A simple but effective light diffusor for direct flash?

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Hi All,

I purchased the Canon 580EX II Speedlight and was wondering if there are any recommendations for an attachable light diffusor for direct flash (when bouncing is not available). Thanks!

Mike
St. Louis
 
Simple and effective = Stofen Omnibounce
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Many would recommend a Gary Fong Lightsphere.

Personally, having made a DIY diffuser/reflector from this site -
http://super.nova.org/DPR//DIY01/

I highly recommend it. For well under $10 you have the accomplishment of having made one nice heck of a diffuser. I couldn't put up with the DIY stapled look You see in the article. I use a 3M spray glue.

I have 3 orders in for me to make additional diffusers for other photographers. Others who have seen them have been fooled into thinking they were a commercial product.
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Mike Dawson
 
Simple and effective = Stofen Omnibounce
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Thanks for the quick reply. This might sound stupid, but can I use the flash head pointed forward (no bounce) to improve results?
 
Here is the dpreview thread for another homemade reflector that should work a well as any similar commercial product.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1025&thread=37080983

drh681 mentioned the Stofen Omnibounce as another possibility.

These two types of diffusers work differently and will give different results.

Will Crockett of SmartShooter.com has a video, "Digital Exposure Control for Photographers and Videographers", which has a good section on what kinds of commercial direct flash diffusers are available and shows what each does.
 
You ask for something to "diffuse" the light in situations where there is no wall or celing for bounce.

By diffuse...do you mean "make the shadow edges softer rather than harder"?

If so, you need a LARGER effective light source ... relative to subject size...than the current flash head. Something that throws light in many directions (WHEN YOU STATED THERE WAS NO BOUNCE SURFACE AVAILABLE) is likely to be a WRONG solution for those situations.

The DIY referenced in Chuck Gardner's site is effective..and can be constructed many sizes.

A collapsible bounce surface can also be VERY handy, whether you have someone hold it in position or you hold with one hand and you shoot camera with other hand...flash amed at the diffuser / bounce surface. Some wedding pros call this "foofing" the flash.

The LARGER you can make the light source (relative to the subject), the softer more diffused it will be.

In a SMALLish room, things like the Gary Fong and similar attachments can throw light all around, and rely on bounce back from many directions to "soften" the shadows
 
Go to Hobby Lobby, Michaels Crafts store, WalMart and get the largest sheet of white "Fun Foam" you can buy... maybe 9"x14". costs about $1. Experiment with the template / cuts.

Or get some white posterboard tagboard and cut the same.

The cuts do not have to be precise!

Think OUTSIDE the catalogue to be successful
 
Thanks for the quick reply. This might sound stupid, but can I use the flash head pointed forward (no bounce) to improve results?
yes sort of, the instuctions call for the flash head to be half tilted toward the subject.

tilted straight on you lose a bit of light to the ground, and if you are using a short lens you may generate some flare.

The other things mentiond may be effective and cost effective.
but Stofen has the advantage in compactness, and simplicity of deplyment.

They also come in colors to match ambient lighting (gold and green for tungsten and flourescent) if maintaining a visual consitancy is important to your images; just set your WB to the abient, and attatch the proper color diffuser and go to work.

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I used this to great effect. The black foam "snoot."
http://neilvn.com/tangents/2009/06/07/throw-away-the-tupperware/

It costs $0.99 at any craft store, Walmart or Target for a 12"x18" sheet, and you just need to cut it down to 9"x12" for the purposes of directing your light.
Thanks for the quick reply. This might sound stupid, but can I use the flash head pointed forward (no bounce) to improve results?
yes sort of, the instuctions call for the flash head to be half tilted toward the subject.

tilted straight on you lose a bit of light to the ground, and if you are using a short lens you may generate some flare.

The other things mentiond may be effective and cost effective.
but Stofen has the advantage in compactness, and simplicity of deplyment.

They also come in colors to match ambient lighting (gold and green for tungsten and flourescent) if maintaining a visual consitancy is important to your images; just set your WB to the abient, and attatch the proper color diffuser and go to work.

--
Member of The Pet Rock Owners and Breeders Association
Boarding and Training at Reasonable Rates
Photons by the bag.
Gravitons no longer shipped outside US or Canada
-----.....------

if I mock you, it may be well deserved.
 
Diffusion = the scattering of light rays. Light can be direct or indirect. Objects/subjects can have a direct reflection or a diffused reflection. Diffusion will reduce direct reflections (specularity) and lower contrast. In this regard, it softens the characteristics of a small light source.

