I finally bought the 7Hi!

You got you an awfull camera. I did ever pay more than the equivalent of 1500$$ for the D7 and no regrets. Only the lens is already worth it.
However: I did find a lot around 1250 Euros and even one at 999 Euros.
Apparently another part of Europe.:-)
Hans
Amando Hernández wrote:
I expect it to be at home soon.

For readers that live in Europe, the best price I've found was in
Nomatica (1415 €)

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Imagenlibre
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I considered three cameras: the Nikon 5000 and the 7i/7Hi. Why these? Because I like landscape, group and building photography, so a good W/A lens is mandatory (I don't like lens adapters). Minolta won because its external flash approach. I plan to buy the powerful 5600 in the future

I discarded the Nikon for its shortcomings in handling Nikon external flashes (no automatic zoom, no TTL metering, no use of AF assist lamp) and its poor low light focusing performance.

I commited to the 7Hi insted of the Ti for several reasons. Speed and depth of its brust mode, black finish, PC synch terminal (I have and cheap, powerul double flash (Guide number 32/20) and colour space management, basically because I have a web page devoted to digital photography, so I like to learn about colour space management as well (I plan to buy Windows Picture Pro as a colur space aware app.)

Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
I was just curious ... what were the deciding factors for your
choice (of the 7Hi)? Also, did you consider the 7i?
I expect it to be at home soon.

For readers that live in Europe, the best price I've found was in
Nomatica (1415 €)

--
Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
 
I just bought mine for 1200$ in Swiss
Amando Hernández wrote:
I expect it to be at home soon.

For readers that live in Europe, the best price I've found was in
Nomatica (1415 €)

--
Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
Amando: Congratulations!

Hans: Could you please share your findings? Where? I'm looking to
buy D7Hi. 10x.

Plamen
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This is the 999 ner http://www.marxenschuuring.nl/
Look under Produkt info, click then on the camera, see the pricelist.

The former page seems me not the right one but for D7x en general
However you will find your way easy on tweakersnet.nl
Hans
The 999 was found on the actual site of one of those vendors,
forgot which one, but 1080 is already not too bad.
Hans
Hans: Could you please share your findings? Where? I'm looking to
buy D7Hi. 10x.

Plamen
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Thanks for your reply!

I had the same thoughts as you in regards to the Nikon and Minolta. I want to get either the 7i or the 7Hi. I'm trying to figure out if the extra $300 (US dollars) for the 7Hi is worth it. Interestingly enough, I had come to the same (three) difference/improvements which you listed. In terms of using an external flash, do you know if the 7i can use a third party flash (or non-Minolta flash)? I have looked in this forum for an answer, but I'm still little confused how it would work, if it would work at all?
I discarded the Nikon for its shortcomings in handling Nikon
external flashes (no automatic zoom, no TTL metering, no use of AF
assist lamp) and its poor low light focusing performance.

I commited to the 7Hi insted of the Ti for several reasons. Speed
and depth of its brust mode, black finish, PC synch terminal (I
have and cheap, powerul double flash (Guide number 32/20) and
colour space management, basically because I have a web page
devoted to digital photography, so I like to learn about colour
space management as well (I plan to buy Windows Picture Pro as a
colur space aware app.)

Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
I was just curious ... what were the deciding factors for your
choice (of the 7Hi)? Also, did you consider the 7i?
I expect it to be at home soon.

For readers that live in Europe, the best price I've found was in
Nomatica (1415 €)

--
Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
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Use the PCT 100 flash adapter:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1006187037.html

Also cited in the Dimage 7i's manual (at the very end, where talking about external flash units). Seems to be a self-powered converter from the propietary hot shoe to a standard PC sync terminal. Mounted over the hot shoe, doesn't provide another shoe for external units, just connection for standard studio flash systems. If you have a third party flash, it could be conected with this adapter and a bracket that includes a shoe.

Too cumbersome for me. I prefer the (cleaner) 7Hi solution, that allows the use of the hot shoe for securing the third party flash unit and the PC sync connection for firing it.

Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
 
Thanks for the quick reply!

Also, thank you for your explanation and the link! Your explanation and picture was most helpful and it clarified my question(s).
Use the PCT 100 flash adapter:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1006187037.html

Also cited in the Dimage 7i's manual (at the very end, where
talking about external flash units). Seems to be a self-powered
converter from the propietary hot shoe to a standard PC sync
terminal. Mounted over the hot shoe, doesn't provide another shoe
for external units, just connection for standard studio flash
systems. If you have a third party flash, it could be conected with
this adapter and a bracket that includes a shoe.

Too cumbersome for me. I prefer the (cleaner) 7Hi solution, that
allows the use of the hot shoe for securing the third party flash
unit and the PC sync connection for firing it.

Amando Hernández
Imagenlibre
http://www.imagenlibre.com
 
The former page seems me not the right one but for D7x en general
However you will find your way easy on tweakersnet.nl
Hans
The 999 was found on the actual site of one of those vendors,
forgot which one, but 1080 is already not too bad.
Hans
Hans: Could you please share your findings? Where? I'm looking to
buy D7Hi. 10x.

Plamen
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Thank you all! Most probably I'll rely on a friend of mine in USA to bring that piece of art to me (and live without any warranty as I reside in Bulgaria - too sad). I suppose the warranty is 2 years in Swiss and Netherlans and is good for all the EU?
Plamen
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Hi Plamen

As I understood: The European warranty is worldwide (1 year) but for the the American version you have to send it to Minolta service in the USA.
Hans
Thank you all! Most probably I'll rely on a friend of mine in USA
to bring that piece of art to me (and live without any warranty as
I reside in Bulgaria - too sad). I suppose the warranty is 2 years
in Swiss and Netherlans and is good for all the EU?
Plamen
 
This is the 999 ner http://www.marxenschuuring.nl/
Look under Produkt info, click then on the camera, see the pricelist.
I agree that the tweakers.nl link was not for the HI, but for the plain old 7 - but the marxenschuuring site seems to be genuinely euro 999 for the HI!
However, note the fine print:

" Alle prijzen excl. btw. en alleen bij contante betaling, typefouten voorbehouden !"

My nederlands is pretty poor, but as far as I can tell this means excluding tax, COD only and something about typos notwithstanding.

This is impressive anyway. If tax is between 16-17% that makes it approx 1160 euros, which beats the best I've seen until now, which is at ny-camera.de. They have it for 1369.

I know the German one comes with 2 yrs warranty good in the whole EU. Does that apply to the one bought in the Netherlands too?
How reliable are these Max... people?
 
Yeah....That is for cameras mostly not done: Prices exclusive tax. Overlooked those fine prints. Tax is 19% here, it is called BTW.
You have to pay cash or immediately cashable (Pincard)

Typos excluded. But other prices are proportional, so it is apparently no typo and the price with tax comes close then at other vendors, as I saw on the real DH7i thread on tweakersnet.

Those guys have a shop and that is always good. They can't cheat: Our distances are small and if they would everybody could walk in and "tell them friendly" what they did wrong.

I don't know for sure now if the warranty is one or two years. I got one year for my D7 half a year ago.
Hans.
rhubarb wrote:
This is the 999 ner http://www.marxenschuuring.nl/
Look under Produkt info, click then on the camera, see the pricelist.
I agree that the tweakers.nl link was not for the HI, but for the
plain old 7 - but the marxenschuuring site seems to be genuinely
euro 999 for the HI!
However, note the fine print:
" Alle prijzen excl. btw. en alleen bij contante betaling,
typefouten voorbehouden !"
My nederlands is pretty poor, but as far as I can tell this means
excluding tax, COD only and something about typos notwithstanding.

This is impressive anyway. If tax is between 16-17% that makes it
approx 1160 euros, which beats the best I've seen until now, which
is at ny-camera.de. They have it for 1369.

