717 recall whiners!

Lee280zx said:

Nope, no paranoia here. Tell me, do you always have such a
difficult time adimitting when you are wrong?

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mike vanderstelt said:

--
Mike V.
I've been a technician at a G.M. dealer for 23yrs. Some of the
vehicles now are way over 50k, and they have "recalls" all the
time. I listen to some of you bitching about "your being
inconvenienced" by Sony, for a problem "they knew" was there! ( I
paid bla,bla, money etc.) Ya know, short of 1, and I mean 1, recall
G.M. has had in 23yrs. They have NEVER (the same goes for almost
all other auto manufactureres) EVER, picked up your car/truck,
fixed it, and returned it to your home! Does ANYONE know ANY
buisiness that has done that on a mass scale? My God, the unsold
717's still on the shelf didn't even have time to get dusty, and
Sony is already repairing them! I say GREAT JOB SONY!!!!!!! for
rectifying a problem in a VERY timely fashion and going WAY OVER
the extra mile to accomidate your customers! I havn't lost one
ounce of faith in Sony!
As far as you FEW whiners out there that have been SO PUT OUT over
this, GROW UP!!!!!!! Maybe just for you few, Sony should shut their
doors in dishonor and shame, give you ALL there stocks, and buy you
a NIKON!!
After all-------- YOU HAD A BAD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everybody else-------------I LOVE YOU ALL!

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Lee280zx said:

Not at all, I'm not paranoid about because I know I'm right. They
did make a Malibu in the '80s. You shoved your foot so far in your
mouth you can't seem to extract it.

No oxymoron, just a moron...

Your initial post:

"It seems that I will have take your post and your opinion below
with a grain of salt since they did not produce Malibu's in the
1980's as your post suggests. You may have been mad when you wrote
this and may have made a mistake....I understand."

Your attempt at a save (the lamest of all time):

"There was no (today's) Malibu in the 80's.......that is
correct......today's Malibu started in 1997 and had been an award
winning car ever since. You mentioned in your post your distaste
for the Malibu due to some experience you have had in the past with
"other" Malibus. You would be comparing Apples and Oranges in that
example and cannot state problems with cars 20 years ago and have
them relate to current models. It doesn't work that way....."

I look forward to your Christmas card. It falls on the 25th this
year.

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ummagumma said:

GM LEMONS

Reported and Web Produced by: John Matarese
Updated: 07/31/02 16:29:38

--> GENERAL MOTORS TODAY AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND
DOLLARS IN FINES... TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT OVER LEMON CARS.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BETTY MONTGOMERY SUED GM BACK IN APRIL, ACCUSING
THE AUTOMAKER OF FAILING TO LABEL RETURNED LEMON CARS AS "BUYBACKS."

THE SUIT SAID MORE THAN 20 OHIOANS BOUGHT USED GM CARS WITHOUT
BEING TOLD THEY WERE FORMER LEMONS THAT HAD BEEN BOUGHT BACK.

--> IF YOU'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED A USED GM CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
WORRY: EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THE LEMON CARS HAS BEEN
CONTACTED... AND IN SOME CASES GM BOUGHT BACK THE CARS.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU SUSPECT YOUR NEW CAR IS A LEMON...CONTACT YOUR
STATES ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.

mike vanderstelt said:

--
Mike V.
I've been a technician at a G.M. dealer for 23yrs. Some of the
vehicles now are way over 50k, and they have "recalls" all the
time. I listen to some of you bitching about "your being
inconvenienced" by Sony, for a problem "they knew" was there! ( I
paid bla,bla, money etc.) Ya know, short of 1, and I mean 1, recall
G.M. has had in 23yrs. They have NEVER (the same goes for almost
all other auto manufactureres) EVER, picked up your car/truck,
fixed it, and returned it to your home! Does ANYONE know ANY
buisiness that has done that on a mass scale? My God, the unsold
717's still on the shelf didn't even have time to get dusty, and
Sony is already repairing them! I say GREAT JOB SONY!!!!!!! for
rectifying a problem in a VERY timely fashion and going WAY OVER
the extra mile to accomidate your customers! I havn't lost one
ounce of faith in Sony!
As far as you FEW whiners out there that have been SO PUT OUT over
this, GROW UP!!!!!!! Maybe just for you few, Sony should shut their
doors in dishonor and shame, give you ALL there stocks, and buy you
a NIKON!!
After all-------- YOU HAD A BAD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everybody else-------------I LOVE YOU ALL!