Soft Light - generally used to describe the transition from light to shadow. A fast transition is a hard(er) light source. A more gradual transition is a softer(er) light source. When defined this way, the larger the light source in relationship to the subject, the softer the light. And vice-versa.

So a Sto-fen diffuser will diffuse the light, which is to say it will lower contrast and reduce direct reflections, but at the cost of some power.
 
Think OUTSIDE the catalogue to be successful
I've made 4 or 5 diffuser-reflectors along the lines of Chuck's design (different surfaces and sizes) and I highly recommend them. Having done the experiments, I find the dimensions of Chuck's original template are hard to beat.

Definitely a worthwhile DIY project.

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Darrell
 
Simple and effective = Stofen Omnibounce
I love Stofen omnibounces. I always carry a couple of the gold and a couple of the green. But in this case, I have to disagree with your assessment.

The OP asked for "an attachable light diffusor for direct flash (when bouncing is not available)."

The name "Omnibounce" contains a valuable clue, when bouncing is not available, all it does is wastes power. It's too small to be an effective diffuser.

Some of the other folks who pointed out large "bounce card" solutions have the right idea. When you can't bounce, the only thing that makes light look better is making the light source bigger. 9x12 helps a lot at close range.

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Diffusion = the scattering of light rays. Light can be direct or indirect.
It can't be "indirect" because the OP said there's nothing around to scatter light.
Objects/subjects can have a direct reflection or a diffused reflection. Diffusion will reduce direct reflections (specularity) and lower contrast. In this regard, it softens the characteristics of a small light source.
A small light source is a small light source. It is specular, regardless of if you frost the lightbulb, which is all a Stofen or similar devices can do. There's no magic that lets a Stofen or a Gary Pong make light rays bend around in space and approach the subject from multiple angles.
Soft Light - generally used to describe the transition from light to shadow. A fast transition is a hard(er) light source. A more gradual transition is a softer(er) light source. When defined this way, the larger the light source in relationship to the subject, the softer the light. And vice-versa.
Exactly.
So a Sto-fen diffuser will diffuse the light, which is to say it will lower contrast and reduce direct reflections,
No, it won't, because it won't noticeably increase the size of the light in relation to the subject. The light source remains, effectively, a point.
but at the cost of some power.
Yup.

The "paddle" reflectors that others advocated are the way to go. Get the source at least 9-12 inches, and stay within 10 feet of the subject, and you'll begin to see softening.

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Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
Jo, I might suggest reading the book "Light: the Science and Magic". Or, do some simple tests within a controlled environment. Use a basketball if nothing else. Better yet, a wet basketball. Now take a picture using direct flash, no Sto-fen, no nothing. You can do it outdoors but do it when the flash is the principle/defining light source so as to better judge the characteristics of the light. We know that a direct, point light source is the least flattering light. Now add a Sto-fen diffuser to the flash and note the differences. You will have less contrast, less direct reflection (especially off the water). It really is that simple. Diffusion lowers contrast and direct reflections. It is easy enough to test. Of course at this point it is still a small light source, I'm not arguing that. But it will have an effect on the light characteristics.
There's no magic that lets a Stofen or a Gary Pong make light rays bend around in space and approach the subject from multiple angles.
I never claimed otherwise. So far as I know, even a 6' Larson softbox won't bend light.
So a Sto-fen diffuser will diffuse the light, which is to say it will lower contrast and reduce direct reflections,
No, it won't, because it won't noticeably increase the size of the light in relation to the subject. The light source remains, effectively, a point.
Jo, take a flashlight an point it at a baseball. Now put a thin sheet of white paper right over the flashlight. What happens? Diffusion. Less contrast. Less direct reflection. Take a beauty dish.... why do they make socks for beauty dishes? What effect do you think that sock has on the light characteristics? It certainly doesn't make it a larger light source!

The trick to all of this is in the definitions; which is why I defined my words!
 
Jo, I might suggest reading the book "Light: the Science and Magic".
Jon, I might suggest taking your own advice.
Or, do some simple tests within a controlled environment. Use a basketball if nothing else. Better yet, a wet basketball.
I don't know what your wet basketball fetish is, but I run experiments like this all the time with a nice Grennaker mannequin.
Now take a picture using direct flash, no Sto-fen, no nothing. You can do it outdoors but do it when the flash is the principle/defining light source so as to better judge the characteristics of the light. We know that a direct, point light source is the least flattering light. Now add a Sto-fen diffuser to the flash and note the differences.
I have done exactly that experiment before. And guess what, Jon?

