Upgraded from XTi to T2i... I did it.

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So I am not regretting it. I bought an extra battery and a Flashpoint battery grip... seemed to have very good ratings for a knockoff battery grip. Anyone make this upgrade switch and have good or bad experiences that they are willing to share?

Thanks in advance!

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
It has an amazing sensor. You should be able to get some amazing pictures. Happy shooting.
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Darkness is the monster and your shutter is your sword, aperture your shield and iso your armor. Strike fast with your sword and defend well with your shield and hope your armor holds up.
 
amazing sensor =amazing pictures!

The T2i/550D as well as your previous XTi is capable of excellent, or even 'amazing' photographs. Read the manual carefully and study good photography to get the most out of your fine new purchase.

I highly recommend going to an actual real-life gallery of fine-art photography, and see what makes a quality photo; it's much beyond the 'sensor'!

enjoy your new T2i
 
Thank you so much. Yeah, I did some due diligence for my research and believe this is an excellent camera. I am looking forward to receiving it tomorrow morning. Of course, I will be putting my XTi (great camera indeed!) up for sale on eBay, along with the extra Compact Flash memory cards, batteries, etc. :-)

I have made these larger leaps as I would describe it. Going for the original Digital Rebel to the XT to the XTi and now the T2i. I had a 30D in there that I had to sell due to the birth of my twins and costs associated with twins! That's back when I had L series Canon lenses. Good times. :-)

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
I gave my XTi to my oldest son. I bought the T2i, aftermarket battery grip, 50mm 1.8 (metal mount), 70-200 f/4 L and a Sigma Flash. I also have a Sigma 24-70 2.8.

Love the T2i by comparison.

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Bill
Keep on keepin' on!
 
Okay, took a few, only a few for now, images and this thing is amazing at ISO 3200 and not horrible by comparison to my XTi at 6400. Wow. I am using my Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 and it is sweet.

Now, as soon as my taxes come in for this year, I plan on getting either the 70-200mm f/4L or a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 lens. Any thoughts on these 2?

Also, I bought the Flashpoint battery grip for the T2i, which has a lot of good reviews, and will get that next week. Anyone have this one already? From the a previous post, I could not tell if you had this one or another one.

My point in the 70-200mm at f/4 or f/2.8 is for a wedding. I am thinking with the T2i, I can get away with f/4. Does that make sense?

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
The Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS is an outstanding lens. I read a review somewhere that said something like this:
Once upon a time zoom lenses were regarded as inferior to primes. That was then and this is the Canon 70-200.
Seriously, this is an incredible lens. It is hands down my sharpest lens though I don't own any primes. I have the IS version and I highly recommend it. It's surprisingly light and easy to wield. The f/2.8 MkII version is just as good though quite a bit heavier and offers an extra stop, but I just couldn't justify nor afford the nearly 2x price tag.
 
Just to be clear about my finances, the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 is completely out of my price range, so I cannot consider this. F/4L by Canon and the Sigma are my only 2 contenders right now. The Tamron was but I am not sure. I have the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 and love it. If I knew the sound of the motor on the 17-50mm f/2.8 was the same as the 70-200mm f/2.8 by Tamron, then that might be more inclined to consider it again. Thanks.

I appreciate the thoughts of the f/4L. I have owned it before and loved it. I am specifically asking if it will work well on a T2i in low light settings like a wedding or indoor sports. The newer cameras make certain type of lenses possible, so I wanted to see if this was true for the f/4L. Thank you for your thoughts and shared experiences.

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
My point in the 70-200mm at f/4 or f/2.8 is for a wedding. I am thinking with the T2i, I can get away with f/4. Does that make sense?
No, you'll get horrible results trying to shoot weddings that way. What you will find in shooting weddings is that you more often need wider than longer focal lengths, that speed (faster apertures) is very, very important, and that (especially on a crop camera) most often primes are the way to go, with the possible exception of posed group pictures.

