Kirk NC-300 Replacement Lens Collar for Nikon 300mm f/4 AF-S

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Hello

Does this lens have a built in shade?

This lens came out in 2006 and I am wondering if a new lens is on the way.

Do you recommend the Kirk NC-300 Replacement Lens Collar for Nikon 300mm f/4 AF-S

thank you

Dcik
 
Yes, the lens has a built in shade, and the Kirk collar is a big improvement over the original.

It's an exelent lens, but we are all waiting for a VR version. However: nobody knows if/when it will come.

Goodlight
Ranamo
 
Does this lens have a built in shade?

Yes, the lens hood is built in.
 
Hello

Does this lens have a built in shade?
Yes
This lens came out in 2006 and I am wondering if a new lens is on the way.
Who knows?
Do you recommend the Kirk NC-300 Replacement Lens Collar for Nikon 300mm f/4 AF-S
Yes. One thing to consider (that no one mentions) is that the Kirk uses an Arca Style Quick release on the head- so you'll either be putting an adapter on the NC-300 to lock to your tripod/Mono head, or buying a Arca-Style head.
thank you

Dcik
 
The Kirk Lens collar for my 300 f4 AFS was some of the best photography money I've spent. It is much more stable than the stock tripod collar, and the Arca-Swiss mount is a joy to use with the Markins ballhead.

The main difference that you'll notice with the Kirk collar is how much sharper your photos are when shooting tripod mounted at shutter speeds under 1/60 second.

David - a Colorado Nikonian
 
As A.Westreich mentions, you get two useful items with the Kirk collar :
the stable convenience of of the design, PLUS the Arca-Swiss fitting -
( which you might have to otherwise buy separately ).

Also, the 300 f/4 AF-S came out before 2000, I think. ( someone correct
me if i am wrong ) I have had mine for almost 10 years.

The Kirk collar seems like a chunk of cash which you should not have to
pay, but is well worth the investment. I am on the fence re a VR version
of the f/4. The lens produces such high quality images, that VR might add
too much cost without adding huge improvement.

VR would improve hand-held images, but when used with a monopod/tripod,
the lens is an unbeatable value.

Keith

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Does this lens have a built in shade?
Yes
This lens came out in 2006 and I am wondering if a new lens is on the way.
It is a much talked about lens so we'll probably get it one dy, but who knows when (and what it will cost)?
Do you recommend the Kirk NC-300 Replacement Lens Collar for Nikon 300mm f/4 AF-S
A definate 'yes' IF you use an Arca-Swiss style platform on your tripod. I actually converted my tripods and monopod to Arca-Swiss after buying the Kirk foot for this lens and loved it enough to buy the Kirk foot for the 70~200 VR and Wimberley plates for my Sigma 150mm macro and PN-11 extention tube.
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The lens is a 2002 introduction.

If you use good long lens technique no one has ever produced any evidence there is an advantage.
http://www.moosepeterson.com/techtips/longlens.html

I offered several hundred dollars for years to anybody who could demonstrate a difference compared to good LLT with the collar knob tightened.
I few tried for the money - but in the end all accepted defeat :)
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Leonard Shepherd

Practicing and thinking can do more for good photography than buying or consuming.
 
Yes. One thing to consider (that no one mentions) is that the Kirk uses an Arca Style Quick release on the head- so you'll either be putting an adapter on the NC-300 to lock to your tripod/Mono head, or buying a Arca-Style head.
Actually the Kirk collar also has a 1/4 x 20 threaded hole on the bottom, so you do not need an Arca Swiss compatible head to use it.
 
Actually the Kirk collar also has a 1/4 x 20 threaded hole on the bottom, so you do not need an Arca Swiss compatible head to use it.
True. I initially used mine like this but it adds another piece of hardware into the link -

Frankly, I agree with the poster above in that all the hardware in the world is probably not going to help you unless you use good technique.
 
