NEF and JPG Profile questions

MattTheHat© · Jul 29, 2000

Hello all,

Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile from
Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile, again,
ColorMatch. Is this correct?

In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If so,
should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953 with
unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch is
chosen from the color space menu.)

One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?

I'm so confused!

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-MattTheHat

Ron Breault · Jul 29, 2000

MattTheHat said:
Hello all,

Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile from
Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

Yes, that is correct. MacBibble will save that profile to your file and when you
open it in PhotoShop, it will match your PhotoShop space. (Looking ahead you
said your PhotoShop space was set to ColorMatch) If you embed a different
color space into your file, PhotoShop will act according to how you have set the
alert. (Below)

Member said:
If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I
should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile, again,
ColorMatch. Is this correct?

From what I have read in this group and others, it appears that the CCD works in
NTSC space and you can do a profile to profile conversion to bring it into your
ColorMatch space. PhotoShop will not alert you of the mismatch like above.

Member said:
In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm
working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If
so,
should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953 with
unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch is
chosen from the color space menu.)

I would not recommend using any assumptions. Ask it to alert you. Since it won't
alert you when you open a JPEG, you can create a Batch process to open those
and convert. I think there is a thread in this group that goes into the pros and
cons of assumed profiles.

Member said:
One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen
color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?

On my 1270 I choose RGB color which then ties in the color space that I have set

as my default under the RGB section. The print driver will then convert from your
PhotoShop space to your print space.

Member said:
I'm so confused!

-----------
-MattTheHat

gene · Jul 29, 2000

Wouldn't it be nice if you could input D1 as your input device and Kodak 8650 dye-sub printer as your output device and info about your media time...and have everything automatically handled for you? That should be all the info that is needed to print proberly balanced photos...to really make it simple. (Who cares what it looks like on the monitor, anyway? I have a laptop that isn't and can't be color corrected anyway, but I've learned what steps it takes to get the output I want. And I know by what it looks like on the screen what needs to be done to it.

Bill

Ron Breault said:
MattTheHat said:

Hello all,

Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile from
Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

Click to expand...

Yes, that is correct. MacBibble will save that profile to your file and
when you
open it in PhotoShop, it will match your PhotoShop space. (Looking ahead you
said your PhotoShop space was set to ColorMatch) If you embed a different
color space into your file, PhotoShop will act according to how you have
set the
alert. (Below)

Member said:

If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I
should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile, again,
ColorMatch. Is this correct?

Click to expand...

From what I have read in this group and others, it appears that the CCD
works in
NTSC space and you can do a profile to profile conversion to bring it
into your
ColorMatch space. PhotoShop will not alert you of the mismatch like above.

Member said:

In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm
working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If
so,
should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953 with
unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch is
chosen from the color space menu.)

Click to expand...

I would not recommend using any assumptions. Ask it to alert you. Since
it won't
alert you when you open a JPEG, you can create a Batch process to open those
and convert. I think there is a thread in this group that goes into the
pros and
cons of assumed profiles.

Member said:

One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen
color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?

Click to expand...

On my 1270 I choose RGB color which then ties in the color space that I
have set
as my default under the RGB section. The print driver will then convert
from your
PhotoShop space to your print space.

Member said:

I'm so confused!

-----------
-MattTheHat

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Ron Breault · Jul 29, 2000

okay..........and

Bill Collins Photo said:
Bill

Ron Breault said:

MattTheHat said:

Hello all,

Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

from

gene said:
gene said:

gene said:

Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

Click to expand...

Yes, that is correct. MacBibble will save that profile to your file and
when you
open it in PhotoShop, it will match your PhotoShop space. (Looking ahead

Click to expand...

you

gene said:
gene said:

said your PhotoShop space was set to ColorMatch) If you embed a different
color space into your file, PhotoShop will act according to how you have
set the
alert. (Below)

gene said:

If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I
should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile,

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

again,

gene said:
gene said:

gene said:

ColorMatch. Is this correct?

Click to expand...