I'd look into lenses like these for wedding work instead:

24L (the mark I is cheaper than the newer II, and can be bought used)

35L (I'd stay away from the 35mm f/2 if possible, but it can be a cheap substitute though not as fast or as good-focusing)
50mm f/1.4
85mm f/1.8

Also, it may well work best for you to rent lenses for your first wedding, if you can't afford to buy good wedding lenses. If so, the cost will be fairly reasonable and you should make the bride and groom fit the bill (I am assuming and hoping you are shooting the wedding for free).

There's simply no way that a 70-200mm unstabilized zoom is going to work well for an indoor wedding on a crop camera. No way.
 
Again, thanks for the recommendations, but, alas, I cannot consider any of your recommendations due to finances (I would have to get several of these). I have had primes and do not like them and they never worked well for me. Unless I were to have 2 or 3 bodies to have them permanently attached to, they are too cumbersome and time consuming to allow for a good shoot.

My budget will be between $600 and $700 with very little fudge for anything. This is why my only choices are Canon 70-200mm f/4L, Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, or the Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8. No IS or VC type lenses for me, as that takes me out of the price park.

On top of this, my experience tells me that I shoot very little at f/2.8. When I do, they are close ups or what I can satisfy with my Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8. I tend to shoot f/4 or f/5.6 or f/8 for portraits with larger groups for correct depth of field.

Again, I see the benefit in certain situations to primes, but I have gone that way and had the best primes money can buy (BK = Before Kids) and did not care for it. I have friends who love and live by primes. I am not such a person. I have considered at one point of getting a 50mm f/1.4 prime again but not now. Again, finances and need best bang for my buck. :-)

From my indoor testing with the T2i in similar lighting, I feel that f/4 to f/5.6 with the T2i and with/without a fill flash will really work. I wanted to get feedback from folks who have tried this, so if you have used them please tell me how they went. Thanks.

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
Again, thanks for the recommendations, but, alas, I cannot consider any of your recommendations due to finances
Again, you can rent them. And you can get the bride and groom to pay for the rental, which is much, much cheaper than paying for a wedding photographer.
I have had primes and do not like them
Nevertheless, they work best for this sort of work, without question. One thing that you may not be thinking of is that it is highly unrecommended to shoot a wedding without a second/backup body. I am assuming you still have your XTi, so you can mount two primes at once; this can be more flexible than using a zoom, due to the extra speed and the fact that a lot of the time one would shoot toward the ends of a zoom anyway.
they are too cumbersome and time consuming to allow for a good shoot
No. Although you may not like them, they are not too cumbersome to "allow for a good shoot". Switching lenses is easy and can be quite quick, although not as easy as zooming.
My budget will be between $600 and $700 with very little fudge for anything. This is why my only choices are Canon 70-200mm f/4L, Sigma 70-200 f/2.8
Those are all non-choices. Period. Your insistence on these lenses means that you are completely unfamiliar with the focal lengths needed most for wedding work, and with the funcitonal requirements of the lenses; they are too slow and will exacerbate the shortcomings of your camera, and in addition the lack of IS will mean you will waste further light on high shutter speeds to avoid camera shake.

You would be much better off using the money to address the other holes in your kit, even if that must be by rental (which, again, the bride and groom should pay for anyway).

I'm not trying to be blunt, but these are hard facts. Repeating over and over that you want to buy an unstabilized 70-200mm zoom won't change things.
On top of this, my experience tells me that I shoot very little at f/2.8. When I do, they are close ups or what I can satisfy with my Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8. I tend to shoot f/4 or f/5.6 or f/8 for portraits with larger groups for correct depth of field.
I think you're not ready to shoot a wedding. Not even close.
From my indoor testing with the T2i in similar lighting, I feel that f/4 to f/5.6 with the T2i and with/without a fill flash will really work.
No, that will give horrible results, especially when compounded by the functional limitations of a non-stabilized 70-200mm zoom. Your plan is wholly unsuited to shooting weddings.
I wanted to get feedback from folks who have tried this
Nobody does this because it just doesn't work. At all. You may be able to capture some exposures, but the results will be awful compared to normal wedding photos.

You need to change your mindset before you can begin to truly get ready to shoot the wedding.
 
