UPgrade from SB-800 to SB-900?

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Wondering if anyone out there who has upgraded to, or added the SB-900 to/from an SB-800 could helpfully comment on pro's and cons. I know the SB-900 is a little on the expensive side in comparison.

However, I'm looking at the extended range, etc. Can anyone comment on metering and sensitivity, etc?

I only have one flash now for indoor photography, wondering if I should jump up or not.

Thanks again, Mike.
 
I bought one because I wanted a second CLS-controlled flash, and the SB800's were all gone. I like the SB900, but would have preferred the SB800 due to a lower price.

I do think the SB900 is better, though not more powerful most of the time. (Power increase comes from better zoom, and better matching of flash to DX/FX format). It's biggest benefit to me, in comparison with the SB800, is the ease of use of the controls. One wouldn't think a simple on/off/master/remote switch would make that much difference, but it's something that you deal with every time you use the flash. Not worth upgrading to get at the price you have to pay, but appreciated when you get one.

On the other hand, the flash is physically bigger (head, that is), and the storage case is significantly longer (because of how the diffuser and filter holder is stored). This also affects me about everytime I use the flash, because its a lot bigger to pack in the bag, and the separate zippered compartment for flash is a pain to have to open and close every time you use the diffuser, plus the filter holder nested in there is also fiddly to put away.

In use, they are about the same, except that the SB900 turns farther in one direction (useful).

If you have the opportunity to get an SB800 flash at the old price, you really have to wonder if it's worth paying so much more for the SB900.
 
I do think the SB900 is better, though not more powerful most of the time. (Power increase comes from better zoom, and better matching of flash to DX/FX format). It's biggest benefit to me, in comparison with the SB800, is the ease of use of the controls. One wouldn't think a simple on/off/master/remote switch would make that much difference, but it's something that you deal with every time you use the flash. Not worth upgrading to get at the price you have to pay, but appreciated when you get one.
The highlighted (by me) text (above) is true and an important consideration. All the old Nikon flashes (before the SB-900 were terrible to use...had to carry the manual all the time to figure out how to do even simple stuff! The SB-900 is light-years ahead of the SB-600 & SB-800.

I'm hoping the SB-700 is similar to the SB-900 in this regard...

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D50, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
"Quantum Mechanics: The dreams that stuff is made of..."
 
The SB900 will cover a wider picture angle than the SB800 but the biggest difference is in the IR AF assist. You get about 3x the AF sensor coverage area and the IR can be used over a much greater zoom range. If you rely at all on the IR AF assist to achieve faster autofocus in dimly lit situations the SB900 is well worth the extra cost over the SB800.

The SB700 is a big improvement over the SB600 but falls short of the SB800 and SB900 in performance. There is no way to attach an external battery pack to the SB700 for shorter recycle times which makes it of no value to me as a flash.

What would be useful but not made is a full swivel and full tilt flash that will work as a remote like the SB700 but at about half the size. With the higher ISO capabilities of today's cameras I often can get by with a less powerful flash and would do so it was half the size of the SB600 and had CLS remote capabilities but such a flash is not made by either Nikon or Metz or Sunpak so I continue to carry around the SB800's.
 
I'm glad I traded my SB800 for SB900......

I didnt do it because the SB800 wasnt good enough..it certainly is.....I did it for the extra range that covers my Nikon 18-200 lens......its also nice to get rid of that extra battery thats stuck on the side of the SB800 ;)

I personally find the SB900 easier to use.......easier menu format.

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As others mentioned, the latter is easier to use but much larger in size. A couple of years ago, I went with the switch to the SB-900 but I also re-aquired a SB-800 because in long event photography gigs, you need two flashes.

The 900 can overheat after several hours of heavy shooting, so I'll alternate between the two.
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Dez

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the Nissin Mark II Di866, we looked at it during PDN PhotoPlus expo and it is less money and seems to fit the bill. Anyone out there using one that can give me some feedback as I want to pick up a additional flash to suplement my SB600?
Thanks,
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Oscar
 
I find 900 more precise / consistent in regards to exposure over the 800.

Every other pros were allready mentioned.As for the cons, I would like to stress (after Dez ) , its tendency to overheat. If You are going to shoot in warmer enviroment using more power and in bursts or quick succession, 900 may overheat very quickly. It happens to me many times over during weddings. When it happens I reach for my old trusty 800 which never overheats.
Hope that helps,
Cheers,
Marek

http://www.marekczajkowski.pl
 
By far the greatest reason to upgrade. Well said. The ability to control the spread of light is very cool as well. FWIW I would keep your sb800 and add a sb900 though. Soon you will be adding even a few more smaller ones like the sb600 and gain a lot of control over the lighting in your images.
The SB900 will cover a wider picture angle than the SB800 but the biggest difference is in the IR AF assist. You get about 3x the AF sensor coverage area and the IR can be used over a much greater zoom range. If you rely at all on the IR AF assist to achieve faster autofocus in dimly lit situations the SB900 is well worth the extra cost over the SB800.
 
I find 900 more precise / consistent in regards to exposure over the 800.

