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Carol Steele said:
Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
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I think the folk on this forum are just burned out on old information and debates and are waiting for new material to debate. If anything, I've seen an increase in emails asking me when I'm going to review the 14n (or do a book on it), so I don't think interest in the camera has gone down since the price clarifications.

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Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
Just thinking S2 for the short run. I'm still on a 14n list, but am impressed by the Fuji after handling it. Handled the 14n too. Prototype's AF was only on single. No continuous option until the camera streets. So, I really could not run it through many paces.
Best,
Robert
 
Jono Slack said:
Hi Carol
LOL - thanks for saving me the effort of replying.

maybe Tom was making a deep philosophical remark?
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No, he was just emphasising - for those who haven't been paying attention - that very few (Kodak produced) images taken with the 14n have been seen, and those by very few people. It is not surprising that Jay Kelbley should wax lyrical over the few Kodak-produced images so far produced, and he might well be justified, but the fact is that we have not yet seen any sort of in-depth commentary on images from the 14n taken by likely professional users of this camera under real world conditions. And we won't until at least mid-December it seems.

I do wish people would be a bit more realistic about this new camera, and somewhat less excitable & demanding.
 
$5000 !!!!!!! I can get an F100 and enough film to last a lifetime for that price. Digital revolution my ass!!!! No wonder P&S sales of digcams are the bread and butter of these companies. Could get a used car too!!!

Save your $ unless you have $ to burn
Montypyfly said:
Carol Steele said:
Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
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I was hoping it was that people finally quit talking about all the
people talking about the people talking only about not talking
about anything.

There is nothing new to discuss about the 14n until the images are
released. When that finally happens, I assure you, this place will
be abuzz again.

(Bummed at the sudden change in price, but willing to pay $5k for
this camera)
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-Glenn-
Nikon (x3) & Olympus (x2) 35mm film
Hasselblad 120 (x3)
Oly E-10 and smaller digital
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That's funny Carol!

As if forum activity equates to sales for a product that's not forsale!

Why stress over what's on the horizon when there are so many good products (traditional and digital) available today?

Just keep shooting!
Carol Steele said:
Following the pricing annoncements (where it was expected at a
street level of $4000) and the recent debacle about European
pricing (which effectively adds 12% to the US price of $49995) I
have noticed a steady decline in postings to this forum.

Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
--
Carol
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George Richardson said:
As long as you are willing to pay $5,000 plus - Kodak will be
willing to keep taking your money for a camera that at 300 dpi will
not produce a picture bigger than 12x 9 inch. (approx).
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True, And as long as I pay $5000 companies will continue to develop new and useful technology... I see a fine trade off here.

Even if you can get high quality scans for $50 each, the camera will pay for it's self in only 100 jobs needing images of 12x9 or less. (I have even gone this far with interpolating my E-10's 4 MP and have had no complaints)

You seem to need higher resolution.... For you, this camera will not work, for me, it is a perfect tool for over 60% of my business.
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-Glenn-
Nikon (x3) & Olympus (x2) 35mm film
Hasselblad 120 (x3)
Oly E-10 and smaller digital
 
Thom

Have you any indications yet when you are likely to get a 14n for review purposes? (or any other reviewer for that matter). Surely Kodak will want reviews posted before launch in mid December, otherwise they are likely to lose a lot of sales.

I was and still am really keen to get a 14n, but if there are any problems/delays, I may well go down the S2 route and then upgrade to a D2 in a year. The S2 should still get a good resale price in that timeframe.

Like many others just hgoing digital, I can't afford to wait much longer!

John
Mark Palumbo said:
As if forum activity equates to sales for a product that's not
forsale!

Why stress over what's on the horizon when there are so many good
products (traditional and digital) available today?

Just keep shooting!
Carol Steele said:
Following the pricing annoncements (where it was expected at a
street level of $4000) and the recent debacle about European
pricing (which effectively adds 12% to the US price of $49995) I
have noticed a steady decline in postings to this forum.

Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
--
Carol
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George Richardson said:
Glenn

As long as you are willing to pay $5,000 plus - Kodak will be
willing to keep taking your money for a camera that at 300 dpi will
not produce a picture bigger than 12x 9 inch. (approx).

Regards

GR

http://www.pbase.com/digital/tabloidgirls
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The camera doesn't produce the picture at any size, the software does. If you think that an image from a 13.8 megapixel sensor can't be printed beautifully at greater than 12x9 inches and 300dpi, you have absolutely no experience with professional digital or relative software.

Lin
--
http://208.56.82.71
 
My interest in waning. I'm canceling my pre order. I can't see the justification of a thousand dollar increase. Will wait to see what Nikon brings to market.

Matt
Carol Steele said:
Following the pricing annoncements (where it was expected at a
street level of $4000) and the recent debacle about European
pricing (which effectively adds 12% to the US price of $49995) I
have noticed a steady decline in postings to this forum.

Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
--
Carol
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Prior to the announcement of this camera (and the D1s) there were no SLR cameras > 6mp. Now in one fell swoop we have two cameras at double the previous resolution limit. You can still buy a 6mp camera, their prices haven't changed. You don't hear film photogs bitching (much) about the cost of a Sinar or Hasselblad. Why does it seem that every digital photog. thinks that the "Latest and Greatest" has to be available within THEIR budget. Get a life! At any price Kodak will sell all that they can produce. You think they'll be making millions of these things? Think again. Die yield will keep the quantity down. BTW stop whining about the 12% extra Europeans will pay. Try to buy Schneider, Mamiya or Pentax gear in the U.S. - we pay up to 100% over the European cost. Kodak has nothing to do with it. It's the importing, marketing and distribution system.
Carol Steele said:
Following the pricing annoncements (where it was expected at a
street level of $4000) and the recent debacle about European
pricing (which effectively adds 12% to the US price of $49995) I
have noticed a steady decline in postings to this forum.

Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
--
Carol
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---------------------- flatline economic forecast, possible Worldwide depression, high end technologies becoming mainstream, a more demanding public, older technologies becoming obsolete and valueless and the continued six-months obsolescence philosophies which makes cost of ownership and cost of recovery V usage and life expectancy a common purchasing elements and no longer just the preserve of the professional photographer’s accountant – anymore.

Shall I go on?
 
Forum has kept going pretty well considering nobody has seen an image from the camera nor even purchased one.

Can only discuss hypotheticals for so long.

Things will pick up when the beast is released.
 
Wayne DeWitt said:
BTW stop whining about the 12% extra
Europeans will pay.
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Before you get too irritated, read the posts more carefully, Wayne.

It wouldn't have been an issue if Kodak people on this site hadn't promised a world price.

Yes, I'll probably pay the extra, but its not the smartest piece of marketing I've come across this year.

pi
 
It's par for the course. How many "worldwide" warranties have you heard of that weren't? If they made such a statement publicly (I don't read all the press releases) then it was a faux paux. Since they may not have that kind of control over their "foreign" entities it's hard to believe that they would make an official statement to that effect.
peteribbotson said:
Wayne DeWitt said:
BTW stop whining about the 12% extra
Europeans will pay.
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Before you get too irritated, read the posts more carefully, Wayne.

It wouldn't have been an issue if Kodak people on this site hadn't
promised a world price.

Yes, I'll probably pay the extra, but its not the smartest piece of
marketing I've come across this year.

pi
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---------- this morning --- same story, order on hold.

I had not spoken to them prior to this and they did not know my stance on this camera. I find it surprising that so many seem to share the views and suspicions aired in this thread.

I think Kodak had a giant snowball in their hands but it’s melting a bit.
 
Vincent MacNamara said:
Vincent MacNamara said:
move Kodak away from the F5, and engineering doesn't want to have
to support conversions on another body. So everyone gets the N80.
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Where does thiis leave the replacement for the D1 series?
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Hard to say, as it's really a hybrid. But I'd expect an incremental release (more resolution, probably full frame) at PMA. Then, if the rumored F6 and new autofocus system ever appear, I'd expect a high-end digital using that.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
now forget it.

it is way too much money and the new D2 whatever should be around that ball park. 5 thousand for that camera is definitly a steal as far as I see it. It has the N80 metering and autofocus, give me a break

http://www.pbase.com/fusionid
 
Lin,

You beat me to it,

Additionally,the 14n's max resolution is: 4536 x 3024 @ 300 dpi which yields an image size of :

(assume 1 image pixel maps to 1 print dot for simplictity)

4536/300 = 15.12 inches x 3024/300 = 10.08 inches

This means that a 14n image will require a 10 x 15" print in order not to have downsampling occur ...any smaller size will take data away from the image to print it. Of course if the image quality is such that the image is low in noise and high in pixel quality, the maximum print size can be considerably beyond this base or "native" print size. I have prints from 6mp cameras at 20" x 30" that are beautiful. So, Georges print size estimate was wrong (12 x 9) by a good bit at 300dpi res.

Regards,

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Lin Evans said:
George Richardson said:
Glenn

As long as you are willing to pay $5,000 plus - Kodak will be
willing to keep taking your money for a camera that at 300 dpi will
not produce a picture bigger than 12x 9 inch. (approx).

Regards

GR

http://www.pbase.com/digital/tabloidgirls
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The camera doesn't produce the picture at any size, the software
does. If you think that an image from a 13.8 megapixel sensor can't
be printed beautifully at greater than 12x9 inches and 300dpi, you
have absolutely no experience with professional digital or relative
software.

Lin
--
http://208.56.82.71
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Carol Steele said:
Following the pricing annoncements (where it was expected at a
street level of $4000) and the recent debacle about European
pricing (which effectively adds 12% to the US price of $49995) I
have noticed a steady decline in postings to this forum.

Does this mean that people are voting with their feet and moving
off this forum having been bitterly disappointed with all the hype
and decided to wait until Nikon announce what they will be doing
next??
--
Carol
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S2 in the pipeline....

Cannot justify the additional given so many questions and so much on the horizon. The S2 has it's problems and is clearly an 'inferior' spec to the 14n. That said, it is half the price (even less here in the Uk) and will do me until the 'GEN 3@ products come out. For some reason I am still mentaly tagging the 14n with a 2nd generation badge.

I genuinely hope you guys that buy are happy, it's you that give us nervous types the 12 months feedback!
 
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