I know the German one comes with 2 yrs warranty good in the whole
EU. Does that apply to the one bought in the Netherlands too?
How reliable are these Max... people?
 
Hi Plamen
As I understood: The European warranty is worldwide (1 year) but
for the the American version you have to send it to Minolta service
in the USA.
US

I was in the US recently and was seriously torn between buying a 7HI there or waiting and ordering one from Germany (I live in Portugal). The warranty issue was a main decider for me.

I asked about the warranty in the US. It is called an "International Warranty" and talks about a different situation depending on whether the camera was bought in the US, Japan or some other countries.

Sorry I'm being vague but the warranty is vague. Basically it says that it is an international warranty, but if you buy it in country X you will have to have it warranty repaired in country X whereas if you buy it in country Y you can have it warranty repaired anywhere (in countries X, Y and Z). And it lists a bunch of countries including US and Japan, but doensn't make it clear if these are X countries or Y countries.

It's in English and very badly worded. I asked the sales guy who seemed quite savvy. He said it was obvious. Then I told him to read the first paragraph of the warranty card himself. He read it and then he admitted he had no idea what it meant.

Germany
I had read that if you buy it in Germany it has a 2 year warranty.
I phoned (and emailed) ny-camera.de to confirm this.

The guy told me that yes indeed it has a 2 yr international warranty. If I need warranty repairs in the first 2 years I can get it fixed here in Portugal or send it to Germany.

I'm not sure about non-EU countries. The 2yr thing is apparently the law in Germany. Electronic devices must be sold with 2yr warranties. Maybe if I get it fixed in Japan they will only honour the warranty for a year even if I bought it in Germany - who knows.

Netherlands

Apparently this German 2yr warranty is an EU law. (Does anyone know this for a fact?). This would seem to imply that it should apply in the rest of the EU, including the Netherlands. I haven't found out yet. Perhaps it's only German law. Perhaps it's an EU rule which is not yet passed into law except in Germany. (Just because the EU decrees it, doesn't mean the member states obey it - Portugal for example flouts EU law by charging crippling taxes on new cars - but prefers to pay the EU a heavy fine than lose the tax revenue)

I am trying to find out about the Netherlands because of the site that Hans referred me to that currently has the camera almost 200 euros cheaper than the German site. (And I used to live in Amsterdam - so I'm biased)

My analysis then:

If you buy in the US:
1. For certain the warranty is only one year
2. Probably you have to send it to the US for warranty repair.

If you buy in Germany:
1. For certain the warranty is 2 years if you have it repaired in Germany
2. They tell me its 2 years if I have it repaired elsewhere in the EU
3. Not sure if its 2 years if I have it repaired outside the EU

If you buy elsewhere in the EU (like the Netherlands):
1. Not sure if the warranty is 2 yrs or 1 yr
2. Would be grateful for clarification

groetjes
rhubarb
 
Hi Rubarb
Phoned Amsterdam: 1 Year. "Are you sure?" Mwwwah...., yes: 1 Year.

But if you ask me: Give me 3 months and I would be satisfied. If the electronic parts are functioning well during a few weeks , they keep working well. If the mechanical parts are defect you will notice this at once, or sure within a few weeks. And with Monolta's long standing fame as camera maker. I don't worry about structural mechanical imperfections, which could be followed by an unexpected sudden death on the long term.

Another point of reflexion:

A German buyer, who wrote to me, said that he had sent more than 20 fax messages to different vendors in the USA, also to Amsterdam and the Netherlands. They did not ship outside the country and/or had the Minolta D7Hi not in stock.

Small profits and minimum overhead: Sending "overseas" is too much hazle and dazle.

Last point: You can go to any shop and say: I have seen your asking price. I bid .... and if you say yes, the camera is sold, here is my cheque. If no, well goodbye then. It is done frequently here and if you call a reasonable price your chances to get what you asked for are high.