From what I have read in this group and others, it appears that the CCD
works in
NTSC space and you can do a profile to profile conversion to bring it
into your
ColorMatch space. PhotoShop will not alert you of the mismatch like above.

gene said:

In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm
working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If
so,
should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

with

gene said:
gene said:

gene said:

unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

is

gene said:
gene said:

gene said:

chosen from the color space menu.)

Click to expand...

I would not recommend using any assumptions. Ask it to alert you. Since
it won't
alert you when you open a JPEG, you can create a Batch process to open

Click to expand...

those

gene said:
gene said:

and convert. I think there is a thread in this group that goes into the
pros and
cons of assumed profiles.

gene said:

One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen
color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?

Click to expand...

On my 1270 I choose RGB color which then ties in the color space that I
have set
as my default under the RGB section. The print driver will then convert
from your
PhotoShop space to your print space.

gene said:

I'm so confused!

-----------
-MattTheHat

Click to expand...

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stanton · Jul 29, 2000

MattTheHat said:
Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

I'm no guru, but I'm finding out more and more about this every day. Today was a good day for learning.

Member said:
When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile from
Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

Yes. This appears to be correct. Perhaps others can comment on this, but as a Mac user, with gamma set to 1.8, as opposed to the PC gamma of 2.2, I like the appearance that the ColorMatch space gives me compared to Adobe 98, for instance. So, in MacBibble I will set it up to view/save in the ColorMatch space. My Photoshop RGB setup has ColorMatch as the colorspace I'm working in, so no further adjustments are usually needed.

Member said:
If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I
should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile, again,
ColorMatch. Is this correct?

At the moment this appears to be the closest one. I've talked to Nikon and though they won't "officially" declare a color space (they don't seem officially declare anything as if a lawyer stands behind each one of them with a stun gun) but NTSC to the color space of your choice seems to be the way to go.

Member said:
In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If
so, should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953 with
unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch is
chosen from the color space menu.)

This one is a bit tricky, so I won't answer because I don't KNOW it. I have my defaults set to ask when opening when PS detects a profile mismatch. Then I just guess. HOWEVER, my new routine won't bother with that any more anyway. I'm going to run ALL my jpgs thru MacBibble and just get the right color and get the image into ColorMatch. Then I won't have to worry about all that other stuff anyhow.

BTW... I just tested the MacBibble jpg batch process function. Here is a sample:

Member said:
One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen
color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?
I'm so confused!

I use a 1270. I just use the ColorMatch setting (my monitor too is calibrated and profiled...D50/1.8) and my prints off the 1270 are as close as I could expect. I tried messing with some other profile stuff, but nothing has been as close (so far) as just using the ColorMatch setting in the print dialog box.

Hope you find this helpful.
Sincerely,
Stanton
http://stantondesign.com

Eric13750 · Jul 30, 2000

Sorry I didn't answer sooner matt, but I've been out of town.

All the answers your recevied from others are correct. If you pick the same space in MacBibble as PS, you are good to go and need no other conversions.

Eric

MattTheHat said:
Hello all,

Can some helpful color gurus help me out here?

When converting NEFs with MacBibble, if I choose my workspace profile from
Bibble's color space menu, (say Colormatch), I should have to do no other
profile changes when the file is opened in PS 5.5. Is this correct?

If I'm working with JPGs that have not been altered with MacBibble, I
should do a
profile to profile conversion, say NTSC 1953 to my workspace profile, again,
ColorMatch. Is this correct?

In PS 5.5's Profile set up, should I use an assumed profile or not? I'm
working
primarily with the MacBibble converted NEFs and the unaltered D1 JPGs. If
so,
should this be my workspace profile, my calibrated monitor profile, or the
colorspace that most closely matches the file's origin? (Say NTSC 1953 with
unaltered D1 JPGs or ColorMatch on the Bibbled NEFs, where ColorMatch is
chosen from the color space menu.)

One final question: When printing to an unprofiled Epson Stylus 870, what
should I choose from the Color Space menu in the print dialog? My chosen
color
workspace (ColorMatch) I suppose?

I'm so confused!

-----------
-MattTheHat

MattTheHat© · Jul 31, 2000

Thanks for the input guys, I really do appreciate it.

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-MattTheHat

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