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Returned my E-PL1

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Cailean Gallimore said:
It seems like he just willing to put the neccessary effort in to learn how to use it to best results. That's fair enough, but learning is half the fun...
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You mean isn't willing to put in the effort?Yeah.

Some people aren't willing to RTFM or learn how to use the equipment. Whatever. But for him to turn around and say the equipment sucks and that everyone who bought one should be embarassed to have been such a sucker, well that's just not cool.
 
LincolnB said:
Cailean Gallimore said:
It seems like he just willing to put the neccessary effort in to learn how to use it to best results. That's fair enough, but learning is half the fun...
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You mean isn't willing to put in the effort?Yeah.

Some people aren't willing to RTFM or learn how to use the equipment. Whatever. But for him to turn around and say the equipment sucks and that everyone who bought one should be embarassed to have been such a sucker, well that's just not cool.
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if you dropped a Leica M6 in his hands!

Tedolph
 
Yeah, I meant not willing. It's easier to blame the camera, than own up to a lack of knowledge and the patience required to gain it. I imagine he'd rather have mediocre pictures from a camera that does it all for him, than great pictures he learned how to make for himself. Lol.
LincolnB said:
Cailean Gallimore said:
It seems like he just willing to put the neccessary effort in to learn how to use it to best results. That's fair enough, but learning is half the fun...
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You mean isn't willing to put in the effort?Yeah.

Some people aren't willing to RTFM or learn how to use the equipment. Whatever. But for him to turn around and say the equipment sucks and that everyone who bought one should be embarassed to have been such a sucker, well that's just not cool.
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if u go back to P&S it is all fair and good and show where your priorities are.

to me, when i got the e-pl1 it opened my eyes to the creative opportunities i had missed out with P&S, but then again i had some old OM lenses in a box, and that was what opened my eyes rather than the kit lens.

my advice to P&S people is that, unless you have consistently owned the top P&S stuff like Canon G and S series etc, and found yourself limited and considering SLR... don't bother.

(a) there is a steep learning curve involved that you have to enjoy

(b) there is additional investment required in lenses, like with every modular system

only then will you draw the full benefits.

by the way, these days, even $100 P&S are quite capable. i have invested a lot into m43, but i own a Canon S90 i love and even an A3100 that simply lies around... and takes good pictures and goes for $99 these days. for an easy shot i probably would not care much about the difference between the A3100 and my E-PL2 with the CV 25:0.95 lens on it...
 
PhotoMED said:
tedolf said:
I thnk one of the biggest mistakes people moving to the E-pl1 expecially from the point n shoot world make is their belief that like a P & S the kit lens is capable of doing everything.
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Why offer a kit lens then? Why not just sell the body?
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I don't know if anyone already posted it but you can buy only the body. The body + kit lens is just like 30$ more or so, so taking that kit lens for that cheap is a good deal... even if it just collects dust on a shelf and serves as a backup...
 
rpm40 said:
Unless you need the improved image quality from the bigger sensor, or the depth of field control from faster lenses/bigger sensor, a nice compact cam is the ticket for most people, and will be much cheaper. A canon s95 or panny lx5 will perform very similarly to the epl1 (or any m4/3) with the kit lens.

The f2.0 lenses at wide angle make up for the 2 stops of noise advantage. The only difference is when you upgrade- there is no compact solution that can compete with a gf1 or ep1 with, say the panasonic 20 f1.7.

For most people, i'd say if you plan on buying yourself a m4/3 and just sticking with the kit lens, you'd probably be happier with a good point and shoot.

Good luck!
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Could not agree more. I actually tried to go P&S way, but for me image quality was not good enough. Maybe I choose wrong camera (Panasonic TZ7). So I replaced P&S with E-P1. And I am actually satisfied with kit lens quality. For occasions when I know it wont do, I choose Nikon D300s and faster primes...

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I've seen the OT's posts slamming the oly e-pl1 because he cant get it to work in low light.. As mentioned by a few others, there is a learning curve to owning a MILC or DSLR. You can always put it on auto mode, but then you dont learn anything or take anything better than a P&S. I came from a 35mm SLR background and had P&S for a few years before I rediscovered the joys of photography with my recently acquired G2.

I've never been happier.. relearning stuff and thinking about image compostition, lighting etc.. stuff that P&S shooters dont..

