sony is not interested in buying Foveon.

I think if they did, they would have brought it ages ago.

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SigmaChrome · Feb 13, 2011

Rose-coloured Troll.

lkittle said:
Ah, what a marriage it would be. A Foveon X3 sensor in a NEX body! Sigma has the sensor, Sony the expertise. Dear, Sigma, if you truely love the the Foveon, let it go. Let it fly away to Sony so that the NEX really could be the NEXt big thing. All those M adapted NEX 5's with their lusheousus Leica lenses mounted just a kiss away from an X3. With just the click of the shutter, I could be a happy man.

Happy Valentine's Day to all you Foveon fellows!

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lkittle · Feb 13, 2011

Please, I'm not a troll, rose or any other colored. I'm just, in a fanciful way, expressing how impressed I am with the Foveon sensor and the compact size of the Sony NEX cameras. My ideal camera would be aforementioned Sigma/Sony, or a DP with interchangeable lenses or a Ricoh GXR with a Foveon sensor, M mount module.

Marfalkov · Feb 13, 2011

i think Sony are working on their own 3 layered sensor.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/one-more-foveon-like-sony-patent/

lkittle said:
Please, I'm not a troll, rose or any other colored. I'm just, in a fanciful way, expressing how impressed I am with the Foveon sensor and the compact size of the Sony NEX cameras. My ideal camera would be aforementioned Sigma/Sony, or a DP with interchangeable lenses or a Ricoh GXR with a Foveon sensor, M mount module.

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Roland Karlsson · Feb 13, 2011

And personally I would love a Foveon equipped body with K-mount, because I have lots of such lenses.

And ... someone else with brand X lenses would like ...

There is no end to what people want. Unfortunately, we (they) will not get it.

Sigma wants to be a player in the DSLR market with their own system.

Money? They have lots of it already!

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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner · Feb 13, 2011

An interesting idea but of course Sony makes tons of sensors, there's no way they would use a sensor from another company. It's probably one reason they didn't buy Foveon themselves, the old "not invented here" philosophy.

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rick decker · Feb 13, 2011

There was a rumor some years ago that Sony bought a substantial quantity of Foveon sensors for r&d purposes. Given the corporate nature of Sony, Nikon and Canon, I would expect Sony to hit the street first.

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KM Legacy · Feb 13, 2011

The lenses on the Sigma DPs are tiny gems. The Sony lenses on the NEX are oversized and optically mediocre. Here's my variation of your dream: "Please, Sigma, quit trying to match Canikon with obsolescent clunky SLR technology. Put the SD-1 sensor in a compact mirrorless body. Use a decent LCD this time. Use top quality primes like the DP lenses. You will have a camera no competitor can touch."

SaltandPepper · Feb 13, 2011

Sigma would only meet you guys half way: SD1 with removable SA mount

Ringwraith69 · Feb 14, 2011

Honestly, if I could choose a type of camera I would love to see the Foveon sensor in, it would be a rangefinder.

Imagine, having the silky filmlike image quality of the Foveon mated to something like the Cosina-Voigtländer OEM-rangefinder components. We could have a Voigtländer Bessa X3D, an Epson R-DX3, a Zeiss-Ikon ZM-X3. Or let's go an even more exotic route: a Contax GX3 or a Konica Hexar X3 :0.

Yes, I know, it's probably a totally pointless bit of daydreaming, but at least for me a Foveon-based rangefinder would beat the idea of that horrid NEX-body combined with 'our' beloved sensor.

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HBowman · Feb 14, 2011

KM Legacy said:
The lenses on the Sigma DPs are tiny gems. The Sony lenses on the NEX are oversized and optically mediocre. Here's my variation of your dream: "Please, Sigma, quit trying to match Canikon with obsolescent clunky SLR technology. Put the SD-1 sensor in a compact mirrorless body. Use a decent LCD this time. Use top quality primes like the DP lenses. You will have a camera no competitor can touch."

I totally agree but U are gentle when saying that Sony lenses are "optically mediocre":

They are "optically crap", thats a fact. Ppl who find those lens good have eye problems.