Bye, Hans
If you buy elsewhere in the EU (like the Netherlands):
1. Not sure if the warranty is 2 yrs or 1 yr
2. Would be grateful for clarification

groetjes
rhubarb
 
I wrote to a couple of US sites, antoher two german sites, and asked to my local dealer in IT:
My analysis then:

If you buy in the US:
1. For certain the warranty is only one year
2. Probably you have to send it to the US for warranty repair.
US warranty covers only US area: you have for sure to send back camera in US
If you buy in Germany:
1. For certain the warranty is 2 years if you have it repaired in
Germany
2. They tell me its 2 years if I have it repaired elsewhere in the EU
3. Not sure if its 2 years if I have it repaired outside the EU
EU warranty covers all EU countries: you can buy in DE and ask to local Minolta dealer to assist you if needed
If you buy elsewhere in the EU (like the Netherlands):
1. Not sure if the warranty is 2 yrs or 1 yr
2. Would be grateful for clarification
2 years is an EU regulation, each country is adopting it in its law but it isn't a completed process, so you could find someone with 2 years (here in IT for example) and someone else still 1 year

ciao

------------------------------------
daniele borghi
http://www.casaborghi.it
 
Hi Plamen
As I understood: The European warranty is worldwide (1 year) but
for the the American version you have to send it to Minolta service
in the USA.
US
I was in the US recently and was seriously torn between buying a
7HI there or waiting and ordering one from Germany (I live in
Portugal). The warranty issue was a main decider for me.
I asked about the warranty in the US. It is called an
"International Warranty" and talks about a different situation
depending on whether the camera was bought in the US, Japan or some
other countries.
Sorry I'm being vague but the warranty is vague. Basically it says
that it is an international warranty, but if you buy it in country
X you will have to have it warranty repaired in country X whereas
if you buy it in country Y you can have it warranty repaired
anywhere (in countries X, Y and Z). And it lists a bunch of
countries including US and Japan, but doensn't make it clear if
these are X countries or Y countries.
It's in English and very badly worded. I asked the sales guy who
seemed quite savvy. He said it was obvious. Then I told him to read
the first paragraph of the warranty card himself. He read it and
then he admitted he had no idea what it meant.

Germany
I had read that if you buy it in Germany it has a 2 year warranty.
I phoned (and emailed) ny-camera.de to confirm this.
The guy told me that yes indeed it has a 2 yr international
warranty. If I need warranty repairs in the first 2 years I can get
it fixed here in Portugal or send it to Germany.
I'm not sure about non-EU countries. The 2yr thing is apparently
the law in Germany. Electronic devices must be sold with 2yr
warranties. Maybe if I get it fixed in Japan they will only honour
the warranty for a year even if I bought it in Germany - who knows.

Netherlands
Apparently this German 2yr warranty is an EU law. (Does anyone know
this for a fact?). This would seem to imply that it should apply in
the rest of the EU, including the Netherlands. I haven't found out
yet. Perhaps it's only German law. Perhaps it's an EU rule which is
not yet passed into law except in Germany. (Just because the EU
decrees it, doesn't mean the member states obey it - Portugal for
example flouts EU law by charging crippling taxes on new cars - but
prefers to pay the EU a heavy fine than lose the tax revenue)
I am trying to find out about the Netherlands because of the site
that Hans referred me to that currently has the camera almost 200
euros cheaper than the German site. (And I used to live in
Amsterdam - so I'm biased)

My analysis then:

If you buy in the US:
1. For certain the warranty is only one year
2. Probably you have to send it to the US for warranty repair.
SURE - I asked a friend of mine there to call Minolta USA - affirmative
If you buy in Germany:
1. For certain the warranty is 2 years if you have it repaired in
Germany
2. They tell me its 2 years if I have it repaired elsewhere in the EU
3. Not sure if its 2 years if I have it repaired outside the EU
1. 2. - SURE too - checked
If you buy elsewhere in the EU (like the Netherlands):
1. Not sure if the warranty is 2 yrs or 1 yr
2. Would be grateful for clarification

groetjes
rhubarb
Thanks rhubarb
Plamen
PS Still waiting :-(((((
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