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If they're going to give release to a tele, it can be a 75-300 right?? I know I know, there is a gap between the SEL1855 and the 75mm but everything it's possible.

If Sony adds another unexpected lens to the 2012 lenses roadmap, I'll be really happy =D What about a Superfast 70-200 OSS f/2.8 smaller than the A-mount lens coming in 2013? xD
 
Just Having Fun said:
headofdestiny said:
There are really only two vendors making m4/3 lenses with full compatibility, so far. The Voigtlander 25/.095 barely counts, since it is a completely manual lens and not much different than adapting any other manual lens on NEX.
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Yes, the The Voigtlander 25/.095 is compatible. You do not need any adapter and it works on all bodies.

So first there was Panasonic, Olympus and Lecia (via Panasonic).
Then...
Carl Zeiss to issue cine primes for Micro Four Thirds
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10090810zeisscine.asp
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Those Zeiss lenses are also available for Canon, Nikon and Sony Alpha mounts so it doesn't seem like a big deal they are making them for m43. If anything you would probably get better resale value on the lens by buying it in Canon or Nikon mount and using an adapter.

If you really want to use them, you are probably better off with an APS-C sensor if you need wide angle coverage.

In any case, they are $4000 and weigh 2 pounds each, and does not look like they are optimized for smaller m43 or APS-C sensors.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/687429-REG/Zeiss_1835_436_Compact_Prime_CP_2_50mm_T2_1.html
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Cosina joins Micro Four Thirds system
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10082619cosinamicrofourthirds.asp

Schneider-Kreuznach joins Micro Four Thirds
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11020405schneiderkreuznachmicrofourthirds.asp
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Would like to see what other lenses Cosina and Schneider plan to release though. And it looks like Schneider does not have an exclusive deal with Samsung.
 
Not "ridiculously huge" or "useless" to a lot of people. Users of this lens seem to be very fond of it.
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sWoke said:
Nex system should not target this market. We do not care about super zoom. They already released a useless and ridiculously huge 18-200 and again we should expect another tele ? Must be a joke ..
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camera2 said:
bryman31 said:
why would they release a 55-200mm lens this year for $400.00ish when there is an 18-200mm now for $800.00 dont get me wrong the lower price is awesome but why so much lower?
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I think telephoto zooms usually cost less than superzooms to make.

Where did you hear it was $400 though?
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That would be from me, and it's, quote, "targeted at under $400". Roughly translated, the 'tronics in the E-mount lenses are sophisticated and expensive, and the lens will probably come in around the $300-$350 range. Remember, the 18-55mm retails at $300 itself.
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M Irwin said:
I can't believe those nutjobs at Sony don't put zoom into their prime lenses.
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Anything with a little greek A is cool by me.
 
bryman31 said:
why would they release a 55-200mm lens this year for $400.00ish when there is an 18-200mm now for $800.00 dont get me wrong the lower price is awesome but why so much lower?
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It's probably lower than $400, and like someone else said, superzooms are difficult to manufacture and have to contain much, much more precision than a smaller zoom does.
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M Irwin said:
I can't believe those nutjobs at Sony don't put zoom into their prime lenses.
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Anything with a little greek A is cool by me.
 
Just Having Fun said:
When did they announce focal lengths and f-stops? I thought all we had were fake mock-ups and those general descriptions?
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Actually, I had heard this straight from the Sony peeps at CES, but apparently they leaked out that info quite a lot, as sonyalpharumors.com got a hold of it and designated it SR3, meaning highly likely.
Just Having Fun said:
Is there a link?
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Why yes, yes there is. http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-the-awesome-sony-nex-roadmap/
Just Having Fun said:
Also, what happened to Sony trying to get others to make NEX lenses? NEX is still stuck at 3 lenses which is one less than members of m43 making lenses. (olympus, panasonic, cosina, and schneider kreuznach).
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Both Sigma and Tamron are on their way into making a NEX lineup, Sigma is saying "it will be very similar to our Alpha lineup", and Tamron declined to comment, other than that "we're working on something good". Hopefully this means the gorgeous Tamron 200-500mm gets a NEX native version. Both quotes are from reps at CES.
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M Irwin said:
I can't believe those nutjobs at Sony don't put zoom into their prime lenses.
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Anything with a little greek A is cool by me.
 
Just Having Fun said:
PhillipA said:
... there are several zooms that give either 14mm equivalent (Panasonic 7-14) or 18mm equivalent (Olympus M4/3 9-18 or 4/3 9-18 with adapter).
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The Panasonic 7-14 is one of the best lenses you can get. I have read posts by lots of users who talk about how amazing it.