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Lee280zx said:

Oh, come on. Quit trying to mind read. I'm not the least bit
angry. Incredulous yes, angry no.

Are you always this reluctant to admit you are wrong?

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bauerman said:

Bauerman

p.s. nice use of the caps lock...I like that!

ummagumma said:

GM LEMONS

Reported and Web Produced by: John Matarese
Updated: 07/31/02 16:29:38

--> GENERAL MOTORS TODAY AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND
DOLLARS IN FINES... TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT OVER LEMON CARS.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BETTY MONTGOMERY SUED GM BACK IN APRIL, ACCUSING
THE AUTOMAKER OF FAILING TO LABEL RETURNED LEMON CARS AS "BUYBACKS."

THE SUIT SAID MORE THAN 20 OHIOANS BOUGHT USED GM CARS WITHOUT
BEING TOLD THEY WERE FORMER LEMONS THAT HAD BEEN BOUGHT BACK.

--> IF YOU'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED A USED GM CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
WORRY: EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THE LEMON CARS HAS BEEN
CONTACTED... AND IN SOME CASES GM BOUGHT BACK THE CARS.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU SUSPECT YOUR NEW CAR IS A LEMON...CONTACT YOUR
STATES ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.

mike vanderstelt said:

--
Mike V.
I've been a technician at a G.M. dealer for 23yrs. Some of the
vehicles now are way over 50k, and they have "recalls" all the
time. I listen to some of you bitching about "your being
inconvenienced" by Sony, for a problem "they knew" was there! ( I
paid bla,bla, money etc.) Ya know, short of 1, and I mean 1, recall
G.M. has had in 23yrs. They have NEVER (the same goes for almost
all other auto manufactureres) EVER, picked up your car/truck,
fixed it, and returned it to your home! Does ANYONE know ANY
buisiness that has done that on a mass scale? My God, the unsold
717's still on the shelf didn't even have time to get dusty, and
Sony is already repairing them! I say GREAT JOB SONY!!!!!!! for
rectifying a problem in a VERY timely fashion and going WAY OVER
the extra mile to accomidate your customers! I havn't lost one
ounce of faith in Sony!
As far as you FEW whiners out there that have been SO PUT OUT over
this, GROW UP!!!!!!! Maybe just for you few, Sony should shut their
doors in dishonor and shame, give you ALL there stocks, and buy you
a NIKON!!
After all-------- YOU HAD A BAD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everybody else-------------I LOVE YOU ALL!

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Lee280zx said:

Now we've turned to good-natured humor to avoid admitting we were
wrong, eh?

I didn't call you a moron--you inferred that. I don't know nearly
enough about you to decide you are a moron. However, your
responses to my posts have certainly been sophomoric if not moronic.

The only anger in any of this is my anger at GM, and I have good
reason for that.

If you want to think I'm angry at you, that's fine. I'm not. I
just think it is really funny that you came back so strong and
sarcastic without even checking your facts. And then you can't
admit it!

But I must admit I've grown to admire your pig-headed stubbornness.

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bauerman said:

You meant for me to infer that.........you and I both know that.
You called my posts "lame" and now I am pig-headed stubborn. I
rule!

You have a real direct way of NOT calling me names! Excellent. I
also like it when you can get the word "sophomoric" into a
sentence...did you have a bet with someone that you could use that
today?

Lee...lets be done here...could this have less to do with cameras?
No! I made a simple post about the GREAT quality of the Chevrolet
Malibu of today and you posted that Malibus weren't good based on a
car that is over 20 years old......if you think that is the way to
go and that is a relevant comparison..great....we'll go with what
you said. All I know is Chevrolet did NOT make this Malibu in the
80's.....nuff said. Thanks for the entertainment at work today!
You have been a blast there tiger!

