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...your monitor will have 3 years warranty because when SD1 is out 2 years later, you are still covered

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24 inch, 1920 x 1200 pxls. In case you're curious, I got a Dell U 2410. One of the things I like about it is that it has an Adobe RGB (1998) mode option, and it's factory color-calibrated. Dell claims it's Adobe mode includes 94% of the gamut. I had a 19 inch Samsung SyncMaster 304 at 1024 x (whatever) that I color calibrated with a Spyder 2 Pro. As you can imagine, the color and detail of the new monitor is much better. It was USD $499 + state sales tax with free delivery. I ordered it Wednesday afternoon and got it Friday morning (today) via FedEx. (No, I don't own Dell stock or get a commission. ;))

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfo/peripherals/monitor-dell-u2410/pd.aspx?refid=monitor-dell-u2410&s=dfo

In doing the small amount of research that I did before buying it, I learned that whatever monitor you choose, make sure it's an IPS monitor and not a TN monitor. The advantage is a wider viewing angle and more accurate color. The Samsung I was using is a TN, and it seemed to have a viewing angle of 90 degrees + - 0 degrees. Move your head and the color / contrast changed. Here a Wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD (scroll down)
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... Sigma will deliver, surely.

Congrats on the purchase. Those Dells look sweet. Been drooling over a couple of them myself.

I have, however, a favor to ask of you, if you have the time.

Can you tell me what the height and width of the screen area of your monitor is? The monitors are not in any shops in my area of the UK.

I'm looking at getting a new monitor as well and as I'm still using a trinitron-based Dell 21" CRT bought in '99 I'm curious to know how the screen height of the 24" Dells compare to the screen height of my CRT which comes in at exactly 12".

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I was on the same track this week. I've had 21" Dell Trinitron P1110. It was nearly nine years old and was starting to develop problems. It was getting extremely bright so I started to look for a replacement one week ago. I was interest in TFT technology for some time now and knowing the 3 main types of matrices common these days, I know that I have to chose IPS. To answer your question. 24" monitor with 16:10 aspect ratio will have the same height as 21" CRT monitor (maybe a little bigger), but will be 4" (around 10cm) wider :), so it is pretty big. The main drawback in these big LCD monitors is the back-light. It is for the most part non uniform and will result in bright spots in some areas of the monitor when black background or some other solid colors were displayed. This is pretty annoying. Another thing. Most of these monitors are Wide Gamut, and have problems when simulating sRGB color space, like dithering or stripes instead of smooth gradients. Another problem which is common for these big monitors is with area this big there always can be defective spots. Color tints in some areas, dead pixels and so on. I was looking for this Dell myself. But after seeing two defective samples (one with two dead pixels in one column, and one with dead pixel, color tint, and non uniform areas) I've decided to give up on this model.

So I started looking for NEC models. The ones I have the cash to spare were NEC 2490wuxi2 with eH-IPS (unfortunately the first version is not available in my country) and NEC 2090uxi with S-IPS. When view them both, I chose the 20.1" one. Not that the 2490 wasn't any good, but it has no polarizer, has some bleeding and a little non uniformity. So finally I stop looking for perfect 24", because for the price I was willing to pay, there isn't any. So I picked the monitor with the better matrix S-IPS and the same size (a little bigger), than my old monitor. NEC as a whole maybe has more strict QC and I've yet to see NEC with many problems, even if the matrices are from the same manufacturer as other brands i.e. from LG-Philips.
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Mostly Lurking said:
24 inch, 1920 x 1200 pxls. In case you're curious, I got a Dell U 2410. One of the things I like about it is that it has an Adobe RGB (1998) mode option, and it's factory color-calibrated. Dell claims it's Adobe mode includes 94% of the gamut. I had a 19 inch Samsung SyncMaster 304 at 1024 x (whatever) that I color calibrated with a Spyder 2 Pro .
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If you still have the Spyder2 Pro, it is time to upgrade to the Spyder3 Elite. The Spyder2 puck/software is not optimized for a wide gamut monitor like the Dell U2410.

The Spyder3 puck/v4.x software is optimized for wide gamut monitors. The Elite is the equivalent of your Pro. The Elite's software has everything and more as compared to your Spyder2 Pro - primarily the function to target a specific white luminance values and then have screens that help you adjust to that target. The lower priced Spyder3 Pro lacks this though it does report the white luminance value at the end of the calibration but you have to set the brightness by eye and work through the entire calibration before seeing if the adjustment went the rigth way.

