dpreview camera phones review, anyone?

How important is the quality of the "phone" as a phone?

Seems from these repititious threads, that no one gives a damn if the thing works well as a telephone.
Because it is already a given that it will work as a phone. So now the marketing is that it is a phone plus. A phone plus the best music player; a phone plus the best camera; a phone plus the best OS; a phone plus the best screen...

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slowshotmax
 
...would be a group review, comparing the best camera phones to something like an $89 Panasonic, Samsung or Canon P&S camera.

Of course, we all know the cheapest P&S cameras would win, but it might be interesting to see how close the best camera phones could come.
In terms of functionality and responsiveness, the best of the camera phones can't keep up with the worst P&S but in terms of IQ...well you can now start comparing them with N8 which has a bigger sensor than the average P&S
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slowshotmax
 
I not only agree that camera phone reviews would be welcomed but also suggest a Camera phone forum. I would suspect that there are more pictures taken daily by camera phones than all other types of cameras combined. This has opened a whole new category of photographers some of whom will make it up the ladder to more serious cameras and photography.This site could be a great resource for them and eventually enrich it for us all.
I bow and second the motion
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slowshotmax
 
Cell phones are telephones, I won 3 currently but they are not cameras.

If you owned the worlds fastest Jackass you still cannot run it in the Kentucky Derby.

There is no place for reviews of TELEPHONES here, go to the phone reviews if you are curious.
Some seem to be missing the point: Nobody was suggesting that dpreview should feature actual phone reviews as phones . But wondering 'Which phone currently takes the best pictures?' and 'How do these compare to those of a cheap compact camera?' are perfectly legitimate questions of many people (especially photographers).

I don't need a review to tell me that my dSLR takes better pictures than my phone (i.e., there is no 'race'). But as virtually every phone satisfies my phone-related needs (making and receiving calls) but not my image-related needs (taking snapshots that I can display and forward electronically, not print posters of) I'd like to know more about their imaging capabilities.

Likewise, I'm not considering replacing my camera by a phone. But as I always carry a phone, but not a camera, the quality of its pictures for me is a major purchasing criterion. And phone reviews typically just scratch the surface of this issue (e.g., by reporting megapixel counts).

Of course you're right that there are other forms and devices of 'digital photography' that dpreview currently doesn't cover. But given the ubiquity of cellphones I'd bet that a group review of their photographic features would attract a lot more attention than a review of yet another camera by (insert your least favorite brand here).

But I tend to agree that a dedicated forum could be enough. This way, those who care could discuss the issue, and those who don't could (hopefully) ignore the forum.
I agree with all the points you have raised. I could not have said it better.
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slowshotmax
 
Has New York dug out from the garbage pile-up?
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Shoot lots of pictures, always fill the frame
Wind blown drifts of garbage have won the struggle. The garbage plows are stuck in the street, and the stuff has blown up onto the tracks of the MTA. Garbage piles continue to grow and fall. No one can leave his building, because it's waaaaaaaaay to(o) deep.

(Well, maybe it ain't that bad)

Dave
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slowshotmax
 
This actually might make a good topic for a poll....

Should Dpreview:
1. Create a forum for camera phones?
2. Provide news about camera phones?
3. List specifications for camera phones?
4. Start reviewing camera phones?
5. Do absolutely nothing?
agree! agree!
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slowshotmax
 
How important is the quality of the "phone" as a phone?

Seems from these repititious threads, that no one gives a damn if the thing works well as a telephone.
Because it is already a given that it will work as a phone. So now the marketing is that it is a phone plus. A phone plus the best music player; a phone plus the best camera; a phone plus the best OS; a phone plus the best screen...

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slowshotmax
Why review anything? Since it's a "given" that an automoble works as an automoble, why bother with reviews? And the same for any other product. Are you saying that if you've seen one cell phone, you've seen them all?

