SLR Choice

Merbert Ancriwalli

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Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+ glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
 
M

You can always wait for the "next generation". You have to decide whether you want to jump in now or not. I can guarantee that in the medium term, there will always be a better camera just around the corner.

IMO if you are considering spending this amount of money, you should try to get a hands on to see which you prefer the feel of. Buy a CF card and reader and actually take some pics in the store, if they'll let you and then review the pics. For the money you are about to blow on the camera, glass, etc, this would be a small price to pay.

Hope this helps.

Calvin

P.S. I'm a Canon user, but this should not influence you.
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
 
I own a D100, however, I will say that if you want great photographs out-of-the-camera using default settings, get a D60 instead. The good thing with the D100, however, is that for every major problem with default settings there is a solution since the D100 is highly customizable:

1. With the D100, the default settings, especially the tone compensation settings, lead to seemingly underexposed photos (underexposed by about 0.5 EV).

Solution: I created several custom tone curves that solve this problem by adjusting brightness to the equivalence of adding +0.3, +0.5, and +0.7 EV but with better highlight retention than actually adding EV adjustments to the camera. They are downloadable here: http://www.geocities.com/kisskissbangbang_97

2. There is more luminance noise in photographs than with the D60.

Solution: Well, this isn't really a solution, but personally, luminance noise to me makes photos look less digital. I actually like a little noise in my photographs.

3. Photos aren't as crisp as D60.

Solution: I use the high sharpness setting. Photos become crisp out of the camera and with minimal halos (definitely less than I've seen from the S2). Even though the noise is increased somewhat, like I said, I actually like the way luminance noise looks compared to chroma noise.

I just wanted to warn you if you have immediate expectations of the D100. Out of the box, many people, especially in the Nikon SLR forum, complain about underexposure, sharpness, and noise. I have found ways to solve these problems (workarounds if you will), however, it didn't take just a day to figure these things out.

Now, for the areas where I think the D100 excel:

1. High ISO. I've taken photos in almost complete darkness with the Hi-1 and setting (3200 ISO). Although there was quite a bit of noise in the photos, the color sharpness actually surprised me and I was able to hand hold the camera for the shot.

2. Focus. With my 35-70 AF-D f/2.8 (non AF-S), I was expecting slow focusing, however, I was pleasantly surprised at how fast it would lock on to what I was photographing. Of course, you have to focus on things with contrast or horizontal and vertical lines. I think some people expect a camera to focus on things without any contrast. I know better.

3. Customizability. The D100 can literally become a different camera when you load a custom tone curve to it. This is almost a hidden secret of the camera. With it, you can lift shadows while maintaining contrast in your photos. And the tone is applied before the photo is converted to JPG, making it better than working on JPG photos in photoshop after taking the photograph. The limitation to this, however, is that you cannot change individual color channels, and the tone curves seem to produce color imbalances when you try and bend the curve too much.

4. Battery life. I have taken over 700 photos, reviewing each photo on the LCD, before having to recharge my battery. I can go out all day without having to worry about my battery consumption. If you use the onboard flash, however, it limits the battery life. So I carry my old SB-28 with me.

5. Lenses. Although after looking at the MTF charts at Canon lenses, I must say that I am impressed with the sharpness of their line, I like the capability of slapping on my old manual E-series Nikon lens to my D100 and shooting with it. Of course, with the older non-CPU lenses, you get no metering, but with the histogram review, you get immediate feedback and using sunny f/16, I can usually get a perfect exposure in 2 shots. Again, I'm probably strange, but I think its more fun when you have to work for your photographs.

I love my D-100 and wouldn't trade it for the world! However, if you can wait for the next generation (which I could not), I would wait. I used to have a Coolpix 990 before my D-100 and I just couldn't stand the shutter lag or the noise. With the D-100, there is less noise at ISO 800 than my 990's ISO 100! Also, there is no discernable shutter lag. It's like night and day.

Now, for a couple of samples, here's a photo I took of my baby cousin:



Here's a photo of my wife in S.F.:



Good luck in your decision.
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
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You cannot perceive beauty but with a serene mind
 
The sooner you choose the sooner you will benefit.

Get one now. If you don't have a lens collection yet. Either one you pick you will be perfectly happy. I think these two camera are perfectly equal. Perhaps you can visit a shop and try both in your hands with the lens you plan to buy, the lens selection will help you choose. I personally think you can find more used Canon lens than Nikon lens, but! that could be that I am looking for Canon ones.

Hoang
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
 
"The S2 delivers sharper JPEG's straight out of the camera than the D100. Shoot RAW on both and there's very little difference.

Feature / flexibility wise the D100 has it. For ultra-smooth and clean images below ISO 400 the D60 would be your choice.

At the end of the day the only thing which will make better pictures is being a better photographer." Phil Askey

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=3147450

I post this all the time.

I would consider the S2 also. One big advantage of the D100 & S2 is their selectable color space of Adobe 1998. I need to do linear conversions of the D60's RAW to access a larger color gamut.

But I would only shoot RAW. The only time I shot jpegs was for scouting locations, & now I'm not even doing this. With the D60 I just extract the embedded jpeg for these scouting pics. If I need to correct any of these pics I can use the RAW for quicker & superior results.