I have read your other posts to other folks and I do not care for your arrogant attitude and condescending tone. I completely disagree with you and believe you are the only photographer and no one, including Ansel Adams and Monty Zucker, would ever meet your expectations. I think you will have to tell the currently best wedding photographers that they do not know what they are doing. Sad. I will be sure to refer them to you and make sure they sell their 24-70mm f/2.8 and 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses. I have no idea why anyone would pay them $5000 or $10,000 for a wedding. They obviously have not spoken to you.

I have shot a few weddings and had good results and will again. These folks would be happy to have you donate your time and expertise for free since this is their budget. I think that would not cover the rentals that you insist they need. Sorry but I simply disagree and would prefer if you would read my post and be helpful for my circumstances. Apparently you did not. I am really surprised you have not been suspended from your attitude. One more thing. What are you doing in this forum? Shouldn't you be in with the 5D or Mark III, etc. forums? Isn't that the only hardware a real photographer would use?

Now for anyone with actual helpful and supportive help, would you mind weighing in? I'd appreciate your thoughts.

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
My little brother got married recently and the photographer was using a 5D with a big flash on a flash bracket and with what I'm pretty sure was the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 lens. He may have changed lenses occasionally, but that was the main lens. The pictures were really nice.
 
I have read your other posts to other folks and I do not care for your arrogant attitude and condescending tone.
I'm just telling you the straight facts. You are ill-equipped to shoot a wedding, and going down a worse path with your stubborn notion that adding an unstabilized 70-200mm zoom is the way to go.
I completely disagree with you
Fair enough; you are entitled to your own opinion. In this case it is a completely wrong, uninformed opinion from someone who has little to zero experience shooting correctly under the real-life requirements of a wedding.
and believe you are the only photographer
I don't know where you're going with that one. I never thought I was the only photographer. What a strange thing to write.
and no one, including Ansel Adams and Monty Zucker, would ever meet your expectations
Another quite strange thing to write. Counseling a relative newbie that a slow, unstabilized, long focal length combo is bad for weddings doesn't mean that no photography meets my expectations. Bad photography doesn't meet my expectations.
I think you will have to tell the currently best wedding photographers that they do not know what they are doing
No, since none of them would try to shoot a wedding with a single crop camera and unstabilized longer zooms, while avoiding primes. The suggestion is quite ludicrous, in fact, that the best wedding photographers would agree with you.

Hint: no wedding photographers have given you supportive advice, in agreement with your choices, because wedding photographers don't agree with you or function that way . The sooner you get it through your thick skull that you're heading for disaster, the better.
I have shot a few weddings and had good results
I find this a bit hard to believe, no offense meant.
 
weddings are pretty hard if you want really good pics.

however, perhaps riversen's clientele are less demanding, and/or perhaps riversen is a great photographer who can make the use of his equipment.

either way, i have a feeling someone's in for a rude awakening.
I have read your other posts to other folks and I do not care for your arrogant attitude and condescending tone.
I'm just telling you the straight facts. You are ill-equipped to shoot a wedding, and going down a worse path with your stubborn notion that adding an unstabilized 70-200mm zoom is the way to go.
I completely disagree with you
Fair enough; you are entitled to your own opinion. In this case it is a completely wrong, uninformed opinion from someone who has little to zero experience shooting correctly under the real-life requirements of a wedding.
and believe you are the only photographer
I don't know where you're going with that one. I never thought I was the only photographer. What a strange thing to write.
and no one, including Ansel Adams and Monty Zucker, would ever meet your expectations
Another quite strange thing to write. Counseling a relative newbie that a slow, unstabilized, long focal length combo is bad for weddings doesn't mean that no photography meets my expectations. Bad photography doesn't meet my expectations.
I think you will have to tell the currently best wedding photographers that they do not know what they are doing
No, since none of them would try to shoot a wedding with a single crop camera and unstabilized longer zooms, while avoiding primes. The suggestion is quite ludicrous, in fact, that the best wedding photographers would agree with you.

Hint: no wedding photographers have given you supportive advice, in agreement with your choices, because wedding photographers don't agree with you or function that way . The sooner you get it through your thick skull that you're heading for disaster, the better.
I have shot a few weddings and had good results
I find this a bit hard to believe, no offense meant.
 
