HS10 Birding

But I guess that it was more about criticizing Kim than saying anything pertinent or useful. Now, will you show some restraint, or will you continue to stir the pot.
Bill,

You need to up the anti in common sense. We all know that Silent and Kim have savage history between them....that's a fact.

So, for Kim to even come into a thread by Silent was a big no-no and threading on thin ice. His mere presence was going to stir the pot straight off the bat. Can't you even see that?
First, you're way off base suggesting that Kim or anyone else should avoid threads started by those sharing a contentious history. By that rule, S.O.'s previous enemies (Lloydy, Slides, Paul and others) wouldn't be permitted in her current threads. S.O. (IIRC) like others has said that she wouldn't reply to certain people. If she did that there would be no problem, and as Kim pointed out below, his reply didn't criticize S.O. Instead it praised her. If she takes offense at that, yes there's a problem. Can you see that?

So to criticize her images (weather he was correct or not) was obviously going to add fuel to the fire and be a big pot stirrer. To pin all the blame on Silent is totally unfair. Sometimes you have to use your loaf a little.
No, S.O. isn't entirely to blame. There are several others that aid and abet her. Can you guess who they are? I don't think that you'd have to exercise your loaf very much to know who I'm referring to. Unlike Kim, S.O. Lloydy, you and myself, they don't seem to ever contribute much other than leaping in to insult and attack. Another thing you seem to have missed is that while some exchanges depart from perfect etiquette, most of the "criticism" from one side is technical in nature, pointing out blown highlights, missed focus, etc. The criticism from the other side usually consists of mild insults at best, quite juvenile, but occasionally flaring up to 11 on the meter. An example of the former is a recent thread started by Lloydy showing (once again) that a Fuji P&S produced better results than a very good Nikon DSLR using an expensive lens. His images appeared to support this, but upon looking closely, I noticed that the DSLR image wasn't focused properly. Lloydy didn't acknowledge this and at this point I think that the thread was over for all practical purposes, but to his credit, he didn't reply as others on his side so often do, with insults and attacks intentionally trying to create trouble. ('Ooh, moderators, have you seen what someone is writing about you on their blog? Look at this, and this and this.') Unless you can see that things like this represent more serious problems, I'll think that your criticisms aren't, as Rupert's minions say, fair and balanced.

On this occasion, I don't think Kim did and what he got was sticking out a mile. Actually, it was quite mellow. So what did your honestly expect from Silent in reply to Kim's post giving their history...... a kiss on the cheek?
No. She should have shown what a true oracle would divine and divulge, silence!

As for asking for her to show restraint....in fairness, I think she did, considering the savage history that's involved. Bottom line.....I think she gave Kim a good answer to his critique. If he is expecting savage detail, he may have to look in the DSLR forum and maybe not expect it on a cheapie bridge cam. Actually to be fair, she even put me in my box with that one too.
We all know too well (or we should) that the HS10 can't compare with DSLRs for detail even though other Fujis can, such as the S100fs. But with the HS10's limitations it's always good to avoid using it less than optimally. Don't forget that any reply to S.O. or to anyone else isn't really a reply to just that person. The reply can be seen by anyone, and if they care about improving their own photography, and if the reply contains useful information, the forum isn't better served by putting people on a "Do Not Reply" list. How many dozens or hundreds of times have people here (most often from the same side) suggested using the [Ignore] button? I'd say that the ones complaining the loudest aren't following their own advice.

Now for some useful criticism, dump that LX5 for a Fuji and get a real camera. <g>
 
you know, i totally disrespect anybody that tries to cause trouble, and you of all people have absolutely no room to talk. everytime i see a post from kim, i see you respond to him with one of your, a fan, remarks. reminds me of a stalking movie where the cop is stalking the woman. you just can not control yourself and i see you post to kim everyday. are you not strong enough as a male to withstand those inner demons that are forcing you to post to him? man up dude and quit this childish stalking you are doing. he knows you are not some fan of his, and so do the rest of us. you are becoming as bad with your following his every post as he is with his desires to rule this forum.

men and their egos.
Baiting again are we Kim?? Your one sick puppy!!!
Jimbo88
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Thank you so much my friend! I really appreciate your kind comments. :-)
s.o. maybe you can get this guy to stop his insanity in following kim around like some twelve year old in heat. it really gets old seeing this clown post "a fan" comments like he is some sick stalker. i think they both deserve each other with their male egos.
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Your full name wouldn't be Debbie Renae Letkeman would it? Or perhaps a relative of Kims maybe?? You seem to have come out of the blue "ranting & raving" with the same unprovoked venomous attacks that he has against certain people.
I smell a rat!!

Cheers,
Jimbo88
 
Your full name wouldn't be Debbie Renae Letkeman would it? Or perhaps a relative of Kims maybe?? You seem to have come out of the blue "ranting & raving" with the same unprovoked venomous attacks that he has against certain people.
I smell a rat!!
Wow, you can dish it out but you can't take it. Time for a bath, maybe?
 
What you are suggesting here about Jim-Jimbo 68 is incredulous! Jim has simply been trying to settle down all the haggling in this thread and so have I! Sooo shot us both. It was simply time for everyone to try to get along for awhile and make peace at least for the Holiday Season. I honestly just think it is a reasonable time for more of us to work things out and do constructive comments. I have never known Jim to be anything but a gentleman in these threads!

My suggestion to You Debbie is to wake up and read the full context of this thread.

Both Jim and I care a lot for Lady Silent Oracle and it is apparent some folks got here to leave this forum when many of us feel she is very beneficial to the forum and kind.