Heck, there are cars that come with cameras built in. Why not review automoble phones, and THEN buy a car based on it's image quality? :D

Obviously I can only speak for myself, but there is a heck of a lot more to choosing a cell phone than it's IQ. When I need a phone, I don't want a self portrait of someone looking desperate... :(

Dave
 
In terms of functionality and responsiveness, the best of the camera phones can't keep up with the worst P&S but in terms of IQ...well you can now start comparing them with N8 which has a bigger sensor than the average P&S
The IQ of my six or seven year old, $129 camera will dust the N8. Nor do I want to see samples off the net. Post a "user" taken shot and compare it to this one...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=37405848

Dave
 
In terms of functionality and responsiveness, the best of the camera phones can't keep up with the worst P&S but in terms of IQ...well you can now start comparing them with N8 which has a bigger sensor than the average P&S
The IQ of my six or seven year old, $129 camera will dust the N8. Nor do I want to see samples off the net. Post a "user" taken shot and compare it to this one...
I dunno about your 7 year old cam. But here's the N8 knocking down the sony dsc hx5v

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_vs_samsung_pixon12_vs_sony_dsc_hx5v-review-519.php

photography is not just for pros making money, it's for everyone who loves images and the more of us the merrier...don't be such a kill joy...join the fun...

I have two rebels and the 7D and a handfull of primes and am looking around for an affordable used FF but I am also enjoying my Nokia E5 phone cam which doesn't even come close to the N8.

Smile
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slowshotmax
 
In terms of functionality and responsiveness, the best of the camera phones can't keep up with the worst P&S but in terms of IQ...well you can now start comparing them with N8 which has a bigger sensor than the average P&S
The IQ of my six or seven year old, $129 camera will dust the N8. Nor do I want to see samples off the net. Post a "user" taken shot and compare it to this one...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=37405848
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slowshotmax
 
The IQ of my six or seven year old, $129 camera will dust the N8. Nor do I want to see samples off the net. Post a "user" taken shot and compare it to this one...
I dunno about your 7 year old cam. But here's the N8 knocking down the sony dsc hx5v

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_vs_samsung_pixon12_vs_sony_dsc_hx5v-review-519.php
And I can link you to "comparisons" where the N8 dusts SLR's.

But when I ask people to post Their pictures, all I see is garbage.

I've posted, over the years, hundreds of images from my Canon A540. And I am prepared to compare them to the output of Cell phones.

More over, cheap as my Canon is it takes decent and useable images under any and all conditions.

Here's one shot at 1/8 of a second in a dark basement boiler room.



I'm tired of these net 'comparison" where some shill on u-Tube posts a "perfect" image and then a fan can't wait to show it to me. On all of these threads I've yet to see a good image from a cell phone which was posted by the user whose arguing with me.

I don't mean to be offensive, but all of those talking about cell phones on these threads simply can't come up with one of their own.

In other words if a cell phone can beat a seven year old P&S then what is the justification for reviewing them?

Dave
 
In terms of functionality and responsiveness, the best of the camera phones can't keep up with the worst P&S but in terms of IQ...well you can now start comparing them with N8 which has a bigger sensor than the average P&S
The IQ of my six or seven year old, $129 camera will dust the N8. Nor do I want to see samples off the net. Post a "user" taken shot and compare it to this one...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=37405848
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5346654706_9aee59715b.jpg
[/url] [/URL]

gsmarena_007a'] ] [/URL] by sloppyreporter'] http://www.flickr.com/people/16436922@N05/]sloppyreporter[/url] [/URL] , on Flickr
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slowshotmax
They take me to a page in which one of the images, (A pretty bad one) was taken by a Nokia, and the others were taken with an SLR.

Dave
 
Who chooses a cell phone because of the camera?

Anyway, even a comparison test would be outmoded in a few months by new models. Lots of work for short term information that would not make or break any cell phone choice. With the apparently limited resources at dpreview I would say stick to cameras please.
 
Who chooses a cell phone because of the camera?

Anyway, even a comparison test would be outmoded in a few months by new models. Lots of work for short term information that would not make or break any cell phone choice. With the apparently limited resources at dpreview I would say stick to cameras please.
many of those on this thread do, or so they say. And I too find this a strange attitude.

Dave
 
Given that on any given day there is a post somewhere asking 'When is the review for so-and-so camera coming out?', I'd have to say there are currently more than enough cameras to review let alone adding camera phones into the mix.

Mark
 

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