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Nikon D7000
Sensor size 23.1 x 15.4 mm (3.55 cm²)
Pixel density 4.6 MP/cm²
Sensor type CMOS

Sony HX100V
Sensor size (6.18 x 4.55 mm,( 0.28 cm²)
Pixel density 58 MP/cm²
Sensor type BSI-CMOS
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okay having understood that camera manufacturers are able to have large sensors in some form of cameras and not large sensors in some other forms of cameras, so is it that these super zooms like (HX1 and HX100) technically cant have large sensors? is it a technical limitation of some kind that the sensor cant be big in these super zooms? else why these companies not put large sensors.. apologies for my novice technical understanding.. but this is interesting to understand when these companies have all the capabilities and know how of large sensors, then why not super zooms have large sensors.. any marketing need to make NEX and Alpha to survive?... any technical limitation which prevents this wonderful merger of super zooms with large sensors?
 
For me, two very good news. CZ sonnar t* and manual zoom. April is so far...--
Gérard
 
if your are seriously thinking that its share the same D7000's sensor than go see your doctor, no I am just kidding it will not help :) I hope you was kidding too
(Sorry for bad English)
 
kishork said:
okay having understood that camera manufacturers are able to have large sensors in some form of cameras and not large sensors in some other forms of cameras, so is it that these super zooms like (HX1 and HX100) technically cant have large sensors? is it a technical limitation of some kind that the sensor cant be big in these super zooms? else why these companies not put large sensors.. apologies for my novice technical understanding.. but this is interesting to understand when these companies have all the capabilities and know how of large sensors, then why not super zooms have large sensors.. any marketing need to make NEX and Alpha to survive?... any technical limitation which prevents this wonderful merger of super zooms with large sensors?
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Yep...to simplify it without getting into the technical measurements - the tiny sensor allows for use of a tiny lens with a tiny focal range, that becomes an 'equivalent' of a much larger focal range when the tiny sensor's crop factor comes into play. If you look at the front of the lens on a superzoom, you'll see a lens focal range of something like 6mm to 52mm. That translates to an 'equivalent' of 35mm to 432mm on a 35mm film camera, because the tiny sensor will have a 'crop factor' of 6x.

If you placed, say, a DSLR sensor from the Nikon D7000 in there, which is known as an APS-C sensor which itself has a crop factor of only 1.5x, the lens would have to be about 5-6x larger to deliver the same focal range.

Ever see a DSLR lens that reaches out to 600mm? Especially one fairly 'fast' of aperture like F4? It requires its own tripod mount and carrying straps, and you need a wagon or SUV to cart it around. In order to have a zoom lens that can give the equivalent of 24mm to 800+mm like these superzooms do, the lens itself would have to be longer than your actual SUV!

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Justin
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wow this answers my query.. thanks zackiedawg for the good information.. its very well explained..

so now i know till we have 'next technological advancement', we will have to live with a tiny sensor on superzooms.. okay.. works for me as i for sure dont see a DSLR in my world any sooner.. many reasons - cost, + additional cost of lenses etc.. i can look forward to HX100v for the other features it offers...

thanks again for this info.. it is great to understand this..
zackiedawg said:
kishork said:
okay having understood that camera manufacturers are able to have large sensors in some form of cameras and not large sensors in some other forms of cameras, so is it that these super zooms like (HX1 and HX100) technically cant have large sensors? is it a technical limitation of some kind that the sensor cant be big in these super zooms? else why these companies not put large sensors.. apologies for my novice technical understanding.. but this is interesting to understand when these companies have all the capabilities and know how of large sensors, then why not super zooms have large sensors.. any marketing need to make NEX and Alpha to survive?... any technical limitation which prevents this wonderful merger of super zooms with large sensors?
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Yep...to simplify it without getting into the technical measurements - the tiny sensor allows for use of a tiny lens with a tiny focal range, that becomes an 'equivalent' of a much larger focal range when the tiny sensor's crop factor comes into play. If you look at the front of the lens on a superzoom, you'll see a lens focal range of something like 6mm to 52mm. That translates to an 'equivalent' of 35mm to 432mm on a 35mm film camera, because the tiny sensor will have a 'crop factor' of 6x.

If you placed, say, a DSLR sensor from the Nikon D7000 in there, which is known as an APS-C sensor which itself has a crop factor of only 1.5x, the lens would have to be about 5-6x larger to deliver the same focal range.

Ever see a DSLR lens that reaches out to 600mm? Especially one fairly 'fast' of aperture like F4? It requires its own tripod mount and carrying straps, and you need a wagon or SUV to cart it around. In order to have a zoom lens that can give the equivalent of 24mm to 800+mm like these superzooms do, the lens itself would have to be longer than your actual SUV!

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Justin
galleries: http://www.pbase.com/zackiedawg
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Hi-res picture shows this model, unfortunately, is like its HX1 predecessor--no filter thread.

