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Lloydy said:
... Digital v film ?
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Could well be. The OP has written on his website about the film option, mentioning Fuji Superia 400 film, and the only data on the second picture that comes up is that it was taken with a Fuji SLP800, which is the model of a Fuji minilab processor. He also wrote, "The overall result from film tends to be more even across the whole image, more natural in terms of color and contrast."
 
I was waiting for somebody to say something about Kim Letkerman and I couldn't of said it better myself Conrad. Perhaps this should be his New Year's resolution to be more positive towards people. This is something that should have been resolved a long time ago when it manifested itself in his life. I don't think Kim is a bad guy because he is very knowledgeable but that isn't enough if he wants to be liked by others. It's like he believes he's the only one with any expertise in the field. No offense Kim but you have to admit that being rude isn't accepted by just anyone.

Regards,
James
Conrad Birdie said:
Kim Letkeman said:
Ralph McKenzie said:
I took these photos on the same day within 10 minutes of each other, one with the HS10 and one from and older camera. I cant quite make up my mind as to which is the better photo, so any comments are welcome. Tell me what you think and why. I'm not interested in the subject matter so much as the overall tone and look of the two images.

We have a little bit of a debate going here as to which camera produces the best looking photo.
The chap pictured is my son and his new Lab/German Shepard pup "Majik"
Apologies for the rough look of this photo. I think I did something wrong when
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I am struggling to believe that you are serious comparing these two images.
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Herein lies just one of the reasons you have such problems with people in this forum Kim. The OP asks a very reasonable question, and then you question his sincerity? Why? What purpose does it serve to question his sincerity? Of course he is being serious, that is why he is asking. Perhaps you should just consider removing the above sentence and starting with your answer below. The below is exact and to the point, whereas the above is rude, overbearing, and totally you. Makes absolutely no sense.
Conrad Birdie said:
For whatever reason, the HS10 image looks like it was shot at 1600 ISO instead of 200 ISO. Chroma noise on his arms, smearing is evident everywhere ...

But the second image is far worse, despite being a much more pleasing photograph in composition and tone. The dog's fur, his skin, his hair ... all smeared beyond recognition. Very aggressively so ... as if Neat Image were run full blast. And every edge in the image is compromised ... really awful.
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The above is a very reasonable opinion also, except for the purposeful last two word description of, "really awful". You had already told him the image was "far worse", yet you could not restrain yourself from really letting him have it with the, "really awful" comment.
Conrad Birdie said:
So they both suck ... and not just a little bit. The HS10 produced an image with slightly fewer fatal flaws, if that is any consolation.
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And then the above........... "they both suck". Wow. I hope you raise your kids with more positive feedback than you do the members here.

Perhaps if you can find it in your heart to try to be a little more POSITIVE with people in 2011, you might find that people might respect your knowledge a little more.

That, being my opinion in a sea of opinions.
Conrad Birdie said:
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This is the original as it arrived from the processing lab.

I agree with Kim that the second photo is much more pleasing to look at compositionally as well as color and tone.Its also far more accurate color too. I used Fuji Superia 400.

Both these images were processed by our local Fuji lab.I wanted to test the company's ability to process both digital and as in the second photo 35 mm film. They made an appalling job of both, or rather the operator in charge did. Either way I'm bloody unhappy with the results and will be going back to see what went wrong.

I have another company to check out but they are in another city so it will have to be done via post.
I will let you know how it goes.

This goes to show what one poorly trained or bored operator can do to ruin your photos.

Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Lloydy said:
... Digital v film ?

Second looks like it has the warmth of film, with the skin tones looking slightly unnatural.

It's also certainly a better composition than the dog's behind in the first shot ;)

First could be processed for colour a little better than it is though.
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Cheers!!.Nice spotting Dave. You got it in one. I didn't see this post of yours until after I had just posted my reply. I was testing my Fuji center here . They have some explaining to do.
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Love dat Fuji :P
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jrtrent said:
Lloydy said:
... Digital v film ?
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Could well be. The OP has written on his website about the film option, mentioning Fuji Superia 400 film, and the only data on the second picture that comes up is that it was taken with a Fuji SLP800, which is the model of a Fuji minilab processor. He also wrote, "The overall result from film tends to be more even across the whole image, more natural in terms of color and contrast."
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Very good deductive work, another of our folk with a good eye.

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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Thank you all for contributing. It good to see we all have a critical eye for quality.

Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.

So thank you all for the input, I have more than enough info to slap them with.