Read the pro reviews too
Just Having Fun said:
Just Having Fun said:
The 7-14mm ƒ 4 produced very sharp images. At the wider end of its focal length, images are sharp even when used at the lens' widest aperture; between 7-12mm at ƒ 4
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Just Having Fun said:
Just Having Fun said:
Conclusion

The Panasonic 7-14mm tested very well, offering images that were very sharp all the way to ƒ 11, and provided extremely impressive distortion correction with minimal light falloff.
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A camera is only as good as it's lens, and you don't get much better than this one.
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Sploosh. If it weren't for the vignetting.......sigh.....
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M Irwin said:
I can't believe those nutjobs at Sony don't put zoom into their prime lenses.
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Anything with a little greek A is cool by me.
 
pjskeleton said:
Just Having Fun said:
When did they announce focal lengths and f-stops? I thought all we had were fake mock-ups and those general descriptions?
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Actually, I had heard this straight from the Sony peeps at CES, but apparently they leaked out that info quite a lot, as sonyalpharumors.com got a hold of it and designated it SR3, meaning highly likely.
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LOL!

SR3=50% chance it is correct according to that site. The reality is SR3 means more like 10%. Ask any Sony Alpha owner about how often that site is wrong!
pjskeleton said:
Both Sigma and Tamron are on their way into making a NEX lineup, Sigma is saying "it will be very similar to our Alpha lineup", and Tamron declined to comment, other than that "we're working on something good". Hopefully this means the gorgeous Tamron 200-500mm gets a NEX native version. Both quotes are from reps at CES.
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Highly unlikely. Tamron and Sigma do not make any lenses that work well with CDAF at this time. It will be a while before they do. Also, I read that IF they do, to make it more profitable, they will be for both NEX and Micro Four Thirds mounts.
Also, those lenses will be large.

Oh, and if you want a Tamron 200-500mm (which won't work with CDAF), why not just get an A55 like me. The body and the lens will be about the same size (because most of it is the lens) and you will have and EVF, better sensor, better controls, faster focusing, etc.
 
Lng0004 said:
As a newcomer to photographer (that means no existing lens collection), I refuse spend big money on anything until I see confirmations from Sony regarding their E-Mount lenses :) Hopefully it'll be soon.
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People here were claiming an EVF for the NEX was coming all summer and fall long. I feel sorry for the people who bought a camera because people on a forum made completly false claim.
 
Lng0004 said:
As a newcomer to photographer (that means no existing lens collection), I refuse spend big money on anything until I see confirmations from Sony regarding their E-Mount lenses :) Hopefully it'll be soon.
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I'm not a newcomer by any stretch, but until Sony provides firm release dates for certain lenses, like the tele zoom, I'm not buying in to NEX. I like the concept, the camera, and the sensor, but right now there aren't enough lenses to support what I'd like to do with it.

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pjskeleton said:
dmanthree said:
I've seen the announcements and read the rumors, but is there any hint as to when sony will deliver the telephoto zoom? It's the 45-200 (about) model.
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Well if you're waiting for a 45-200 you'll be waiting forever! The tele lens is a 55-200 and it will be coming out this year. The release is some time this summer. The lenses this year will be:
  • Zeiss wide prime; 24mm and f/2 or larger.
  • Tele zoom, 55-200mm and f/4-5.6
  • Macro lens, 30mm and f/3.5
  • Portrait lens, 50mm and f/2 or larger
The 2011 lenses have confirmed specs (to me anyway) since I managed to pry them out of a rep at CES. So a nice set of lenses are coming his year, hopefully the tele will be $400 or less. Next year's lens lineup:
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I will be first in line for the zeiss 24mm (apparently f1.7), perfect walk about/reportage lens.
I am happy with the ea1 and 50mm f1.8 alpha

I would also buy a cz 10mm or 12mm if that ever comes out.

much prefer proper electrical connection.

might get a leica summarit if I also decide to go for a leica m8. this is why so many leica owners have nex. they are also used to manual focus :)

a lot of talk about the m4/3s system. it has been around a few years linger then the nex but only now voigtlander and some others are making native lenses. I assume they will make lenses for the nex at some point.

