Micro focus adjustment

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I have a Canon 5d mkII. Is it worth doing MFA with zoom lenses?
I have a 24-105 and a 70-200.

I can see how it would help a prime lens to better focus but with a zoom? Wouldn't adjusting the 24mm setting mess up the lens when used at 105mm? Or do you just adjust the lens at a middle zoom setting?

Confused as always,
Owen
 
First paragraph in the 7D and 5DII manuals on MA .

"Normally this adjustment is not required. Do this adjustment only if necessary. Note that doing this adjustment may prevent correct focusing from being achieved".

First sentence of Last paragraph

"It is best to make the adjustment at the actual place you will shoot. This will make the adjustment more precise".

I have read that you are supposed to set a zoom at it's longest focal length. After some testing I got different readings at different focal lenghts. Had the same testing primes at different distances to the target. If I used a prime at the same distance to my target at all times I would use it.

There are too many methods, distance to target suggestions, etc, out there so I have chosen not to use it at this time. I'm not saying I am right. That is just my personal choice.

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I carried out Micro focus adjustment on my 100-400 which was exhibiting front focusing. Applying +6 AF MA has turned the lens from being so-so into a real stunner! None of my other lenses exhibited any focus anomalies and that was confirmed when I checked them out.
Here is a shot after adjustment, sorry haven't got any before shots.





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Phil

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Wow, you cannot argue with this result, looks perfect to me!
I carried out Micro focus adjustment on my 100-400 which was exhibiting front focusing. Applying +6 AF MA has turned the lens from being so-so into a real stunner! None of my other lenses exhibited any focus anomalies and that was confirmed when I checked them out.
Here is a shot after adjustment, sorry haven't got any before shots.





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Phil

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
 
If your zoom lens looks good then I would not worry about micro adjust.

You can always setup a static test and tests the zoom lens through out the focal length.

Now misconceptions. I don't know where most owners think it normal for a zoom lens to drift focus through out the focal range.

I can tell you that all of my zoom focus dead center.

If they are out I would send them back for service so that at all focal length its accurate.
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I had my 5DII with 24-105 kit lens for several months before I tried the micro adjust...... it made a HUGE difference, like a different lens, way more tack sharp shots. Later I bought a used 70-200 F2.8 IS and just did it right away and am very happy with the lens. Bought a new 16-35 2.8 II and it needed a bit as well.
I would say give it a try, no big deal to reset back to zero if your not happy.
 
Wow, you cannot argue with this result, looks perfect to me!
Yes, I think it was well worth me taking the time and effort to calibrate the camera/lens as it has really helped the performance of this lens.

I have since got a second 7D and with this same lens it also needs the +6 AF MA as well. So definitely a lens misalignment, which thankfully AF MA sorts out and saves me returning the lens to Canon. Which I am a bit nervous about having read some of the tales on these forums.
I carried out Micro focus adjustment on my 100-400 which was exhibiting front focusing. Applying +6 AF MA has turned the lens from being so-so into a real stunner! None of my other lenses exhibited any focus anomalies and that was confirmed when I checked them out.
Here is a shot after adjustment, sorry haven't got any before shots.





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Phil

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
 
I had my 5DII with 24-105 kit lens for several months before I tried the micro adjust...... it made a HUGE difference, like a different lens, way more tack sharp shots. Later I bought a used 70-200 F2.8 IS and just did it right away and am very happy with the lens. Bought a new 16-35 2.8 II and it needed a bit as well.
I would say give it a try, no big deal to reset back to zero if your not happy.
At what zoom setting did you adjust the 24-105mm?

Owen
 
Birdbrain,

What MF method did you use? Lensalign or something else?
Thanks.
I carried out Micro focus adjustment on my 100-400 which was exhibiting front focusing. Applying +6 AF MA has turned the lens from being so-so into a real stunner!
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I took some time doing shots at 24, 70ish and 105. They all seemed similar to me and I found a +6 gave best results. I started out taking shots at -10, -5, 0, +5, +10 at the 3 different zooms, this makes it easy to see some changes, I saw all were sharper in the +5 to +10 so I fine tuned from there and +6 seemed best and I really didn't notice a difference from 24 to 105.

I also read a post about rather than doing 100% crops trying to find the sharpest you can read the file size (larger the file sharper the picture) and again playing around that did seem to be the case.
 
I didn't use any fancy gizmo, I actually used a small ornament with a fair bit of detail on its surface which was easy to see if it was in focus or not.

So my process in a bit more detail was:

I first turned the focus ring round to infinity and got the camera to auto focus on the object. Looking on the computer screen and zooming in I then clicked the right facing focus arrow until the object was in focus. (I had already worked out my 100-400 was front focussing.) I would go beyond the focus point and then back just to make sure.

