Is this possible?

best photos are simple and unique..make it simple ...i dont think your son idea is cool..too complicated
I'm sure it is, but don't quite know best way to shoot it.

My son needs a photo for his high school yearbook - they choose anything they want, and try to do something clever that says something about them. He had another pic but decided last minute he didn't like it - now he has an idea but we need to shoot it tonight as it's due at midnight for yearbook publisher.

This is his idea:

On our terrace, tonight, he wants a pic of him spinning a tennis racquet on his finger, with a cityscape in the background. He wants to hang the racket by a thread, take a pic of it spinning, then another pic of him with finger out - photoshop together.

This will need to be some combination of flash and time exposure.

Any ideas??? Is this possible?

Thanks in advance...
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Sam K., NYC
 
it is possible..but you can not do it..and yes you really need a parenting advice...

the above poster is right
For more ideas also post this in the "software/retouch" forum I think it is called?
I did! Also posted in 1D/5D - maybe more advanced for this challenging idea...
Sorry, but your kid, assuming a senior, should know better than to wait until the last day to do something for school which includes this. Does he still tell you you need to help him write an essay paper the night before it is due?

Unless you are well skilled at advanced photography and have good post processing skills, make your kid use the photo he was going to use. He will learn from this and not expect parents to bail him out at the last minute or he'll be doing this all his life!
Requested photography advice, not parenting advice.

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Sam K., NYC
 
good for you..and why do we need to hear that in a photography forum..last time i checked Sat was not a photography topic

by the way make sure these schools dont know about this yearbook story because its a red flag
Great story. Good reading. I laughed out loud when I read your comment to Redfox. That was excellent.
I was in a rush so I was forced to be short.

Had I more time, I might have said that he was being extremely presumptuous assuming that I didn't know what I was doing as a parent.

In reality, my son is a straight A student in one of the finest and most difficult high schools in the country. He scored 2300 (out of 2400) on his SATs, and is currently applying to Yale, Brown, Dartmouth and Amherst. he doesn't need any lessons in procrastination - just some help with the photo from his dad, and he got it.

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Sam K., NYC
 
best photos are simple and unique..make it simple ...i dont think your son idea is cool..too complicated
As it turned out, it was unique, complicated, and we pulled it off. It looks very cool.

While I had similar feelings to yours due to time constraint, I'm glad I didn't listen to you, and made the attempt. If you don't try, you'll never know what you can accomplish - a good lesson for a teenager.

(Can't post, unfortunately, until publication)

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Sam K., NYC
 
...you are the parent. Decisions of permission are entirely up to you. I can't imagined what kind of little brat you've raised, allowing him to keep you up until midnight under deadline pressure, pandering to his vanity for the perfect yearbook photo.
I don't know if you are a parent, but if you are, we have different ideas about parenting. I have enough respect for a kid to honor his wishes regarding his photo. And, I was glad to stay up until midnight to help him with his photo.

And, your "brat" comment was insulting. You can go f##k yourself. And, I feel sorry for your kids if you have any.

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Sam K., NYC
 
good for you..and why do we need to hear that in a photography forum..last time i checked Sat was not a photography topic
If you read the thread, the post was in the context of a response about procrastination for the photo. My response was explaining that my kid does not procrastinate.

You have to read a thread to know what the context is.
 
Its called R_E_S_P_E_C_T!

Everyone deserves it, regardless of age.

My take on this is everyone has my respect, it is their birthright
(but may the lord help them if they lose it)

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I started in the 50's - my first picture was taken with a Leica and hooked me for life. I no longer use my Leicas, but I am still taking pictures. Some things never change.
 
Well we knew you could do it Sam. Just takes imagination for making any image imagiinable. Doing motion blur in PS is an answer.

My method would be...another way......

Floodlights, or even low watt tungsten, to isolate subjects giving stark subjects aginst background black night. Image spinniing racquet under floodlight slow shutter spinning. Next image son "balance" racquet touching "still" hanging racquet. In PS cut spinning racquet from first image, in second image cut son no racquet, combine in PS.

Flash is good to use but low slow light helps set up the posing and modelling light.

cheers Dave S ;)

PS make sure we see the image when it's available Sam.
PPS As for the parenting advice. Well, really, do people have no shame!
 
Well we knew you could do it Sam. Just takes imagination for making any image imagiinable. Doing motion blur in PS is an answer.

My method would be...another way......

Floodlights, or even low watt tungsten, to isolate subjects giving stark subjects aginst background black night. Image spinniing racquet under floodlight slow shutter spinning. Next image son "balance" racquet touching "still" hanging racquet. In PS cut spinning racquet from first image, in second image cut son no racquet, combine in PS.

Flash is good to use but low slow light helps set up the posing and modelling light.

cheers Dave S ;)

PS make sure we see the image when it's available Sam.
PPS As for the parenting advice. Well, really, do people have no shame!
Dave, thanks for ideas, although time constraint and lack of floodlights would have made it difficult - especially during blizzard!