Another benefit of going to the Spyder3 is that a full calibration takes about 3/5'ths the time of the Spyder2.

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In doing the small amount of research that I did before buying it, I learned that whatever monitor you choose, make sure it's an IPS monitor and not a TN monitor. The advantage is a wider viewing angle and more accurate color. The Samsung I was using is a TN, and it seemed to have a viewing angle of 90 degrees + - 0 degrees. Move your head and the color / contrast changed. Here a Wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD (scroll down)
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For people new to LCD's, I've posted some an introductory tutorial keyed to the needs of people image editing:

Part 1 ... http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=36665092

Part 2 ... http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=36665450

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If you still have your TN monitor, you might want to consider using it as a second accessory monitor in your system. With the latest Windows or Mac OS's you can run dual monitors, each uniquely calibrated using an ICC profile generated by the Spyder3. The Spyder3 Elite is optimized for dual monitor systems, with a newer mid to high video card being able to automatically detect and assign the ICC profile to each monitor in the OS color management utility. Some of the higher end editing software will allow you to park the tool bars on the secondary monitor freeing up space on your main viewing monitor.

One point on which the U2410 received a lot of complaints in early versions was the tinting issues - green on left and red on right. This was quite prevalent in the v00, v01, and v02 versions of firmware. v00 also had other issues. V003 has been shipping since December from Dell.

You can use this next web page to check for tinting. It was originally designed to check for the dreaded yellow "pee stain" tinge the Apple iMac 27" screens had on their lower third but works quite well for any LCD panel.

http://tapplox.com/imac-led.html

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nedelcho said:
I was on the same track this week. I've had 21" Dell Trinitron P1110. It was nearly nine years old and was starting to develop problems. It was getting extremely bright so I started to look for a replacement one week ago. I was interest in TFT technology for some time now and knowing the 3 main types of matrices common these days, I know that I have to chose IPS. To answer your question. 24" monitor with 16:10 aspect ratio will have the same height as 21" CRT monitor (maybe a little bigger), but will be 4" (around 10cm) wider :), so it is pretty big. The main drawback in these big LCD monitors is the back-light. It is for the most part non uniform and will result in bright spots in some areas of the monitor when black background or some other solid colors were displayed. This is pretty annoying.
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The ColorComp feature found in the NEC PA series goes a long way to addressing the panel uniformity issue.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/nec_pa241w.htm#uniformity

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nedelcho said:
So I started looking for NEC models. The ones I have the cash to spare were NEC 2490wuxi2 with eH-IPS (unfortunately the first version is not available in my country) and NEC 2090uxi with S-IPS. When view them both, I chose the 20.1" one. Not that the 2490 wasn't any good, but it has no polarizer, has some bleeding and a little non uniformity. So finally I stop looking for perfect 24", because for the price I was willing to pay, there isn't any. So I picked the monitor with the better matrix S-IPS and the same size (a little bigger), than my old monitor. NEC as a whole maybe has more strict QC and I've yet to see NEC with many problems, even if the matrices are from the same manufacturer as other brands i.e. from LG-Philips.
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The 2490WUXi has been replaced by the PA241w.

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NewsyL said:
The ColorComp feature found in the NEC PA series goes a long way to addressing the panel uniformity issue.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/nec_pa241w.htm#uniformity
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Yes. My 2090UXi has the same feature under its menus, but I don't see any effect of it, except that the monitor loses about 20% brightness. With or without it I don't have non uniformity areas in solid colors, only in blacks. But the 2490WUXi2 has a uniformity issues even with white background. And the same option in menus (called uniformity), again don't do anything to improve the situation. Yes there is maybe some improvement, but it is matter of small percentage better and is measurable only with light meter :).
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The 2490WUXi has been replaced by the PA241w.

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But why they have second version of the 2490 if the replacement is PA241w, I don't get it. Why don't they discontinue the whole 2490 model and release the PA241w. It's because the PA241w is not a replacement but is in another class.
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While the Dell factory calibration for the preset modes are pretty good as far as factory preset modes go, the "Custom Color" mode which is the mode that should be used with calibrators like a Spyder, is not particularly well done and is problematic.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2010/review-dell-u2410-part18.html#Conclusion

Keep in mind that over time the RGB settings will drift and the preset modes will become less accurate. Brightness is an important factor that is not addressed by factory calibration and with the W-CCFL back light you may see substantial dimming in the first year.

So you are still going to have to use the Spyder2 at some point and it does not do well with wide gamut monitors. Should be good for keeping on top of the brightness though.

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