scully116215
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Any thoughts on the best external flash for the S602Z hotshoe?
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Best external flash for S602Z
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stumpy.uk
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I don't know about the best flash for the 602 but......
I had a cobra auto 280 flash for mine. It was a bounce and zoom model with 2 auto positions and a manual setting. BUT it died after a week and less than 20 shots. So I would probably steer clear. (even though the trigger voltage was ultra low @ 3.44v)
I have a sunpak 383 super on order now ;-)
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
Bill C
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Hi ... I suggest you do a search in this forum - this topic has been discussed many times ... use keywords 602 external flash --- many good message threads.
I use a Sunpak 383 (tilt and swivel head with variable power).... I use a stroboframe bracket (I like the flash off the camera), and usually use an Ominibounce diffuser ... although there are many other alternatives ... including a 3by5 card taped to the head.
Regards,
Bill
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EJN
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stumpy -
Glad to hear you got fixed up wth yourflash. I settled on the Metz 32-Z1 eventually from ProfessionalCameras in Conwy but as they're closed now for hols it's coming direct from Hasselblad - but still waiting. Looking around for a slave - Wein peanut is a possibility (got a link) but not knowing much about them I'm still trying to find something local I can look at.
EJN
Glad to hear you got fixed up wth yourflash. I settled on the Metz 32-Z1 eventually from ProfessionalCameras in Conwy but as they're closed now for hols it's coming direct from Hasselblad - but still waiting. Looking around for a slave - Wein peanut is a possibility (got a link) but not knowing much about them I'm still trying to find something local I can look at.
EJN
LutherHeggs
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Bill C
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I use a Wein HotShoe Slave
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh2.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___263024___WEHSD___REG___CatID=0___SID=F1B68BE3CB0
works great - of course, I'm not using it with a 'studio flash', but an older external 'hot shoe' flash
Bill
stumpy.uk
Active member
EJN
I tried to contact them 3 times on the phone. just kept ringing everytime.
I must have been calling them at peak times. Would have been Ideal really,cause we have delivery vans that go to conwy so the driver could have collected for me.
Still a local shop in Chester matched a net price for the sunpak, so I have no complaints.
Thanks for remembering me
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
aperture
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Flash/strobe information/tips/tricks etc.
Fuji's reply to trigger voltages
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=2086459
List of various brands and trigger voltages
http://www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html
Steve's review of Quantary MS1
http://www.steves-digicams.com/ms-1.html
General Electronic Flash info
http://www.photoimagenews.com/flash.htm
Flash tip & tricks
http://www.central-camera.com/flash/metz/flash_tips.htm
Use of slave flash
http://www.shortcourses.com/how/slave/slave.htm
Info on flash repair
http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/strbfaq.htm
Sunpak flash review
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=2584178
Flash/Strobe websites by brand
SR Electronics
http://www.srelectronics.com/
Sunpak
http://www.tocad.com/sunpak.html
SunTax
http://www.suntax.com.sg/Default.asp
ProMaster
http://promaster.com/
http://www.paramountcords.com/vp.htm
Stofen
http://www.stofen.com/
LumiQuest
http://www.dpreview.com/misc/rdr.asp?url=http://www.lumiquest.com
Phoenix
http://www.pcaol.com/
Vivitar
http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html
StroboFrame Brackets
http://www.saundersphoto.com/html/body_wo_grip.htm
Nikon
http://www.nikon.com/
Metz
http://www.bogenphoto.com/webmetz.htm
Fuji
http://www.fujifilm.com/
Fuji's reply to trigger voltages
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=2086459
List of various brands and trigger voltages
http://www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html
Steve's review of Quantary MS1
http://www.steves-digicams.com/ms-1.html
General Electronic Flash info
http://www.photoimagenews.com/flash.htm
Flash tip & tricks
http://www.central-camera.com/flash/metz/flash_tips.htm
Use of slave flash
http://www.shortcourses.com/how/slave/slave.htm
Info on flash repair
http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/strbfaq.htm
Sunpak flash review
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=2584178
Flash/Strobe websites by brand
SR Electronics
http://www.srelectronics.com/
Sunpak
http://www.tocad.com/sunpak.html
SunTax
http://www.suntax.com.sg/Default.asp
ProMaster
http://promaster.com/
http://www.paramountcords.com/vp.htm
Stofen
http://www.stofen.com/
LumiQuest
http://www.dpreview.com/misc/rdr.asp?url=http://www.lumiquest.com
Phoenix
http://www.pcaol.com/
Vivitar
http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Flashes/flash.html
StroboFrame Brackets
http://www.saundersphoto.com/html/body_wo_grip.htm
Nikon
http://www.nikon.com/
Metz
http://www.bogenphoto.com/webmetz.htm
Fuji
http://www.fujifilm.com/
These are among th most poweful hotshoe flash and offers lots of features (strobe, LCD control, som ewith secondary flash, built-in diffuser, built-in bounce card for the Nikon, tilt, swivel, etc). Nikon SB28 will work well too but a bit lower powered than the SB80DX.
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EJN
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stumpy -
My Metz 32-Z1 arrived this morning and now set-up and tried. All I can say is that if your 283 works out as well, you're in for a treat. I'm delighted with this. Had to do a few tests as you can imagine but finally set on 100 ISO (I suppose that does matter even in Manual mode) I finally settled on 1/1000 at f4 (bounced from ceiling) and in an ordinary domestic room it works like a charm. With what I think is a slightly higher power on the 283 (isn't it?) I'd suggest you set it at 1/000 f5.6 for starters and I bet that will be fine. Believe me , it's great anyway - just to whet your appetite !!