So disappointed. But I still have gotten some nice shots with the HX1, so, while sorely missed, for sure, probably still worth considering.
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Jerry (Gerald L. Stevens)

 
Not sure that the 9V does not have Handheld Twilight. In the spec sheet of the product announcement, the cameras are listed together. The 9V features are listed only when they differ from the 100V. The scene modes is a shared cell, which should imply both cams have these scenes. The Handheld Twilight is listed:

Scene modes
• High Sensitivity
• Soft snap
• Landscape
• Twilight Portrait
• Twilight
• Gourmet
• Beach
• Snow
• Fireworks
• Pet
• Soft Skin
• Handheld Twilight
• Anti Motion Blur
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Jerry (Gerald L. Stevens)

 
Personally, I don't care what technology the HX100 contains. I just hope it takes better pictures than my H5.

I get the impression the camera hasn't external threads for filters and conversion lenses. If true that would be a drawback for me as I like using a closeup lens.

Time will tell.

Dave
 
Correct, no threads. I already had posted this up above to Vlaterj:
DavePlugh said:
Hi-res picture shows this model, unfortunately, is like its HX1 predecessor--no filter thread.

So disappointed. But I still have gotten some nice shots with the HX1, so, while sorely missed, for sure, probably still worth considering.
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Jerry (Gerald L. Stevens)

 
To clarify the mounting thread issue of the HX1, although it has no threads for filters on the end of its extending lens, it does have 57mm mounting threads for the DH1757 telextender inside its outer lens housing.

Whether the HX100V has similar threads inside its outer lens housing is not clear. Probably the more powerful extending lens would reach out too far for the DH1757 to be used. They may have left off the mounting threads to prevent people from trying to use it on this new model. But if those 57mm threads are there on the HX100V, I could use the adaptor tube I made for the HX1 and extend its length with a series of extra step-rings.

Be sure to read Dave Plugh's message on another thread, about the different specs for the HX100V on the Sony website for England. There is a 16:9 photo mode with full horizontal resolution at 4,608 X 2,592. This would use almost 12 Megapixels. There's also very different video modes than what were specified on the Sony news release for the U.S.
Jerry Stevens said:
Jerry Stevens said:
Hi-res picture shows this model, unfortunately, is like its HX1 predecessor--no filter thread.

So disappointed. But I still have gotten some nice shots with the HX1, so, while sorely missed, for sure, probably still worth considering.
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Jerry (Gerald L. Stevens)

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Steve McDonald
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http://www.vimeo.com/user458315/videos



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There seems to be a discrepancy between the DPreview data for H100V and the Sony UK data regarding the battery. DPreview has the same battery as the HX1 (NP-FH50) whereas the Sony site has NP-BN1.

Sony do not mention a HDMI adapter either.

With USB charging does that mean that the battery has to be in the camera to be charged? No separate charger?

Small points but potentially more expense.

Eric
 
bruckshaw1 said:
There seems to be a discrepancy between the DPreview data for H100V and the Sony UK data regarding the battery. DPreview has the same battery as the HX1 (NP-FH50) whereas the Sony site has NP-BN1.

Sony do not mention a HDMI adapter either.

With USB charging does that mean that the battery has to be in the camera to be charged? No separate charger?

Small points but potentially more expense.
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and more time to load to full capicity i think.

according Sony's website no charger included.

Supplied Accessories

Rechargeable Battery Pack(NP-BN1), USB charger(AC-UB10/10B), USB cable Power cord, Neck strap, Lens cap, Lens cap strap, CD-ROM

so it looks you have to buy a seperate charger.

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Thanks, Stephen, good clarification. I definitely was thinking filters only. May be moot point though, as you noted, due to extra reach of the lens making the adaptor not work anyway out to full zoom. That would depend on how much extra reach you could get up to the limit of the adaptor's usability.
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Jerry (Gerald L. Stevens)

 
A 1/1.8" sensor, with a shorter but faster lens (perhaps F1.8 / 400mm at full "zoom) might have delivered better long zoom results. "

There is no way they are going to put a fast lens with F1.8 @ 400mm in a $450 camera. I could get over 400mm @F1.4 in 1080p24 or 720p60 with my Panasonic GH2 and 85mm F1.4 in Extra-Tele Video Mode .

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_11_mode_revealed.shtml

http://vimeo.com/17525299



Or 25-130mm F0.95 with my Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95 :

 
My partner, Susan has been using a Canon XH A1s. Seems the GH2 would give her some greater flexibility. With the advantage of stills, which is where her reputation comes from. I have been following the project on luminous landscape with some interest. Of course, getting a hold of one to check it out had presented a problem :-)
Nice work, there, thanks for posting.
Regards,
Kurt
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For some random samples:
http://www.pbase.com/khoss/
http://www.pbase.com/susanshaw
http://www.susanandkurt.blogspot.com
http://www.slshaw.info
 
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