So to the OP.. If the e-pl1 doesnt suit you. Thats not a big deal. Move on. But dont blame the tools because they are too complicated..

To each his own..

Cheers and have a Happy New Year..
 
Assuming you meant he isn´t willing i might just add that that´s more embarassing for him than for the camera.

I turn focus assist on my cameras off most of the time to not annoy other people at parties and if you put in a bit of thought it´s no problem to focus in low light. The 20mm is a clear recommendation though if one shoots a lot in low light.
Cailean Gallimore said:
It seems like he just willing to put the neccessary effort in to learn how to use it to best results. That's fair enough, but learning is half the fun...
LincolnB said:
PhotoMED is convinced that the Olympus m4/3 cameras are technologically embarassing because they don't have his favorite pet feature that his old point & shoot had: an autofocus assist lamp.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=37305576

Of course, that feature was barely mentioned in the review of his old camera. It didn't even make it onto the specifications list of features. But he's dead convinced it's a must-have feature.
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What´s that noise?

From one of the Canon Forums:

'I just came back from my first holiday with the 5D II (I think my wife was there as well). '
 
Some of you are using the "P&S" term like that is some criminal. I would've given more weight to your posts if atleast half of you criticized Olympus for not being able to make an AF assist which is a simple (yet very useful) feature and doesn't cost a fortune.

When we didn't have technology in the olden days, we did adjust to the inadequacies. I fail to understand why we should not use AF assist when it is available. It is a basic feature.

So, are you all implying that we should turn all "auto" features off, just to prove that we can shoot manual? Are you guys kidding me?

I know that other camera owners are reading this and at the moment they are laughing at Olympus. You are also implying that I am the only person complaining. Reviewers have criticized lack of AF assist severely too and its ability to AF slowly.
 
PhotoMED said:
Yep, I don't expect quite a lot from it. But, I cam adjust with it because of the low cost. But, if we are not satisfied with a camera with $400+ like E-PL1, then that is not worth it.

To be honest, the small Canons ELPH series and all are very good in auto mode despite their limitations. I was given a SDxxxx of 5 years old 2 weeks back at a religious ceremony and I was able to take good pictures.
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now we are looking at 1/2.5" sensor. all auto cameras as replacements for a 4/3 sensor camera.

How rediculous can this get?
 
pablolie said:
if u go back to P&S it is all fair and good and show where your priorities are.

to me, when i got the e-pl1 it opened my eyes to the creative opportunities i had missed out with P&S, but then again i had some old OM lenses in a box, and that was what opened my eyes rather than the kit lens.

my advice to P&S people is that, unless you have consistently owned the top P&S stuff like Canon G and S series etc, and found yourself limited and considering SLR... don't bother.

(a) there is a steep learning curve involved that you have to enjoy

(b) there is additional investment required in lenses, like with every modular system

only then will you draw the full benefits.

by the way, these days, even $100 P&S are quite capable. i have invested a lot into m43, but i own a Canon S90 i love and even an A3100 that simply lies around... and takes good pictures and goes for $99 these days. for an easy shot i probably would not care much about the difference between the A3100 and my E-PL2 with the CV 25:0.95 lens on it...
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the top end point and shoots are now just as expensive (or more so) than a $400.00 E-pl1. If I had to choose between a Cannon G12 and an E-pl1 for the same price I would have a real hard time justifying the G12 under alsomt any circumstances except maybe as a travel cam. If and when GF-2 prices come down into this range, the pro-sumer point n shoot will be dead. I just can't see it surving. 1/2.5" sensor cameras for super zoom-yep; 1/1.7" sensor camera's-nope.

Tedolph
 
PhotoMED said:
Some of you are using the "P&S" term like that is some criminal. I would've given more weight to your posts if atleast half of you criticized Olympus for not being able to make an AF assist which is a simple (yet very useful) feature and doesn't cost a fortune.

When we didn't have technology in the olden days, we did adjust to the inadequacies. I fail to understand why we should not use AF assist when it is available. It is a basic feature.

So, are you all implying that we should turn all "auto" features off, just to prove that we can shoot manual? Are you guys kidding me?