There is no difference!

None at all. Not even with the slightly larger Gary Fong diffuser.
You will have less contrast, less direct reflection (especially off the water).
No, you won't. You will have absolutely zero difference. If you've done this experiment, and you've seen a difference, it's because you've screwed up metering the flash and you've got a different ratio of ambient to fill.
It really is that simple.
Yes, it really is, once you get past the concept of you being wrong about pretty much everything.
Diffusion lowers contrast and direct reflections.
Diffusion doesn't make the path of light rays change in mid air.
It is easy enough to test.
Yes, it is easy enough to test. You should try that, yourself, because you're making it pretty obvious that you haven't done the test.
Of course at this point it is still a small light source, I'm not arguing that. But it will have an effect on the light characteristics.
No, it really, really won't. Since you mentioned LS&M, draw a family of angles for something the size of the Sto-Fen at a normal shooting distance.
There's no magic that lets a Stofen or a Gary Pong make light rays bend around in space and approach the subject from multiple angles.
I never claimed otherwise.
You've claimed that there's an effect. An effect, without science to explain it, is magic.
So far as I know, even a 6' Larson softbox won't bend light.
So a Sto-fen diffuser will diffuse the light, which is to say it will lower contrast and reduce direct reflections,
No, it won't, because it won't noticeably increase the size of the light in relation to the subject. The light source remains, effectively, a point.
Jo, take a flashlight an point it at a baseball.
Now put a thin sheet of white paper right over the flashlight. What happens? Diffusion. Less contrast. Less direct reflection. Take a beauty dish.... why do they make socks for beauty dishes?
Because they're typically 18-30 inches in diameter, and they produce a highly collimated light.

Why don't they make socks for speedlights?
What effect do you think that sock has on the light characteristics? It certainly doesn't make it a larger light source!

The trick to all of this is in the definitions; which is why I defined my words!
But you defined your words incorrectly, in ways that people skilled in science of optics or the art of photography cannot agree with.

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Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
So many catalog / marketing solutions
that the masses flock to
when seeking the Holy Grail
Yet in practice all will fail
in some setting or another
for there is no simple tool
making photography easy for the fools

More sadly still
is the dilution of expectations for the craft
from the public getting snapshots
from snapshooters and crapshooters
with their bag of kit and not a clue.

Saddest of all is my skill
as a wordsmythie
peace and practice B4 we preach
 
So many catalog / marketing solutions
that the masses flock to
when seeking the Holy Grail
Yet in practice all will fail
in some setting or another
for there is no simple tool
making photography easy for the fools

More sadly still
is the dilution of expectations for the craft
from the public getting snapshots
from snapshooters and crapshooters
with their bag of kit and not a clue.

Saddest of all is my skill
as a wordsmythie
peace and practice B4 we preach
Agreed.

And are you taking over for aardvark7?

http://www.dpreview.com/members/3474184500

He's been posting in poetry all year. His signature says...
2010 : My new year's resolution - to be a year of poetry!
Almost over, and we'll miss it.

--
Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com
 
So many catalog / marketing solutions
that the masses flock to
when seeking the Holy Grail
Yet in practice all will fail
in some setting or another
for there is no simple tool
making photography easy for the fools

More sadly still
is the dilution of expectations for the craft
from the public getting snapshots
from snapshooters and crapshooters
with their bag of kit and not a clue.

Saddest of all is my skill
as a wordsmythie
peace and practice B4 we preach
yeah...

uh...

don't give up your photography job.

:)

guys simple and effective.

the only simpler device I've seen is that sock thingy; I've never used one so I dont know its effectiveness.

Given the added "nothing to bounce from" I switch my vote to the Lumiquest Softboxes.
I have nothing against DIY solutions, but I outgrew that phase.

If you are taking money for photography; spend some on your peripherals.
20 bucks is not going to blow your budget.

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Member of The Pet Rock Owners and Breeders Association
Boarding and Training at Reasonable Rates
Photons by the bag.
Gravitons no longer shipped outside US or Canada
-----.....------

if I mock you, it may be well deserved.
 
... The "paddle" reflectors that others advocated are the way to go. Get the source at least 9-12 inches, and stay within 10 feet of the subject, and you'll begin to see softening.
Another benefit of this type of modifier is that it acts like a flash bracket in moving the light source higher and further from the lens axis.
 

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