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D Cox · Feb 14, 2011

Ringwraith69 said:
Honestly, if I could choose a type of camera I would love to see the Foveon sensor in, it would be a rangefinder.

Imagine, having the silky filmlike image quality of the Foveon mated to something like the Cosina-Voigtländer OEM-rangefinder components. We could have a Voigtländer Bessa X3D, an Epson R-DX3, a Zeiss-Ikon ZM-X3. Or let's go an even more exotic route: a Contax GX3 or a Konica Hexar X3 :0.

Yes, I know, it's probably a totally pointless bit of daydreaming, but at least for me a Foveon-based rangefinder would beat the idea of that horrid NEX-body combined with 'our' beloved sensor.

The NEX body is ugly, but it is very practical for applied photography. For example, microscope photography, or use on a bellows with movements. It is ideal (in shape) for adapting all kinds of old lenses and special optics.

The shape is actually almost the same as a roll film back I have for 4x5 cameras. Think of the NEX as a camera back rather than a camera.

SigmaChrome · Feb 14, 2011

Sounds like a plan to me.

Ringwraith69 said:
Honestly, if I could choose a type of camera I would love to see the Foveon sensor in, it would be a rangefinder.

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SunsetMagnet · Feb 14, 2011

KM Legacy said:
The lenses on the Sigma DPs are tiny gems. The Sony lenses on the NEX are oversized and optically mediocre. Here's my variation of your dream: "Please, Sigma, quit trying to match Canikon with obsolescent clunky SLR technology. Put the SD-1 sensor in a compact mirrorless body. Use a decent LCD this time. Use top quality primes like the DP lenses. You will have a camera no competitor can touch."

u would have better chances begging ricoh GXR for it...surely they are desperate now that the 4/3 have so much support...

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exdeejjjaaaa · Feb 14, 2011

lkittle said:
With just the click of the shutter, I could be a happy man.

w/ a click of a mouse you can buy yourself a Sigma camera.

now that you know what you shall do, go away and don't come back without either SD or DP camera... we are tired here from that endless drooling of C&N&S folks over our sensor... it is wet enough here already.

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tsadm · Feb 14, 2011

lkittle said:
Ah, what a marriage it would be. A Foveon X3 sensor in a NEX body!

So you'd take the weaker sensor and put it into very unergonomic body

I guess this marriage would be one of those ones that get into the news

FritsThomsen · Feb 14, 2011

exdeejjjaaaa said:
lkittle said:

With just the click of the shutter, I could be a happy man.

Click to expand...

w/ a click of a mouse you can buy yourself a Sigma camera.

now that you know what you shall do, go away and don't come back without either SD or DP camera... we are tired here from that endless drooling of C&N&S folks over our sensor... it is wet enough here already.

we ?? please talk for yourself

I am actually delighted than people from other fora do come and visit us here in the Sigma -cave

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lkittle · Feb 16, 2011

Thanks for the welcome Fritts; I appreciate the hospitality. I’ve been following this forum’s postings closely for the last week or two. I’m a Canon user (5D), but read about the Foveon sensor years ago in Time magazine way before Foveon was bought by Sigma. I’ve always read the reviews on the various Sigma cameras as they came out and generally conclude that they were “not ready for prime time.” So I bought heavily into Canon. My third Canon was the 5D. I expected it would finally give me the detail I sought in my photos. Let’s just say I wasn’t completely satisfied.

I came over to the Sigma forum to read what was being said about the DP. I read a review a guy wrote about the DP in which he showed the 100% crops of a Canon G11 and a T2i and the DP. The DP blew the two Canons out of the water. The DP 100% crop had the detail I’d been looking for. I’m going to get a DP, possibly a SD1. Search over!

txabi · Feb 16, 2011

KM Legacy said:
"Please, Sigma... Put the SD-1 sensor in a compact mirrorless body. Use a decent LCD this time. Use top quality primes like the DP lenses. You will have a camera no competitor can touch."

Completely agreed. Call it a DP3. Heaven.

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