Bauerman

Lee280zx said:

Now we've turned to good-natured humor to avoid admitting we were
wrong, eh?

I didn't call you a moron--you inferred that. I don't know nearly
enough about you to decide you are a moron. However, your
responses to my posts have certainly been sophomoric if not moronic.

The only anger in any of this is my anger at GM, and I have good
reason for that.

If you want to think I'm angry at you, that's fine. I'm not. I
just think it is really funny that you came back so strong and
sarcastic without even checking your facts. And then you can't
admit it!

But I must admit I've grown to admire your pig-headed stubbornness.

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Akkers said:

Just as well I have never bought a GM product.

Here in the UK, we have consumer laws which demand that products
must work out of the box (they must perform the tasks they are sold
for when bought). Anything that does not work when bought goes
straight back to the retailers. No ifs or buts or recalls. Its a
bit difficult to excercise on cars but smaller items, no problems.

Listen, if a camera visits a repair workshop, its second-hand. Its
that plain simple. Why should we pay new prices for second-hand
goods?

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ummagumma said:

I really don’t care for any particular American automobiles
for several reasons. Let me paint the typical American auto with a
broad stroke: they lack design, they tend to all drive like a big
fat marshmallow (absolute no feel whatsoever), build quality is far
from good, the resale value is bloody awful – shall I
continue?

Nope, thanks very much I’ll stick with European and Japanese
cars any day.

bauerman said:

Bauerman

p.s. nice use of the caps lock...I like that!

ummagumma said:

GM LEMONS

Reported and Web Produced by: John Matarese
Updated: 07/31/02 16:29:38

--> GENERAL MOTORS TODAY AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND
DOLLARS IN FINES... TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT OVER LEMON CARS.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BETTY MONTGOMERY SUED GM BACK IN APRIL, ACCUSING
THE AUTOMAKER OF FAILING TO LABEL RETURNED LEMON CARS AS "BUYBACKS."

THE SUIT SAID MORE THAN 20 OHIOANS BOUGHT USED GM CARS WITHOUT
BEING TOLD THEY WERE FORMER LEMONS THAT HAD BEEN BOUGHT BACK.

--> IF YOU'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED A USED GM CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
WORRY: EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THE LEMON CARS HAS BEEN
CONTACTED... AND IN SOME CASES GM BOUGHT BACK THE CARS.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU SUSPECT YOUR NEW CAR IS A LEMON...CONTACT YOUR
STATES ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.

mike vanderstelt said:

--
Mike V.
I've been a technician at a G.M. dealer for 23yrs. Some of the
vehicles now are way over 50k, and they have "recalls" all the
time. I listen to some of you bitching about "your being
inconvenienced" by Sony, for a problem "they knew" was there! ( I
paid bla,bla, money etc.) Ya know, short of 1, and I mean 1, recall
G.M. has had in 23yrs. They have NEVER (the same goes for almost
all other auto manufactureres) EVER, picked up your car/truck,
fixed it, and returned it to your home! Does ANYONE know ANY
buisiness that has done that on a mass scale? My God, the unsold
717's still on the shelf didn't even have time to get dusty, and
Sony is already repairing them! I say GREAT JOB SONY!!!!!!! for
rectifying a problem in a VERY timely fashion and going WAY OVER
the extra mile to accomidate your customers! I havn't lost one
ounce of faith in Sony!
As far as you FEW whiners out there that have been SO PUT OUT over
this, GROW UP!!!!!!! Maybe just for you few, Sony should shut their
doors in dishonor and shame, give you ALL there stocks, and buy you
a NIKON!!
After all-------- YOU HAD A BAD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everybody else-------------I LOVE YOU ALL!

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bauerman said:

You meant for me to infer that.........you and I both know that.
You called my posts "lame" and now I am pig-headed stubborn. I
rule!

You have a real direct way of NOT calling me names! Excellent. I
also like it when you can get the word "sophomoric" into a
sentence...did you have a bet with someone that you could use that
today?