For those who were curious, the vote here was unanimous the second picture was far more accurate. In terms of color and contrast.That was produced by my newly acquired SLR Pentax zx-50 using the 200mm lens at full blast. I like accurate color before saturated color and the color in the second photo is very accurate.

One of our members felt that the photos were taken in two different areas.Thats right they were. Same day 10 minutes apart on both sides of our property.

So to you all, thanks again, I will keep you posted as to their reaction.

Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Ralph McKenzie said:
Thank you all for contributing. It good to see we all have a critical eye for quality.

Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.

So thank you all for the input, I have more than enough info to slap them with.

For those who were curious, the vote here was unanimous the second picture was far more accurate. In terms of color and contrast.That was produced by my newly acquired SLR Pentax zx-50 using the 200mm lens at full blast. I like accurate color before saturated color and the color in the second photo is very accurate.

One of our members felt that the photos were taken in two different areas.Thats right they were. Same day 10 minutes apart on both sides of our property.

So to you all, thanks again, I will keep you posted as to their reaction.

Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
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Ralph, thanks for the answer!

I guess that's why the DOF in photo 2 was more pronounced. However, I am tempted to say, (and I'm a big fan of the HS10), the IQ of a small sensor bridge camera will almost always look inferior compared to any SLR.

Andrew
 
Before I start pixel peeping I like the second photo because I think the skin tone and colors looks more natural. It looks to me like these were taken on an overcast day and in general I don't care for they way photos look in that kind of light.

When I start pixel peeping:
  • First Image: As mentioned before there is some weird noise in the black shirt which I wouldn't expect at low ISO in decent light. Maybe this is due to the exposure compensation setting?
  • Second Image: Noise at the high contrast areas (transition between skin and clothes, the subject's nose, etc.). Did you get this digital image directly from the photo lab or did you scan the print? If you got it from the lab I agree with you they should be able to do better than that.
 
Thanks James,

Sometimes the occasional reminder that being polite is just much more enjoyable than constantly being rude to others. We are taught that sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. But we clearly know that the human emotion is indeed hurt by words.

Calling a child ignorant, or stupid leads to a child growing up feeling pretty worthless about himself. Constructive criticism is necessary to help others learn, but when we use words like "suck" and "really awful" to describe another persons work, then that simply is not acceptable human behavior. People are not receptive to being attacked, especially from internet bullies. They will fire back, and that leads to confrontation after confrontation. As witnessed so often here in the Fuji Forum.

Will it get better? Sure it will, either by bans, or by people leaving. I just hope that good people don't fall victim to those whose sole interest in life is being abusive. After all, it is abuse, verbal abuse, and that is against the rules here. Plain and simple.

Thanks for the compliments again James.
james2k50 said:
I was waiting for somebody to say something about Kim Letkerman and I couldn't of said it better myself Conrad. Perhaps this should be his New Year's resolution to be more positive towards people. This is something that should have been resolved a long time ago when it manifested itself in his life. I don't think Kim is a bad guy because he is very knowledgeable but that isn't enough if he wants to be liked by others. It's like he believes he's the only one with any expertise in the field. No offense Kim but you have to admit that being rude isn't accepted by just anyone.

Regards,
James
Conrad Birdie said:
Kim Letkeman said:
Ralph McKenzie said:
I took these photos on the same day within 10 minutes of each other, one with the HS10 and one from and older camera. I cant quite make up my mind as to which is the better photo, so any comments are welcome. Tell me what you think and why. I'm not interested in the subject matter so much as the overall tone and look of the two images.

We have a little bit of a debate going here as to which camera produces the best looking photo.
The chap pictured is my son and his new Lab/German Shepard pup "Majik"
Apologies for the rough look of this photo. I think I did something wrong when
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I am struggling to believe that you are serious comparing these two images.
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Herein lies just one of the reasons you have such problems with people in this forum Kim. The OP asks a very reasonable question, and then you question his sincerity? Why? What purpose does it serve to question his sincerity? Of course he is being serious, that is why he is asking. Perhaps you should just consider removing the above sentence and starting with your answer below. The below is exact and to the point, whereas the above is rude, overbearing, and totally you. Makes absolutely no sense.
james2k50 said:
For whatever reason, the HS10 image looks like it was shot at 1600 ISO instead of 200 ISO. Chroma noise on his arms, smearing is evident everywhere ...