I would then repeat the test having turned the focus ring to the minimum focus distance. I am not sure if you need to do this it just seemed a good idea.

Having counted the number of clicks required to get it in focus, in my case 7. I then dialled that in as the correction and carried out the focus check again. In the end I found I needed 6 as the correction factor.

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Phil

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
 
First paragraph in the 7D and 5DII manuals on MA .

"Normally this adjustment is not required. Do this adjustment only if necessary. Note that doing this adjustment may prevent correct focusing from being achieved".
This advice is rubbish, and is presumably there to protect Canon from complaints from users who don't manage to set up MA properly and make things worse rather than better. Many lenses, especially in the telephoto range, benefit from accurate MA setting.
First sentence of Last paragraph

"It is best to make the adjustment at the actual place you will shoot. This will make the adjustment more precise".
And this is sort of half-rubbish. Setting up MA properly is a bit like doing lens testing; carefully controlled conditions and a reliable methodology are essential. It is not a task to try and do when you are shoorting. What is not rubbish is that the correct amount of MA may, and often does, depend on focused distance and, for a zoom lens, on zoom setting. If tests show that your lens needs varying amounts of MA, then use careful testing to determine the appropriate anount for various different distance and zom combinations and record this information, then make the appropriate setting when you are shooting. In that sense the advice is good.

Even better advice is that if a lens displays a varying MA requirement, or needs a large amount of MA, send it to Canon for calibration. A bit of MA fine-tuning may still be desirable after calibration, especially if the camera body has not been calibrated, but once that has been done, behaviour should then be consistent.
 
Thanks for the detailed response.
I didn't use any fancy gizmo, I actually used a small ornament with a fair bit of detail on its surface which was easy to see if it was in focus or not.
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Phil

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?
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Deji
 
First paragraph in the 7D and 5DII manuals on MA .

"Normally this adjustment is not required. Do this adjustment only if necessary. Note that doing this adjustment may prevent correct focusing from being achieved".
This advice is rubbish, and is presumably there to protect Canon from complaints from users who don't manage to set up MA properly and make things worse rather than better. Many lenses, especially in the telephoto range, benefit from accurate MA setting.
First sentence of Last paragraph

"It is best to make the adjustment at the actual place you will shoot. This will make the adjustment more precise".
And this is sort of half-rubbish. Setting up MA properly is a bit like doing lens testing; carefully controlled conditions and a reliable methodology are essential. It is not a task to try and do when you are shoorting. What is not rubbish is that the correct amount of MA may, and often does, depend on focused distance and, for a zoom lens, on zoom setting. If tests show that your lens needs varying amounts of MA, then use careful testing to determine the appropriate anount for various different distance and zom combinations and record this information, then make the appropriate setting when you are shooting. In that sense the advice is good.

Even better advice is that if a lens displays a varying MA requirement, or needs a large amount of MA, send it to Canon for calibration. A bit of MA fine-tuning may still be desirable after calibration, especially if the camera body has not been calibrated, but once that has been done, behaviour should then be consistent.
Don't complain to me friend. I did not write the manual. Send a letter to Canon.

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When things go too smoothly it's life's way of throwing you off balance.
 
Don't complain to me friend. I did not write the manual. Send a letter to Canon.

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Sorry, I thought it was clear that it was Canon's advice that I was rubbishing. I was not directing my comment at you.
 
Don't complain to me friend. I did not write the manual. Send a letter to Canon.

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Sorry, I thought it was clear that it was Canon's advice that I was rubbishing. I was not directing my comment at you.
No problem. I did wonder about that. Driving to work I figured it was more than likely directed at Canon. I have no doubt that people get satisfactory results using. I have chosen not to use it and occasiaonlly I pay price for not towing the line around here :)

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When things go too smoothly it's life's way of throwing you off balance.
 
Many Canon zooms are parfocal or near parfocal - that is they maintain focus throughout the change in focal length. Theoretically, if you perform MA at one focal length it should be reasonably valid at others though there are a lot of variables including distance to target, etc. Most people try to perfrom MA at a minimum of 20x to 50x the FL.
I had my 5DII with 24-105 kit lens for several months before I tried the micro adjust...... it made a HUGE difference, like a different lens, way more tack sharp shots. Later I bought a used 70-200 F2.8 IS and just did it right away and am very happy with the lens. Bought a new 16-35 2.8 II and it needed a bit as well.
I would say give it a try, no big deal to reset back to zero if your not happy.
At what zoom setting did you adjust the 24-105mm?

Owen
 

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