Lee...lets be done here...could this have less to do with cameras?
No! I made a simple post about the GREAT quality of the Chevrolet
Malibu of today and you posted that Malibus weren't good based on a
car that is over 20 years old......if you think that is the way to
go and that is a relevant comparison..great....we'll go with what
you said. All I know is Chevrolet did NOT make this Malibu in the
80's.....nuff said. Thanks for the entertainment at work today!
You have been a blast there tiger!

Bauerman

Lee280zx said:

Now we've turned to good-natured humor to avoid admitting we were
wrong, eh?

I didn't call you a moron--you inferred that. I don't know nearly
enough about you to decide you are a moron. However, your
responses to my posts have certainly been sophomoric if not moronic.

The only anger in any of this is my anger at GM, and I have good
reason for that.

If you want to think I'm angry at you, that's fine. I'm not. I
just think it is really funny that you came back so strong and
sarcastic without even checking your facts. And then you can't
admit it!

But I must admit I've grown to admire your pig-headed stubbornness.

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Vaughn T.Winfree said:

ummagumma said:

I really don’t care for any particular American automobiles
for several reasons. Let me paint the typical American auto with a
broad stroke: they lack design, they tend to all drive like a big
fat marshmallow (absolute no feel whatsoever), build quality is far
from good, the resale value is bloody awful – shall I
continue?

Nope, thanks very much I’ll stick with European and Japanese
cars any day.

bauerman said:

Bauerman

p.s. nice use of the caps lock...I like that!

ummagumma said:

GM LEMONS

Reported and Web Produced by: John Matarese
Updated: 07/31/02 16:29:38

--> GENERAL MOTORS TODAY AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN 100 THOUSAND
DOLLARS IN FINES... TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT OVER LEMON CARS.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BETTY MONTGOMERY SUED GM BACK IN APRIL, ACCUSING
THE AUTOMAKER OF FAILING TO LABEL RETURNED LEMON CARS AS "BUYBACKS."

THE SUIT SAID MORE THAN 20 OHIOANS BOUGHT USED GM CARS WITHOUT
BEING TOLD THEY WERE FORMER LEMONS THAT HAD BEEN BOUGHT BACK.

--> IF YOU'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED A USED GM CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
WORRY: EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT ONE OF THE LEMON CARS HAS BEEN
CONTACTED... AND IN SOME CASES GM BOUGHT BACK THE CARS.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU SUSPECT YOUR NEW CAR IS A LEMON...CONTACT YOUR
STATES ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE.

mike vanderstelt said:

--
Mike V.
I've been a technician at a G.M. dealer for 23yrs. Some of the
vehicles now are way over 50k, and they have "recalls" all the
time. I listen to some of you bitching about "your being
inconvenienced" by Sony, for a problem "they knew" was there! ( I
paid bla,bla, money etc.) Ya know, short of 1, and I mean 1, recall
G.M. has had in 23yrs. They have NEVER (the same goes for almost
all other auto manufactureres) EVER, picked up your car/truck,
fixed it, and returned it to your home! Does ANYONE know ANY
buisiness that has done that on a mass scale? My God, the unsold
717's still on the shelf didn't even have time to get dusty, and
Sony is already repairing them! I say GREAT JOB SONY!!!!!!! for
rectifying a problem in a VERY timely fashion and going WAY OVER
the extra mile to accomidate your customers! I havn't lost one
ounce of faith in Sony!
As far as you FEW whiners out there that have been SO PUT OUT over
this, GROW UP!!!!!!! Maybe just for you few, Sony should shut their
doors in dishonor and shame, give you ALL there stocks, and buy you
a NIKON!!
After all-------- YOU HAD A BAD DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

everybody else-------------I LOVE YOU ALL!

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--Soooooooo, what does whether you like GM ot NOT haver to do with
Mikes first post anyway.... Oh, thats right... He was talking about
Cry Babys!! Or something like that... Geessss.... Get over the 717
issue already!! Just my humble opinion... JUST GO OUT AND TAKE
PICTURES, AND HAVE FUN!! And yes I intended to use CAPS.. Hee,hee

God Love you ALL
Vaughn T. Winfree
Great Idea!!! Lets post informative issues!!! What a Concept!!!

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