★ Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 138, Dec/1/2010 ★

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Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We’re continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we’re convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography, and also useful for understanding and appreciating our gear.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images. Or vice versa: you give others your honest feedback, and in return deserve the right to post your own picture for C&C.

Generally, you should post only one single image for C&C. As an exception, you can post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a colour and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on.

TWO RULES:

1. If you post an image, you critique at least one other image.

2. Keep your comments honest but polite; if you don’t care for an image, try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.

Any style, any camera. It is a peer-to-peer photography workshop!

Feedback is guaranteed (for up to 48 hours after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

1. Turn on "Threaded view" and reply to this post with a web-sized image. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!

2. Get back to this thread in a minute, an hour or a day or so, and…

3. …still in threaded view, look at one or more pictures of your choice, click reply and critique it.

4. Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help

5. Image posters: please consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.

6. You are very welcome to post a group reply to the feedback you have gotten. This could include a new version of your image, taking on board the comments received. Please try not to reply individually to every comment so as not to fill up the thread on your own.

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:


-► The critique you give (point 3 from the above list) is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?

-► Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, colour balance, exposure. If the poster of the image does not object, you may even consider downloading his image and fiddling with it for real, to illustrate your point.

-► More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!

-► Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)

Here is last week's thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37005837

One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general, not image-specific musings about this great enterprise called the C&C Thread.

Another of the first replies includes a link to all previous threads. This is called "Our Archives Vault".

Best Regards,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
This is a placeholder for anything related to the C&C threads. And we do mean anything: feel free to start a discussion about the threads, or how you felt when your image was trashed by some mean know-it-all (probably not in this thread, though), or how it feels trying to say something polite about a cr @ ppy image posted for review (tough one).

This is also the place to make arrangements and share ideas for keeping this thread alive and kicking. Or for starting a new "Photo Essay" or "Series" thread, as has been suggested in the past (plenty of “Weekly” this-and-that threads around, so why not?).

The C&C group will be more than happy to consider all input.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
Here is the list of all recent editions of this wonderful experiment: our weekly exercise in ruthless peer-to-peer coaching for better photography; a refuge from gear discussions.

All threads of 2008: (Jonas started this thread on April 2, 2008)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=30596254

All threads of 2009:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=34168706

Recent editions:

Week 136 (November 17, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37005837

Week 136 (November 17, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36943204

Week 135 (November 10, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36879058

Week 134 (November 3, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36812965

Week 133 (October 27, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36748770

Week 132 (October 20, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36682235

Week 131 (October 13, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36612989

Week 130 (October 6, 2010 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36547303

Week 129 (September 29, 2010 – by Claus)
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Week 128 (September 22, 2010 – by Claus)
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Week 127 (September 15, 2010 – by Claus)
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Week 126 (September 8, 2010 – by Claus)
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Week 125 (September 1, 2010 – by Claus)
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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
For a project a friend of mine has started:



(Photo - recaptured from LCD - color treatment - frame)

Thanks for viewing & commenting,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
What I like to see, and what I would like to achieve in my own photos, is not something necessarily extraordinary, but at least something that is out of the ordinary. That's why I really enjoy seeing something like this. The graphic treatment that is not a natural look, but creates its own texture and color combination, the closeup point of view, one eye on a different vertical plane than the other, plus the openness of they eyes looking straight thru me as I look at them add comprise an image that is definitely out of the ordinary.
For a project a friend of mine has started:



(Photo - recaptured from LCD - color treatment - frame)

Thanks for viewing & commenting,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

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Redsox
http://www.blueridge.photoshare.co.nz
 
Finally gotten around to processing and uploading some of the images of our week in the Piemonte region (Italy), already more than a year ago (July 2009).

I wondered whether I would post one of the rural landscapes for your review, but I decided to go for something human.



(ZD7-14 on E-3, at 14mm, ISO800, 1/30 at F4)

The reason for use of the ZD7-14 and not a faster lens is I had just photographed the ceiling of that provincial church (in the town of Alba), when I noticed this scene.



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Roel Hendrickx

lots of images : http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com

my E-3 user field report from Tunisian Sahara: http://www.biofos.com/ukpsg/roel.html
 
Please get your series or essays organized for a well-filled thread of photographic stories (with or without verbal narrative, that is up to you).

I'm having a busy day tomorrow, but will try to start the thread sometime between 13.00 and 19.00 hours (Brussels timezone).

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Roel Hendrickx

lots of images : http://www.roelh.zenfolio.com

my E-3 user field report from Tunisian Sahara: http://www.biofos.com/ukpsg/roel.html
 
I noted the overall atmosphere of the fog in the waning darkness before sunrise, and wanted to catch and record the artificial light was coming through in that atmosphere.

e/3; zd14-54 (old version)@22mm; f/8; 1/25 sec; ISO200; CWmeter

the blockiness you can see in the sky as it transitions from magenta-gray to more solid gray does not exist in the hi-rez tiff of this image





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Redsox
http://www.blueridge.photoshare.co.nz
 
The most striking thing in this image is the expression- which has been captured well just thorough the eyes. well done.
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I think, so I exist.
 
Very nice image. the fog is well captured
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I think, so I exist.
 
Nice find, Roel,

and well executed.

I especially like the perspective and the part of the bench in the front - the (mundane) act of devotion seen from the point of view of a (mundane, since he's photographing) worshipper...

Cheers,

Claus.

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... when the photograph annihilates itself as medium to be no longer a sign but the thing itself...

 
I'm really not quite sure about this one, so I'm glad for any input on the crop, colours, light, weird bokeh, etc.

E-510 w/ ZD 50-20mm MkI (Exif intact)

Cheers
Christa



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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ch_cnb/
 
Hi Claus,

Without knowing what the project is, it's hard for me to say anything about the image. It's very far removed from a photograph and the look is intense. That's about it from me...

Cheers
Christa
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ch_cnb/
 
Hi Roel,

I like this image of the everyday care of a church: it's a good catch, and well-processed. One nit: I'm not sure if a bit more space on the left would've been better to move the subject off-center and not awkwardly cut off the light on the left (the chandelier on the right is cut off anyhow).

Cheers
Christa
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ch_cnb/
 
I would be interested to hear not only C&C of the image but also people's thoughts on the PP for this image. I have my own preference but it's always educational to hear others thoughts on the subject OR would you have done something else ie. sepia?

Thanks!

e510/40-150 @ 58mm, ISO100, f/7.1, 1/400 - B&W conversion done with Silver Efex Pro



 
It was well past the time of day where I would usually use the E-1 (light levels were VERY low), but I just had to have this shot. I like it a lot.





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Larry Lynch
Mystic, Connecticut

All over the world
Where ever you go
There, you are.
 
I think this is a great "found object" shot, and I'm glad you took the opportunity to shoot it.

I like it a lot.

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Larry Lynch
Mystic, Connecticut

All over the world
Where ever you go
There, you are.
 
Very different. The intense stare translates well and the PP is of course quite extreme - I find it difficult to comment because the treatment it so over the top although I will say that I like the black and brown tones but not the blue.
 

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