I know that other camera owners are reading this and at the moment they are laughing at Olympus. You are also implying that I am the only person complaining. Reviewers have criticized lack of AF assist severely too and its ability to AF slowly.
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Because we don't want an autofocus assist light and do not need an auto focus assist light. I know this sounds crazy to you but many of us use manual focus, or fine tune with manual focus most of the time. Many of us like using manual lenses more than we like using u 4/3 lenses. Many of us use a mix of manual legacy lenses (40mm and beyond) and u 4/3 lenses (35mm and below) and know that in some circumstances the manual lenses with DOF scales have a huge advantage over auto focus lenses. We have tried to explain this to you in this and in other threads but you are either dense or stubborn or both.

Enjoy your G12. Really, I mean that.

Now stop bothering us with your focus light rant.

Tedolph
 
I'm not nearly as happy with my G2, as I am with my P7000, D700, or even the little L22 and old S2 Pro. It would appear that manufacturers like to compete against their own models, like Chev and Pont in the 'good old days'. Too many models, too little refinement.
 
Skipper494 said:
I'm not nearly as happy with my G2, as I am with my P7000, D700, or even the little L22 and old S2 Pro. It would appear that manufacturers like to compete against their own models, like Chev and Pont in the 'good old days'. Too many models, too little refinement.
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P7000 is a dog! Every review says so!. Not L22, for what you pay for it is actually a very impressive camera-has been since the L18 days. Shows what Nikon can do with autofocus, JPEG engine, exposure control, lenses, etc. and value for $. L22 is probably Nikon at its best. But Nikon always fell short in the pro-sumer market (I know I owned a 5400).
 
PhotoMED,

I have the perfect advice for you since you feel that the AF assist light is that important and you sent the E-PL1 back because it doesnt have it, unlike your P&S.

Why dont you get a Panasonic GF-1? It has an AF assist light and the prices are very cheap right now ($299 body only at Samy's photo). I'm sure you'll have no need to even read the manual, just put it on iA mode and fire away.. with or w/o built in flash..

Thanks.
 
I'm beginning to think that if someone asked you the time, you'd say "Nikon."
Skipper494 said:
I'm not nearly as happy with my G2, as I am with my P7000, D700, or even the little L22 and old S2 Pro. It would appear that manufacturers like to compete against their own models, like Chev and Pont in the 'good old days'. Too many models, too little refinement.
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Winston Loo said:
PhotoMED,

I have the perfect advice for you since you feel that the AF assist light is that important and you sent the E-PL1 back because it doesnt have it, unlike your P&S.

Why dont you get a Panasonic GF-1? It has an AF assist light and the prices are very cheap right now ($299 body only at Samy's photo). I'm sure you'll have no need to even read the manual, just put it on iA mode and fire away.. with or w/o built in flash..

Thanks.
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There is no point in PhotoMED getting a GF-1 because if his daughter had a bithday and he had to change lenses it would take two minutes.

Tedolph
 
PhotoMED said:
I fail to understand why we should not use AF assist when it is available. It is a basic feature.
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Check the review on this site of your beloved DMC-FZ5, the camera that addicted you to AF assist. It's not even listed as a feature, that's how unimportant it is.
 
tedolf said:
Winston Loo said:
PhotoMED,

I have the perfect advice for you since you feel that the AF assist light is that important and you sent the E-PL1 back because it doesnt have it, unlike your P&S.

Why dont you get a Panasonic GF-1? It has an AF assist light and the prices are very cheap right now ($299 body only at Samy's photo). I'm sure you'll have no need to even read the manual, just put it on iA mode and fire away.. with or w/o built in flash..

Thanks.
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There is no point in PhotoMED getting a GF-1 because if his daughter had a bithday and he had to change lenses it would take two minutes.

Tedolph
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LOL !!
 
tedolf said:
PhotoMED said:
Yep, I don't expect quite a lot from it. But, I cam adjust with it because of the low cost. But, if we are not satisfied with a camera with $400+ like E-PL1, then that is not worth it.

To be honest, the small Canons ELPH series and all are very good in auto mode despite their limitations. I was given a SDxxxx of 5 years old 2 weeks back at a religious ceremony and I was able to take good pictures.
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now we are looking at 1/2.5" sensor. all auto cameras as replacements for a 4/3 sensor camera.

How rediculous can this get?
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Exactly my thoughts. If we had E-PL1 that day, we would have missed few shots that day because it struggles with focus. I told you long back that even a 75$ camera has a AF assist. Ofcourse, implies that expensive cameras than E-PL1 do have AF assist as well.

What we need is a reliable camera, not a dumber.
 
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