G3 Pic - Indoor Portrait

Greg -

Do you have the EXIF info available for this shot, or perhaps the original? This one seems to be cropped (that's okay, but I was looking to find out the focal length and your distance to the subject, and there is no EXIF data with the pbase "original" version).

Nice shot. But for this lighting situation, I'd perhaps stand further back, change the angle of your bounce (does the 420ex head angle at all, or is it straight ahead?). This would illuminate her lower face even better, and make the highlights on the hair much less harsh (even as nicely held as the highlight already are).
Here's an door portrait with 420ex bounced off the ceiling. You
can see much better detail when looking at the "original" image.

http://www.pbase.com/image/6961579/

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Do you have the EXIF info available for this shot
I can get it for you when I return home later tonight.
This one seems to be cropped (that's okay, but I was
looking to find out the focal length and your distance to the
subject,
Yes it was cropped to remove the distracting objects in the background.
Nice shot.
Thanks
But for this lighting situation, I'd perhaps stand
further back, change the angle of your bounce (does the 420ex head
angle at all, or is it straight ahead?).
Right. I had just recieved the 420ex and was trying out some different shots. This one was bounced off the ceiling. Like you I noticed the issues with the lighting (bright hair, shadows under the chin). Next I stapped on the Lumiquest Promax but could not get her to stand still long enough to get another decent shot.

All in all, I took a number of shots but most turned out badly because my subject was just too wiggly. I picked the best shot of the group. There were other shots with better lighting were blurred as she dashed away. This is not the camera's fault, its just the way it goes with kids.

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G3 - 420EX
 
My understand is that in p or other auto mode, the shutter speed will be defaulted to 1/60s when flash is attached. But sometimes you may wish to use faster shutter speed. I found this is not a problem with my old second-hand minolta auto flash. The flash has 2 auto setting. each setting gives out a aperture value for each iso. I just match up the aperture of g3 to that and the sensor on the flash will control flash's output to achieve correct exposure. I found the onboard flash on g3 has 3 output levels for user to choose in M mode. It will not adjust its output based on environment. It renders the flash less useful for M mode. Sony, Fuji and other brands will adjust flash to try to create correct exposure for the aperture and shutter speed you choose in M mode.

Here are some examples of my flash images with G3 and the Minolta flash.

http://www.pbase.com/franklin/g3_photos
 
very nice portrait (of your daughter?), although the lighting was not homonenious. according to my experience, "bounced off the ceiling" seldom achieves good results. You'd better try to use some other reflector, e.g. hold a white cloth if the wall behind you isn't white. Finally, we can use G3 with one hand (707/717 not:-)), right?

yang
http://www.fototime.com/inv/C8357F4A7D0C07B
Here's an door portrait with 420ex bounced off the ceiling. You
can see much better detail when looking at the "original" image.

http://www.pbase.com/image/6961579/

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Greg
G3 - 420EX
 
I found the onboard flash on g3 has 3 output levels for user to
choose in M mode.
really? what are they? something like 1/2, 1/4, 1/8? I remember there's also 1/16, or I was wrong.
It will not adjust its output based on
environment.
G3's manual flash setting also work on e.g. 420EX. You'll have more flexibilities this way.
Sony,
Fuji and other brands will adjust flash to try to create correct
exposure for the aperture and shutter speed you choose in M mode.
do they have TTL metering for the flash? It would be less useful, if the metering works with the built-in sensor on the flash.
 
I found the onboard flash on g3 has 3 output levels for user to
choose in M mode.
really? what are they? something like 1/2, 1/4, 1/8? I remember
there's also 1/16, or I was wrong.
Not sure about the actual power output as fraction. It display a linear scale with 3 preset positions. My point is you have do set that before you take the picture and the camera is not going adjust based on subject, distance of the subject and aperture you choose.
It will not adjust its output based on
environment.
G3's manual flash setting also work on e.g. 420EX. You'll have more
flexibilities this way.
You mean you can adjust 420ex's output similiar to that of the the onboard flash. Still no control of the flash power in real-time.
Sony,
Fuji and other brands will adjust flash to try to create correct
exposure for the aperture and shutter speed you choose in M mode.
do they have TTL metering for the flash? It would be less useful,
if the metering works with the built-in sensor on the flash.
Not TTL, but thru some sensor mounted next to the lens. The camera knows the aperture you choose and will shut down the flash when it thinks proper exposure is reached for the given aperture based on the light reflected off the subject.
 
My point is you have do set
that before you take the picture and the camera is not going adjust
based on subject, distance of the subject and aperture you choose.
Now I'm really confused. Doesn't the "manual" mode mean that you need to manually adjust the flash output. If you want auto adjustment you need to be in auto or program mode. My understanding is the the Canon flashes were the only ones that supported auto mode. Which one reason I choose the Canon instead of the much cheaper alternatives.

What am I missing here?

Greg
 
I want to manually adjust aperture and shutter speed. I don't want to manually adjust flash. I adjust aperture and shutter to achieve the effect I like, such as freeze some action, limit/enhance dof. Flash is there to provide the right amount light for my setting, which is very easy to achieve by the camera and flash if they can do it for auto mode. This is my philosophy for manual mode. Maybe canon's is different. apparently it is.
My point is you have do set
that before you take the picture and the camera is not going adjust
based on subject, distance of the subject and aperture you choose.
Now I'm really confused. Doesn't the "manual" mode mean that you
need to manually adjust the flash output. If you want auto
adjustment you need to be in auto or program mode. My
understanding is the the Canon flashes were the only ones that
supported auto mode. Which one reason I choose the Canon instead of
the much cheaper alternatives.

What am I missing here?

Greg
 
I want to manually adjust aperture and shutter speed.
Oh, now I see. Well sort of. So you want to adjust Aperture and shutter then let the flash/camera figure out how much light is needs. I believe this is possible with the 420ex but I'm not sure.

I'll try out tonight.

Greg
 
Now I'm really confused. Doesn't the "manual" mode mean that you
need to manually adjust the flash output. If you want auto
adjustment you need to be in auto or program mode.
exactely. A shooting mode is normally desighned to fill one certain wish of the photographer, but not an inconsistent one.
My
understanding is the the Canon flashes were the only ones that
supported auto mode.
I don't understand it. Perhaps, you meant the TTL metering and zoom syncronisation (flash zoom is steered by camera zoom)?
 
I want to manually adjust aperture and shutter speed.
Oh, now I see. Well sort of. So you want to adjust Aperture and
shutter then let the flash/camera figure out how much light is
needs.
Franklin would rather risk the flash power controlling by the unreliable flash sensor which doesn't know the actual view angle used. Remeber the flash sensor is more likely fooled by the special lighting condition than the TTL metering.
I believe this is possible with the 420ex but I'm not sure.
no, 420EX doesn't have its won sensor. It's designed for Canon'r concept of E-TTL metering/steering

Franklin, would you tell me a situation where you must work this way, instead of using Av or Tv mode (incl. exposure compensation for the normal exposure and flash power)?
 
My
understanding is the the Canon flashes were the only ones that
supported auto mode.
I don't understand it. Perhaps, you meant the TTL metering and zoom
syncronisation (flash zoom is steered by camera zoom)?
Right, I mean metering. TTL or otherwise. After reading Franklin's first post, I think he wants to be able to adjust the shutter speed or aperture of camera and let camera metering+flash compensate. He commented tha with the 420ex attached, the camera locks to 1/60. I don't recall if this true, but can check it later tonight. Franklin, have we got your question right?

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G3 - 420EX
 

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