But the second image is far worse, despite being a much more pleasing photograph in composition and tone. The dog's fur, his skin, his hair ... all smeared beyond recognition. Very aggressively so ... as if Neat Image were run full blast. And every edge in the image is compromised ... really awful.
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The above is a very reasonable opinion also, except for the purposeful last two word description of, "really awful". You had already told him the image was "far worse", yet you could not restrain yourself from really letting him have it with the, "really awful" comment.
james2k50 said:
So they both suck ... and not just a little bit. The HS10 produced an image with slightly fewer fatal flaws, if that is any consolation.
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And then the above........... "they both suck". Wow. I hope you raise your kids with more positive feedback than you do the members here.

Perhaps if you can find it in your heart to try to be a little more POSITIVE with people in 2011, you might find that people might respect your knowledge a little more.

That, being my opinion in a sea of opinions.
james2k50 said:
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I am but one opinion in a sea of opinions ... right?
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
http://letkeman.net/Photos
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Conrad
'Aspire to inspire before you expire'.
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Conrad
'Aspire to inspire before you expire'.
 
Ralph, nice to see someone who welcomes ALL criticism, when asking for critiques.
That was very professional (and/or mature) of you.

I too have found that I learn more when I don't shoot the messager....unless asked to do so with my camera. ;)
Ralph McKenzie said:
Thank you all for contributing. It good to see we all have a critical eye for quality.

Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.

So thank you all for the input, I have more than enough info to slap them with.

For those who were curious, the vote here was unanimous the second picture was far more accurate. In terms of color and contrast.That was produced by my newly acquired SLR Pentax zx-50 using the 200mm lens at full blast. I like accurate color before saturated color and the color in the second photo is very accurate.

One of our members felt that the photos were taken in two different areas.Thats right they were. Same day 10 minutes apart on both sides of our property.

So to you all, thanks again, I will keep you posted as to their reaction.

Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
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Kevin Cardany said:
  • Second Image: Noise at the high contrast areas (transition between skin and clothes, the subject's nose, etc.). Did you get this digital image directly from the photo lab or did you scan the print? If you got it from the lab I agree with you they should be able to do better than that.
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Direct from the Lab and all the images exhibit the same mess.

The options were for tiff or jpeg with tiff supposedly holding the better levels of detail. Converting to jpeg as usual introduces some loss of detail,with the film I could understand that but the digital images were/are terrible. I think somebody just basically screwed up.
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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Ralph
Ralph McKenzie said:
Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.

So thank you all for the input, I have more than enough info to slap them with.
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If Kim was right and you are thanking him for his input it is really a shame he was banned for his efforts.

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Heres another example. I knew this shot would be good when I took it. I have done a little processing on it, mainly just a small crop and adjust light and contrast a bit. I didnt dare try to sharpen or apply noise reduction. This is the original from the CD
Shot with the Pentax SLR @ 200mm f4 distance about 20 metres.
Focus is good as the detail level of the dogs tongue is good.

And this is the cropped version with slight adjust for light and tone. Smearing became even worse when I did that.





Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Lloydy said:
... Which film ?

Cheers.
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Rgds, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.
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DOH!! Sorry Dave thought I mentioned that.

Fuji Superia 400. I find it has good warmth and very good color balance. Its one of the reasons that astrophotographers who shoot film use this film.

And to answer another question the Pentax ZX-50 was made in 1998 so hopefully that qualifies it as old ;)

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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
buckshot said:
buckshot said:
Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.
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If Kim was right and you are thanking him for his input it is really a shame he was banned for his efforts.
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Say What!! Did I miss something, I thought I had read all the posts in this thread
I dont see why he should have had that happen???

Love Dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Ralph McKenzie said:
buckshot said:
Ralph McKenzie said:
Kim was right in his assessment of the images, as it was feedback about how you saw the processing, not the camera or the composition that was important to me. It will help when I take said Fuji center to task over its woeful processing.
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If Kim was right and you are thanking him for his input it is really a shame he was banned for his efforts.
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Say What!! Did I miss something, I thought I had read all the posts in this thread
I dont see why he should have had that happen???

Love Dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS10,Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
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Well, if it is the case that he has been banned (and one lives in hope rather than expectation), I think it is safe to assume the following:
  • that the dpr mods have probably just returned from their seasonal break and have read some of the postings over the season of 'good will', and that the ban will not have been as a result of this particular thread, rather as a result of the countless others he has ruined since his return from the last ban
  • that the ban is unlikely to be permanent (at least if history is anything to go by - is it 14 and counting?)
  • that in his absence, the atmosphere here will lighten, and beginners will not feel intimidated into silence, and traffic and participation will increase, just as it did during his last enforced absence
  • that he will use his blog to vent his spleen, smearing many individuals who post here in good faith
and
  • that, upon his return, he will devise an even creepier avatar than the last one...
Andrew
 
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