doesn't matter to me how good the lenses get for the m4/3s, the sensors are too compromised IMHO
 
harold1968 said:
pjskeleton said:
dmanthree said:
I've seen the announcements and read the rumors, but is there any hint as to when sony will deliver the telephoto zoom? It's the 45-200 (about) model.
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Well if you're waiting for a 45-200 you'll be waiting forever! The tele lens is a 55-200 and it will be coming out this year. The release is some time this summer. The lenses this year will be:
  • Zeiss wide prime; 24mm and f/2 or larger.
  • Tele zoom, 55-200mm and f/4-5.6
  • Macro lens, 30mm and f/3.5
  • Portrait lens, 50mm and f/2 or larger
The 2011 lenses have confirmed specs (to me anyway) since I managed to pry them out of a rep at CES. So a nice set of lenses are coming his year, hopefully the tele will be $400 or less. Next year's lens lineup:
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I will be first in line for the zeiss 24mm (apparently f1.7), perfect walk about/reportage lens.
I am happy with the ea1 and 50mm f1.8 alpha

I would also buy a cz 10mm or 12mm if that ever comes out.
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I too would love a cz 10 or 12mm. Too bad it's not on the official lens roadmap.
harold1968 said:
much prefer proper electrical connection.

might get a leica summarit if I also decide to go for a leica m8. this is why so many leica owners have nex. they are also used to manual focus :)

a lot of talk about the m4/3s system. it has been around a few years linger then the nex but only now voigtlander and some others are making native lenses. I assume they will make lenses for the nex at some point.

doesn't matter to me how good the lenses get for the m4/3s, the sensors are too compromised IMHO
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They seem okay in good light, but most any interchangeable lens camera is okay in good light these days.

The thing about the m43rds sensor is not only is it the same old sensor that is in most models (including new cameras like the EPL2), but it seems that Panasonic isn't able to keep up with Sony or Canon in terms of sensor development. It seems like they have made some advances in processing with the GH2, but I think you that can only take you so far.

Canon sells a lot more cameras, and Sony has the advantage of selling it's sensors to Nikon and Pentax to bankroll development costs. To be fair Samsung's sensor is also lackluster. It will be interesting to see if they manage to catch up in the sensor race as well.
 
harold1968 said:
a lot of talk about the m4/3s system. it has been around a few years linger then the nex but only now voigtlander and some others are making native lenses. I assume they will make lenses for the nex at some point.
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Yes, many assumed there would be an EVF for NEX 3/5 too. CV and Schneider-Kreuznach are now members of m43 which means they have an interest in it succeeding. Also, the m43 lenses they are designing won't work on a NEX mount because they are too small. I doubt they want to spend more money re-designing lenses to be larger. If they do, they will be Alpha, Canon or Nikon mounts.
harold1968 said:
doesn't matter to me how good the lenses get for the m4/3s, the sensors are too compromised IMHO
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Many say the NEX is too compromised by its lenses. I have seen too many great pictures taken with E-1s and E-3s which have very old 4/3 sensors to fall for the bad sensor myth. Olympus always seemed to make up the ground with great lenses.

Anyway I have an A55 and can tell you that the sensor is only a small part of a good picture. Lenses are more important.
 
Yes, if you want a guaranteed real, full line of lenses with fast, silent autofocus and light weight and small size for the Nex, that jump automagically into magnfied view when you touch the focusing ring, it is not the time to buy one yet.

However if you have a bunch of pictures to take that are covered by a compact 24mm wide angle (16mm actually=24mm in 35mm film-speak), you might consider buying a Nex now anyway with just the 16mm. And if you have a good amount of non-fast-moving portraiture to do that could be prosecuted with a (35mm-equivalent) 75mm short telephoto, it is fun to buy a $25 adapter for the Nex and get some kind of $50 super sharp 50mm F1.8 or so (non-Canon-EF) SLR lens for it.

But as you imply it is not good to buy a Nex if you need a 100% guarantee that the full line of E-mount lenses exist. They may never come. Many of us are convinced that there's an 80% chance of a good line of lenses by the end of 2012.
 
I dont mind the short list of lenses, i just want Sony to update the NEX firmware to Autofocus A Mount lenses much faster than they already do, and then im sure alot of people will start to buy the adapter and be happy all round.

I have the adapter + 50mm 1.8 and AF is just too slow, 4-8secs and hunts all the time
 
Just Having Fun said:
LOL!