It had to b quick, down and dirty - it was lucky we got the shot at all. We actually tried separate spinning racquet with a small flood, couldn't get it to look good Photoshopping with other pic. Motion blur worked better.

Some people cannot help giving "parenting" advice - they are arrogant and presumptuous, and usually have no clue.

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Sam K., NYC
 
Well said (again)!
...you are the parent. Decisions of permission are entirely up to you. I can't imagined what kind of little brat you've raised, allowing him to keep you up until midnight under deadline pressure, pandering to his vanity for the perfect yearbook photo.
I don't know if you are a parent, but if you are, we have different ideas about parenting. I have enough respect for a kid to honor his wishes regarding his photo. And, I was glad to stay up until midnight to help him with his photo.

And, your "brat" comment was insulting. You can go f##k yourself. And, I feel sorry for your kids if you have any.

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Sam K., NYC
 
Well said (again)!
It's hard to understand how this guy thinks it's fine for me to post a kid's private yearbook photo on the internet, without his permission, before its been published, -- because "I'm the parent". I don't post anyone's photos online without permission, especially a kid's. Does he think kids have no rights?

I hope he is just talking out of his a$$ and is not really a parent.

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Sam K., NYC
 
I was going to suggest something similar to what you finally did, but I saw this post as I scrolled down and then got sucked into the off topic thing (DOH!)

Glad to see you worked it out and got the shot.

This reminded me of a product shoot I had back in the 1900's. Catalog shots that would be offset printed.

Back then art directors insisted on 4"x5" so I was using a view camera. I needed strong oblique lighting to bring out the texture of the product since you lose a lot of detail in the printing process. The problem was the shadows the lighting would throw on the background.

Now bear in mind that we didn't have computers and Photoshop back then and I didn't have enough money in the job to shoot negatives, retouch them and have film positives made for the color separator. The method was to put a Polaroid back on the camera, take a shot to check the lighting (not cheap) and if that looked OK then switch to Ektachrome (not cheap either) and take the shot, develop the Ektachrome, make sure it was OK then set up the next shot. I'm leaving a lot out of this story but trust me this all took a looooooong time.

Some days I could only get four shots and I had forty or so and a deadline. I tried hanging the product in front of the background with fishin' line so I could either get the shadows to fall out of the out of the shot or else burn them out with a background light but the product was too flimsy (would have worked great if it was a tennis racket). After a few hours of cussin' and fussin' I figured it out. The next day I went and bought a full size 4'x8' sheet of Plexiglas, taped the product to it, set it up in front of the background - Presto! No shadows! I swore my assistant and the stylist to secrecy and when the client's art director wanted to know how I managed to have the product floating in the air in front of the background I told him with a laugh that I had my assistant on a ladder drop it and I shot it as it fell. He knew I wasn't about to give up my secret but respected that and actually referred me to some other clients and I got a good bit of work out of the whole episode.
 
"Necessity is the mother of invention."
I was going to suggest something similar to what you finally did, but I saw this post as I scrolled down and then got sucked into the off topic thing (DOH!)

Glad to see you worked it out and got the shot.

This reminded me of a product shoot I had back in the 1900's. Catalog shots that would be offset printed.

Back then art directors insisted on 4"x5" so I was using a view camera. I needed strong oblique lighting to bring out the texture of the product since you lose a lot of detail in the printing process. The problem was the shadows the lighting would throw on the background.

Now bear in mind that we didn't have computers and Photoshop back then and I didn't have enough money in the job to shoot negatives, retouch them and have film positives made for the color separator. The method was to put a Polaroid back on the camera, take a shot to check the lighting (not cheap) and if that looked OK then switch to Ektachrome (not cheap either) and take the shot, develop the Ektachrome, make sure it was OK then set up the next shot. I'm leaving a lot out of this story but trust me this all took a looooooong time.

Some days I could only get four shots and I had forty or so and a deadline. I tried hanging the product in front of the background with fishin' line so I could either get the shadows to fall out of the out of the shot or else burn them out with a background light but the product was too flimsy (would have worked great if it was a tennis racket). After a few hours of cussin' and fussin' I figured it out. The next day I went and bought a full size 4'x8' sheet of Plexiglas, taped the product to it, set it up in front of the background - Presto! No shadows! I swore my assistant and the stylist to secrecy and when the client's art director wanted to know how I managed to have the product floating in the air in front of the background I told him with a laugh that I had my assistant on a ladder drop it and I shot it as it fell. He knew I wasn't about to give up my secret but respected that and actually referred me to some other clients and I got a good bit of work out of the whole episode.
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Sam K., NYC
 
It's examples like this that remind me of the most terrifying fact in the world, namely that anyone can become a parent without a license!
Well said (again)!
It's hard to understand how this guy thinks it's fine for me to post a kid's private yearbook photo on the internet, without his permission, before its been published, -- because "I'm the parent". I don't post anyone's photos online without permission, especially a kid's. Does he think kids have no rights?

I hope he is just talking out of his a$$ and is not really a parent.

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Sam K., NYC
 

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