Gary N W SFO
you know, i totally disrespect anybody that tries to cause trouble, and you of all people have absolutely no room to talk. everytime i see a post from kim, i see you respond to him with one of your, a fan, remarks. reminds me of a stalking movie where the cop is stalking the woman. you just can not control yourself and i see you post to kim everyday. are you not strong enough as a male to withstand those inner demons that are forcing you to post to him? man up dude and quit this childish stalking you are doing. he knows you are not some fan of his, and so do the rest of us. you are becoming as bad with your following his every post as he is with his desires to rule this forum.

men and their egos.
Baiting again are we Kim?? Your one sick puppy!!!
Jimbo88
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What you are suggesting here about Jim-Jimbo 68 is incredulous!
Actually, there are two jimbos operating on FTF ... 68 and 88 ... they seem to hail from different countries and yet have posted very similar comments in the past, making it difficult to believe that they are not the same person. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Jimbo68 is the one Debbie is targeting because he does in fact bait constantly with his obsequious and extremely juvenile series of "a fan" posts ... I've taken to ignoring him as he truly has nothing to contribute.

Jimbo88 just gets huffy now and again but is otherwise innocuous.
My suggestion to You Debbie is to wake up and read the full context of this thread.
I think you both need to look at which jimbo you are targeting ...
Both Jim and I care a lot for Lady Silent Oracle and it is apparent some folks got here to leave this forum when many of us feel she is very beneficial to the forum and kind.
No one is asking her to leave ... but she sure could use a chill pill now and again ... everything becomes an instant federal case these days ... it's plain silly any more ...

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Yup you would be correct. Yet whatever I said to Debbie was mean't by me to pertain to Jimbo68! I note though that I did not attack anyone here named Jimbo68 or 88. In fact it was the opposite. I was defending Jimbo any number against Debbie's bickering. Sort of reminded me of The Bickerson's radio show.

Thanks Kim for filling me in though. Gary N W SFO :)
It's not very often we can agree on things Kim.....but thankyou for setting the record straight.
Not a problem ... I don't like to see the wrong person attacked ...

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No one is asking her to leave ... but she sure could use a chill pill now and again ... everything becomes an instant federal case these days ... it's plain silly any more ...

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Who the Dickens appointed you, of all people, the arbiter of behaviour here? You obviously don't posess sufficient self-awareness to realise that your oh-so cafefully calculated jibes and forensically prepared put-downs are the main generators of conflict and angst here.

Andrew
 
Who the Dickens appointed you, of all people, the arbiter of behaviour here?
Who appointed you my nasty shadow? No one, to my knowledge ... but that does not seem to stop you.
You obviously don't posess sufficient self-awareness to realise that your oh-so cafefully calculated jibes and forensically prepared put-downs are the main generators of conflict and angst here.
You should look more carefully at your own posts and those of the rest of your pack before pointing fingers so gleefully at me.

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Stephen 06 wrote:

I thought that the OP was rather dignified especially in the second response to Kim.
Kim Letkeman wrote
And you will note that I took no issue with it.
........and you will note that I addressed this post to Bill, who did have an issue with the reply....so your point is?
The idea that some people are off limits because they might get mad is simply ludicrous to me. My comment did not criticize Silent's images ... it praised them -- both lighting and composition. She does know what she is doing and is willing to display it.
....ludicrous to you maybe....but not to the majority and not to the people who run the forum.

It's quite clear that Silent extremely dislikes you....to a point of nearly suffering a meltdown. She also stated she wanted no contact from you. The moderators wants no contact from you to people like Silent. But yet you insists on forcing yourself on he despite her wishes and more important, despite the mods wishes. But yet you seem to want to play the jilted ex-boyfriend trying to make up.....sorry Kim, but it's just not going to happen.

This action can only be seen as provocative and constant pestering to the majority of people including neutral observers.....despite the harmless content in your posts. If only you and Bil could see that, then it might add more harmony to the forum.
What I pointed out was a weakness with the HS10 that even Silent's skill could not overcome. The pack is invariably out of line in their overreactions these days, heavily augmented by the orbital entities that rush in to shout and scream and press the button, then swing back out into space until the next time
.......when a person wants no contact from you, and in particular when the mods insist on no contact from you.....then you are totally responsible for the button pressing.
And yes, I do use my "loaf" :-)
....wish I could have agreed here....but I honestly can't.
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But yet you seem to want to play the jilted ex-boyfriend trying to make up.....sorry Kim, but it's just not going to happen.
I actually thought you were above that sort of juvenile banter ...

I could not care any less about SO's meltdowns ... she was my best friend then she was my worst enemy ... same for Bill and even JB ... reverse that for Dave and Paul and Slides and a few others ...

Yawn .... histrionics are ultimately just embarrassing for everyone ...
This action can only be seen as provocative and constant pestering to the majority of people including neutral observers.....despite the harmless content in your posts. If only you and Bil could see that, then it might add more harmony to the forum.
Right ... the guys who do nothing but swipe are just being the "world police" ... and if you've seen the movie, then you know that the parallels are quite accurate ... two or three of them jump in here, bomb everything, and then run away assuming they are receiving accolades from the forum at large in their wake ... it's actually pretty funny ...
.......when a person wants no contact from you, and in particular when the mods insist on no contact from you.....then you are totally responsible for the button pressing.
She wants no "email" contact from me and I have complied. This is a public forum and there is no such thing as insisting on no contact. That is accomplished, according to the mods, by the "ignore" button ... and a little discipline ...
And yes, I do use my "loaf" :-)
....wish I could have agreed here....but I honestly can't.
As is your right.

And guess what ... it won't give me a meltdown. How about that?

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