SR3=50% chance it is correct according to that site. The reality is SR3 means more like 10%. Ask any Sony Alpha owner about how often that site is wrong!
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And ask any reporter how often detailed information given out directly from CES booth reps is inaccurate. RTFP. I clearly stated that a CES rep told me. I put the sonyalpharumors link just for a hard copy of the specs, because someone asked for a link . Also, ask any statistician what 50% likelihood means. That's pretty dang good odds.
Just Having Fun said:
Highly unlikely. Tamron and Sigma do not make any lenses that work well with CDAF at this time. It will be a while before they do.
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And only a total rank amateur ever has or ever will need any autofocus at all, especially on long lenses. AF doesn't matter beans to me. Plus, yeah it'll be a while for the NEX native lenses. Sony's will be a while too. That's life. Suck it up.
Just Having Fun said:
Also, I read that IF they do, to make it more profitable, they will be for both NEX and Micro Four Thirds mounts.
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No, they won't, because m4/3 is a smaller sensor. Twit. It would require entirely different glass for each mount.
Just Having Fun said:
Also, those lenses will be large.
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Whoop-dee-fricking-doo. Another obviously amateur remark. Lenses are big. That's life.
Just Having Fun said:
Oh, and if you want a Tamron 200-500mm (which won't work with CDAF), why not just get an A55 like me. The body and the lens will be about the same size (because most of it is the lens) and you will have and EVF, better sensor, better controls, faster focusing, etc.
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Because the A55 is a giant beast that takes worse pictures than the NEX. Both of my statements right there are proven by lab tests. Photozone.de and dpreview both have the full reviews that say basically as much. So, now that I've assassinated every asinine and amateur point you attempted to make, here's a great picture I took, just to make you wallow in your own photographic inadequacy.





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M Irwin said:
I can't believe those nutjobs at Sony don't put zoom into their prime lenses.
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Anything with a little greek A is cool by me.
 
both the lens and sensor are important

most cameras and lenses today are so good that it really up to the photographer when the sun is up.

however when the lens and sensor are both good, a good photrographers can tease out some amazing pics.

With the NEX you can get some Leica, Zeiss ot voigtlander goodness and wait around, fingers crossed, for sony this year.

With m4/3s you will never achieve that sensor/lens combination. Its not just the ISO, its the dynamic range.
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harold1968 said:
a lot of talk about the m4/3s system. it has been around a few years linger then the nex but only now voigtlander and some others are making native lenses. I assume they will make lenses for the nex at some point.
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Yes, many assumed there would be an EVF for NEX 3/5 too. CV and Schneider-Kreuznach are now members of m43 which means they have an interest in it succeeding. Also, the m43 lenses they are designing won't work on a NEX mount because they are too small. I doubt they want to spend more money re-designing lenses to be larger. If they do, they will be Alpha, Canon or Nikon mounts.
Just Having Fun said:
doesn't matter to me how good the lenses get for the m4/3s, the sensors are too compromised IMHO
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Many say the NEX is too compromised by its lenses. I have seen too many great pictures taken with E-1s and E-3s which have very old 4/3 sensors to fall for the bad sensor myth. Olympus always seemed to make up the ground with great lenses.

Anyway I have an A55 and can tell you that the sensor is only a small part of a good picture. Lenses are more important.
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You have a long history of of posting M4/3 bullcrap here. None of these lenses AF, so who cares? It's meaningless.
Just Having Fun said:
headofdestiny said:
There are really only two vendors making m4/3 lenses with full compatibility, so far. The Voigtlander 25/.095 barely counts, since it is a completely manual lens and not much different than adapting any other manual lens on NEX.
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Yes, the The Voigtlander 25/.095 is compatible. You do not need any adapter and it works on all bodies.

So first there was Panasonic, Olympus and Lecia (via Panasonic).
Then...
Carl Zeiss to issue cine primes for Micro Four Thirds
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10090810zeisscine.asp

Cosina joins Micro Four Thirds system
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10082619cosinamicrofourthirds.asp

Schneider-Kreuznach joins Micro Four Thirds
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11020405schneiderkreuznachmicrofourthirds.asp

I am not sure why, but many top lens makers keep joining.
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harold1968 said:
both the lens and sensor are important

most cameras and lenses today are so good that it really up to the photographer when the sun is up.
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harold1968 said:
With the NEX you can get some Leica, Zeiss ot voigtlander goodness and wait around, fingers crossed, for sony this year.
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Zeiss, CV, and others are all members of m43 now.

There is already a native Lecia lens (45mm macro) and a Voigtländer lens (25mm F/.95). Soon there will be Zeiss lenses too as well as Schneider-Kreuznach. Add Olympus and Panasonic, and that line up is amazing.

That makes 6 companies making m43 lenses..which it twice the total number of all NEX lenses.
 
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