Regards,
CLTHRS
 
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs
If you're not in a hurry (you already have gear) this is a sensible option. There should be a new Pentax DSLR in the spring and there are rumours of a DSLR from Olympus. More variety and more competition usually provides better options and better prices. All depends on your current needs and whether you have the urgent buying bug :)

Gene

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http://www.NorthernJourney.com/
 
I'm kind of in the same boat as you.

I have an E10 which I really enjoy, but I have the bug to buy a full interchangable lens SLR. Just having trouble deciding what to get. I think I will wait for the Spring PMA and see what is avalable at that time.

By then the SD9, and new Kodak 14 MP monster will both be fully disected.

But If I were to buy right now I would definitely go for the D60. I love those clean CMOS pictures.

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...Fuji's S2 Pro in your list, since there is plenty of evidence here and many other places that confirm that, after Canon's 1Ds, it should be the next choice in your list.

The reasons range from dynamic range, color accuracy, all the way to net effective resolution (highest behind Canon's 1Ds).

Best regards,

Ferenc
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
 
You'll be able to squeeze excellent pictures from either camera. So choose the system, not just the camera.

The Canon lens system is much more comprehensive, technologically advanced, cutting edge, and for the most part more affordable than Nikon's. Many more Canon IS lenses (around a dozen) than Nikon's VR lenses (1 currently, 1 on the way), many more Canon USM lenses (almost all Canon lenses are USM) than Nikon's AFS lenses (about a dozen), plus more specialty lenses such as Canon tilt-shift lenses (24mm, 45mm, 90mm TS-E) compared to Nikon's one tilt-shift (85mm) and Canon 1-5x macro. Plus you have the advantage of an electronic cable release (which I prefer because not only can I trip the shutter with it but I can also activate autofocus; plus its flexible wire is easier to handle and you don't have to worry about it transmitting any movement or vibration to the camera) and mirror lock up on the D60 (which is valuable if you plan on doing any high magnification photography such as macro).

To the Nikon's advantage, you'll likely find better low light focusing on the D100, unless you put a hotshoe flash on the D60 with an IR focus assist beam.

So it really depends on what your specific needs are. Other than that, flip a coin and enjoy.
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
 
Thanks to all who have replied so far - I have been off line for a couple of days, so sorry for the lack of response.

As Gene, has said, I have gear, I can take photos (some good ones of the in-laws on the weekend if you must know !!!) and I am in no hurry.

I think that I will wait at least until after Xmas and see what is about then

Thanks Again

M
If you're not in a hurry (you already have gear) this is a sensible
option. There should be a new Pentax DSLR in the spring and there
are rumours of a DSLR from Olympus. More variety and more
competition usually provides better options and better prices. All
depends on your current needs and whether you have the urgent
buying bug :)

Gene
 
Thanks everyone for your responses - very much appreciated.

I've probably refined in my mind a little of what I require in a DSLR
  • macro (shot some photos at the Werribee rose gardens yesterday and had a few close ones out of focus on the S40)
  • speed - lost a few good opportunities at the Melbourne Cup through lack of speed - all I got of the Cup field was the corner of one frame which was somewhat disappointing.
I guess what I am saying is that I think that I will
  • see how fast/slow the D60 ahd D100 are in the store this week
  • probably wait for the next generation of DSLR to get what I really want/need
Thanks again to this great community and all of your help and advice

M.
 
Many thanks for the precis- I don't always follow all of Phil's reviews with the diligence that they deserve.

I've not seen the S2 here at all - may be I will ask after it. We seem to have limited options here in the Antipodes (Maybe someone will correct me here - I Hope !!!)

Cheers

M.
At the end of the day the only thing which will make better
pictures is being a better photographer." Phil Askey
 
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
You shouldn' wait at all. Digital imaging is great fun, and there are already some great performing cameras. Personally I have a Canon D30 which is magical. Best of luck.
--
Chris Clark
 
Hi,

One point missing here! You are buying into a lens system. DSLR's come and go but the lens you have in your bag stay there! Look at the lens you need as they will tie you into the mount.

The Nikon glass currently looks cheaper (In most cases). Plus Fuji and Kodak both make camera on the mount (At the moment) so you have camera options.

I would look long term and decide, rather than short term.
Alex
Hi all

I'm looking at 3 options

1. Canon EOS-D60
2. Nikon D100
3. Wait until the next gerenation of DSLRs

I've got an old Ricoh SLR (film) and a Canon s40 (so no allegiance
to either's glass).

I've heard good about both and read extensvely on boththe Canon and
Nikon SLR forums (slow focus, soft res etc). The price here in Aus
may be the decider - $4800 for thr Nikon and $5500 for the Canon (+
glass + flash etc).

I am also thinking that another generation and the performance and
res of the EOS-1Ds may be closer to that price!

Any comments or recommendations would be much appreciated

Thanks

M
You shouldn' wait at all. Digital imaging is great fun, and there
are already some great performing cameras. Personally I have a
Canon D30 which is magical. Best of luck.
--
Chris Clark
 
Yeah make sure to check out the lenses. I used to own a Canon SLR (film) and realized after a while that I really didn't like it. I didn't like the feel of the grip, I didn't like the lenses. So I bought a Nikon I love the way the lenses feel. I like having the aperture around the lens rather then digitally controlled. I just overall like the bigger grip and feel of the Nikons. I also like that I can use old manual lenses. So it's important to get a feel for the whole system.

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http://www.VisionEngine.com
 

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