EJN
My Metz 32-Z1 arrived this morning and now set-up and tried. All I can say is that if your 283 works out as well, you're in for a treat. I'm delighted with this. Had to do a few tests as you can imagine but finally set on 100 ISO (I suppose that does matter even in Manual mode) I finally settled on 1/1000 at f4 (bounced from ceiling) and in an ordinary domestic room it works like a charm. With what I think is a slightly higher power on the 283 (isn't it?) I'd suggest you set it at 1/000 f5.6 for starters and I bet that will be fine. Believe me , it's great anyway - just to whet your appetite !!
EJN
EJN
I tried to contact them 3 times on the phone. just kept ringing
everytime.
I must have been calling them at peak times. Would have been Ideal
really,cause we have delivery vans that go to conwy so the driver
could have collected for me.
Still a local shop in Chester matched a net price for the sunpak,
so I have no complaints.
Thanks for remembering me
That should work pretty well though you need to compensate a bit when bouncing. I used to have the 32Z1 and have gotten great pics from it. Use a slower shutter speed if you want to capture more of the ambient lighting.
283 also have several auto modes that'll work pretty well (follow the settings indicated on the flash and set the camera accordingly).
283 also have several auto modes that'll work pretty well (follow the settings indicated on the flash and set the camera accordingly).
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EJN
Guest
Following your header enquiry - no, I've so far used Manual setting on the Metz. I understood that you could not use TTL Auto setting with the 602 (or other digis mostly) but I did try that after a brief unexpected comment that way witrh a fella in Jessops this morning - his father-in-law apparently using Auto on his 602. I tried the Metz on Auto , thinking this would auto give the required light but it just seemed to wash-out. Doing something wrong maybe? If the Metz IS set to Auto, what do you use on the 602 then ?? 'M' setting, 'S' setting, 'A'setting ????
EJN
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stumpy.uk
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EJN
As I understand it, External flashes can't work in TTL mode because they only have a single center contact.
The Auto mode on the flash is used to describe the thyristor circuitry.
The cobra flash I had (which died after a week) had a sensor in it,and when set to auto it varied the output of the flash. Manual on the flash meant full intensity of flash was used every time.
The camera still needs to be set to M,P,A to enable the adjustments of the shutter....F stop....etc.
I hope thats right.
will someone explain if it's not?
stumpy
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
stumpy.uk
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edit....got my modes mixed up on the 602.
M
A
S
were the one's I tried using the 602 on with the cobra flash
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
M
A
S
were the one's I tried using the 602 on with the cobra flash
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
E
EJN
Guest
stumpy -
Yes, just to clarify the situation here with this Metz .. I started 'automatically' (excuse the pun!) with the flash in Manual mode then going on what I'd read here recently I set via the 'S' - 'A' - 'M' modes the 1/1000 and then after a bit of trial and error found that f4.5 seems to give pretty good results about the domestic environment so use this now 'for starters'. If the ambient light or other conditions are varied I can easily change to say f4 or whatever, but the 1/1000 at f4.5 has worked out pretty good today over quite a lot of different 'test' shots of just nothing (!!) but all tests
Hope you get your 283 soon and have the same fun ..
EJN
EJN
Yes, just to clarify the situation here with this Metz .. I started 'automatically' (excuse the pun!) with the flash in Manual mode then going on what I'd read here recently I set via the 'S' - 'A' - 'M' modes the 1/1000 and then after a bit of trial and error found that f4.5 seems to give pretty good results about the domestic environment so use this now 'for starters'. If the ambient light or other conditions are varied I can easily change to say f4 or whatever, but the 1/1000 at f4.5 has worked out pretty good today over quite a lot of different 'test' shots of just nothing (!!) but all tests
Hope you get your 283 soon and have the same fun ..
EJN
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EJN
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EJN wrote:
Tight crop of just a quick sample - mag propped up on the piano (!) and using above mentioned settings, bounced off ceiling at 11pm so just more or less Metz light - ceiling light hardly effective. Distance direct camera to mag I suppose about 6 to 7 feet minimum. You should see it WITHOUT flash !!! Raring to go with something a bit more worthwhile..
EJN
Tight crop of just a quick sample - mag propped up on the piano (!) and using above mentioned settings, bounced off ceiling at 11pm so just more or less Metz light - ceiling light hardly effective. Distance direct camera to mag I suppose about 6 to 7 feet minimum. You should see it WITHOUT flash !!! Raring to go with something a bit more worthwhile..
EJN
stumpy.uk
Active member
That looks cool m8.
I can't wait for the sunpak to arrive
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
I can't wait for the sunpak to arrive
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If I can take a picture 1/2 as good as I imagine it to be, i'll be happy
It's meant for external flash with a single point of contact. Check out the flash manual, it should describe how to use it. Basically, you set the ISO on the flash, and set the slider accordingly (there're 3 auto modes, one manual and one wide). Note this refers to the FLASH, not the camera. Check out the pic below:
The 3 "A" are the 3 auto modes on the flash. When you change the slider to any one of them, you'll get a aperture setting. Set this on the camera (Manual or Aperture Priority if bright) and you can get perfect exposure over a range of distance (direct on). If you bounce, you could adjust your exposure by one or two stop.
I've used the flash for more than 6 months and know what I'm doing.
The 3 "A" are the 3 auto modes on the flash. When you change the slider to any one of them, you'll get a aperture setting. Set this on the camera (Manual or Aperture Priority if bright) and you can get perfect exposure over a range of distance (direct on). If you bounce, you could adjust your exposure by one or two stop.
I've used the flash for more than 6 months and know what I'm doing.
For situations where the subjects moves, using manual mode (on the FLASH) is almost impossible as you need to calculate the aperture setting on the CAMERA every time. You also save on the flash recharge times and battery life by using auto mode on the FLASH.
some samples taken using the auto mode:
some samples taken using the auto mode:
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