Every other pros were allready mentioned.As for the cons, I would like to stress (after Dez ) , its tendency to overheat. If You are going to shoot in warmer enviroment using more power and in bursts or quick succession, 900 may overheat very quickly. It happens to me many times over during weddings. When it happens I reach for my old trusty 800 which never overheats.
As others have said, the SB-900 doesn't overheat any more than the SB-800. The difference is that the SB-900 senses when it's getting warm and stops before it overheats. There is a menu choice to disable this feature and then the SB-900 overheats just like the SB-800...but keeps on working...until the end (overheating can result in permanent damage, after which the flash doesn't get hot anymore...or emit bright light).

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D50, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
"Quantum Mechanics: The dreams that stuff is made of..."
 
As others have said, the SB-900 doesn't overheat any more than the SB-800. The difference is that the SB-900 senses when it's getting warm and stops before it overheats. There is a menu choice to disable this feature and then the SB-900 overheats just like the SB-800...but keeps on working...until the end (overheating can result in permanent damage, after which the flash doesn't get hot anymore...or emit bright light).
900 does produce more heat (hence it overheats quicker than 800) because it is more powerfull and for that reason it has thermal cutout built in. I have never dared to turn it off, Nikon also strongly suggest not to. Never such limitations with the 800.
 
As others have said, the SB-900 doesn't overheat any more than the SB-800. The difference is that the SB-900 senses when it's getting warm and stops before it overheats. There is a menu choice to disable this feature and then the SB-900 overheats just like the SB-800...but keeps on working...until the end (overheating can result in permanent damage, after which the flash doesn't get hot anymore...or emit bright light).
900 does produce more heat (hence it overheats quicker than 800) because it is more powerfull and for that reason it has thermal cutout built in. I have never dared to turn it off, Nikon also strongly suggest not to. Never such limitations with the 800.
The SB-900 (GN = 34m) is less powerful than the SB-800 (GN = 38m). You want to rethink that first sentence?

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Charlie Davis
Nikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D50, Nikon D300
HomePage: http://www.1derful.info
"Quantum Mechanics: The dreams that stuff is made of..."
 
I haven't used the SB900. At one time I had five SB800s, and sold two of them. I still have three, which I use frequently with one as a master and two as remotes. Wish I still had the other two. Don't think I have a need for a SB900 yet. There are times I think that an SU800 would be good, but I find that I need to add the light from the unit on the camera in some situations. Using CLS from the menu with the pop up flash is a "last ditch" "only when necessary" choice.
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JohnE
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Using your sb800 as a master set not to fire contributes to the exposure? Are you looking at the su800 to give your better range or ease of use while setting ratios between the different groups?
I haven't used the SB900. At one time I had five SB800s, and sold two of them. I still have three, which I use frequently with one as a master and two as remotes. Wish I still had the other two. Don't think I have a need for a SB900 yet. There are times I think that an SU800 would be good, but I find that I need to add the light from the unit on the camera in some situations. Using CLS from the menu with the pop up flash is a "last ditch" "only when necessary" choice.
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JohnE
Some of my work is shown here:
http://www.biltmorephoto.com

 
As others have said, the SB-900 doesn't overheat any more than the SB-800. The difference is that the SB-900 senses when it's getting warm and stops before it overheats. There is a menu choice to disable this feature and then the SB-900 overheats just like the SB-800...but keeps on working...until the end (overheating can result in permanent damage, after which the flash doesn't get hot anymore...or emit bright light).
900 does produce more heat (hence it overheats quicker than 800) because it is more powerfull and for that reason it has thermal cutout built in. I have never dared to turn it off, Nikon also strongly suggest not to. Never such limitations with the 800.
The SB-900 (GN = 34m) is less powerful than the SB-800 (GN = 38m). You want to rethink that first sentence?
On the Nikon website You will also find this:

SB-900 Guide Number 40/56(ISO 100/200, m) (131.2/183.7, ft.) (At the 35mm zoom-head
position in Nikon FX-format at Normal light distribution, 20°C/68°F.)

The difference in numbers are negligible. I'am talking real life here. SB-900 due to diffrent head beam construction and it's ability to zoom all the way to 200mm, illuminates the given scene more evenly, uses light more efficiently. After shooting many weddings with both flashes I get strong impression that SB-900 gives me more power i many situations.
Marek

http://www.marekczajkowski.pl
 
We upgraded to SB-900s. The SB-900 is wonderfully high tech, and results can be spot on. However the over heating is an annoyance. For us it overheats rather quickly. Never had to deal with that previously...
 
On the Nikon website You will also find this:

SB-900 Guide Number 40/56(ISO 100/200, m) (131.2/183.7, ft.) (At the 35mm zoom-head
position in Nikon FX-format at Normal light distribution, 20°C/68°F.)

The difference in numbers are negligible. I'am talking real life here. SB-900 due to diffrent head beam construction and it's ability to zoom all the way to 200mm, illuminates the given scene more evenly, uses light more efficiently. After shooting many weddings with both flashes I get strong impression that SB-900 gives me more power i many situations.
Agreed. The 900 is an upgrade but I feel comfortable using the 800 as a backup.
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Dez

http://dezsantana.com

 

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