That lens on a 5D is as pretty darn close to my Tamron 17-50mm on a T2i (1.6X crop factor). I have seen a lot of professional photographers who do weddings use this or the Canon equivalent. I think it is a good lens and I have used it on an XTi for a free wedding shoot for a couple in my church that had nothing. I was happy with it. I did have my 85mm f/1.8 that I used and am thinking of getting again because I used it a lot for shooting portraits for my church's directory. Thanks for the advice and I will keep that mind as feedback toward my choices.

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
Thanks for the thoughts and for chiming in. I did not read the rants of the other guy, as I suspect it is just more egomaniac rants of narcissist :-) Okay, I am prodding him intentionally and should not. Sorry.

You are right in that my clients do not demand as much. If they did (and I advised them of my skill and equipment), then they would have chosen someone else. Also, had they had the funds, then they would have chosen someone else, too, at my direct advising. I am however happy to help those with nothing and who would be forced to count on Aunt Nell and her Point and Shoot or Uncle Tom and his film camera he has not used in 20 years (who has reason for not having used it in 20 years).

The ironic thing is this. My friend has shot many weddings and portraits. He makes a good side living off of this, as there is demand for photographers who can compose and shoot decent shots for a fraction of the cost. Now I have seen some professionals get angry at folks like this and describe every horrible thing that can and will go wrong because people are just not willing to spend $2500, $5000, or $10,000. If I had it, I would gladly hire Michele Celentano as my second wedding photographer (she is a Canon staff person). Unfortunately, she no longer does weddings but, man, she was good.... AND EXPENSIVE. :-)

Again, I really do not think a real professional would be in this forum but the 5D/1D or 7D/60D forums. Just my guess, as a wedding photographer of that caliber would have equipment to match. It's all about economies of scale. :-)

On a side note, I am not a bad photographer. I am no professional who makes a full-time living at it, but I have been told by more than a few folks that I seem to have an eye. I am not Ansel Adams or Money Zucker, but I strive to be one. ;-)

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Robert (Phoenix, AZ)

I like taking pictures!
 
where do you get off saying nobody would shoot weddings with an unstabilzed 70-200f2.8..

the IS version of this lens was introduce in 2001 befor that the non IS versin in 1995 ..so are you suggesting those that shot a wedding with a non IS 70-200f2.8 and still use it to shoot weddings dont know what they are doing .. If you are, i agree you are arrogant ..

The 70-200f2.8 zoom is an excellant portrait lens , with or without IS
 
where do you get off saying nobody would shoot weddings with an unstabilzed 70-200f2.8..
Get it right. What I actually said was that the OP was taking a terrible approach to wedding photography, in planning to use an unstabilized 70-200mm zoom on a crop camera, while ignoring other glaring problems with his kit.
the IS version of this lens was introduce in 2001 befor that the non IS versin in 1995 ..so are you suggesting those that shot a wedding with a non IS 70-200f2.8 and still use it to shoot weddings dont know what they are doing .. If you are, i agree you are arrogant ..
Whoopsie. I guess I am; arrogant in the same way that:

I suggest that professional racers today don't drive model Ts

I suggest that photographers today use cameras, instead of daguerrotypes like they did in the good ol' days of the Civil War

I suggest that DSLRs are used by wedding photographers instead of point and shoots, even though some uncle Bob somewhere once used his P&S while functionining as a "wedding photographer"

... etc. etc. etc. Off topic much, comeon?
The 70-200f2.8 zoom is an excellant portrait lens , with or without IS
It is not an excellent (with an 'e') wedding lens, unless one plans to use a monopod to make up for the lack of stabilization. In fact it would be a poor choice to use an unstabilized zoom for indoor wedding photography, since it would greatly decrease the functionality of the lens for wedding photography use, and these problems would be compounded on a crop camera. (Note also that the OP is even considering using an unstablized f/4 lens, which is an even worse choice.)

You'd know this is if you had actual helpful information to add.
 
Congratz!
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I took a course in art last winter. I learnt the difference between a fine oil painting, and a mechanical thing, like a photograph. The photograph shows only the reality. The painting shows not only the reality, but the dream behind it.
 

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