I offered several hundred dollars for years to anybody who could demonstrate a difference compared to good LLT with the collar knob tightened.
I few tried for the money - but in the end all accepted defeat :)
I much prefer the Arca style foot as it is more solid and I can be totally confident it won't move. Even if I did demonstrate this in practise you would simply pass it off as poor technique. Your money is safe, but the Kirk foot is still a worthwhile upgrade.
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Pointless? It seems to me that you missed the points made by Bjorn Rorslett, Neil Rothschild and others in that thread.
Or did I?

Bjorn posted results with a long out of production MF zoom - hardly the same as the lens under discussion.

From memory Bjorn's original report showed less vibration with an N80 than with an f5 and less vibration with an f2.8 than an f4.

This result was consistent with vibration generated by the shutter (lower on the F80) than on the F5, and lower on the f2.8 which has more front element mass to absorb the shutter induced vibration pattern being the problem, not the collar.

Bjorn modified his comments later saying the original test was on a prototype with a different collar to the production version.
Turning to Neils link - I have corresponded with Neil previously.

On the 1/5 shots there is a lack of consistency with the 2 Nikon shots - but the better of 2 equals the Kirk.

On the 1/15 there is again a lack of consistency with the Nikon shots - 1 being equal to the Kirk - and 1 just ahead of the Kirk :)

Despite the testing inconsistency doubt, results are even overall at 1/5 and 1/15.
At 1/50 it is too close to call.

At 1/400 at first glance the Nikon appears weak - but with 2 stops under exposure (no way to test) it is not possible to differentiate between significant under exposure and collar resolution losses - except to observe 1/400 is within the safe hand holding ability of numerous photographers.

It seems I am correct - and it was you who did not read the old thread with an open mind :(

Moving on, back in the late 1970's Olympus introduced the concept of sharper results with a combination of f.5 300 or f6.3 400, a slightly flexible collar, and good LLT.

Nikon are doing no more than building on a technique that Olympus introduced to a then skeptical many and to a still skeptical few.

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Leonard Shepherd

Practicing and thinking can do more for good photography than buying or consuming.
 
Seems like somebody should be paying out the promised $500 after all...
Which thread?
The one in stevel54's message confirms my point - no Kirk advantage with LLT :)
It doesn't confirm it at all. Every time someone presents the evidence you pass it off as not using proper LLT. Well if the Nikon requires impeccable LLT and the Kirk doesn't that kind of proves the point in favour of the Kirk. There was also a thread included by Bjorn about how LLT can actually be detrimental when shutter speeds are just below 1/5th sec, but you left that unanswered.

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Pointless? It seems to me that you missed the points made by Bjorn Rorslett, Neil Rothschild and others in that thread.
Or did I?
You are just repeating the same countered arguments from the old thread.
Bjorn posted results with a long out of production MF zoom - hardly the same as the lens under discussion.
He stated he did test the 300/4 AFS. You must have missed this post by Bjorn:
Bjorn Rorslett wrote:

I specifically referred to 300/4 AFS vs 300/4.5 ED-IF. Now, guess which one consistently gets sharp images mounted on a tripod? There will be no reward paid for a correct guess. I have published comparison images before. You ridiculed my experiences. Now, you do the same with the very valid and thorough tests done by Neil Rotschild.
From memory Bjorn's original report showed less vibration with an N80 than with an f5 and less vibration with an f2.8 than an f4.

This result was consistent with vibration generated by the shutter (lower on the F80) than on the F5, and lower on the f2.8 which has more front element mass to absorb the shutter induced vibration pattern being the problem, not the collar.
I guess you missed this reply from Bjorn as well:
You have been spewing forth this nonsense for a few years now.Since I did also include the 300/4.5 in the comparisons, you ought to realise that the comparison was valid. The problem here is that you will never pay the "reward" since you will never accept that you were mistaken. I have had hundreds of e-mails from people experiencing similar issues. So there are better ways of wasting one's time. Keep your money.
Bjorn modified his comments later saying the original test was on a prototype with a different collar to the production version.
This doesn't necessarily invalidate his findings. Can you supply a link? Why didn't you mention this in the original thread when he had a chance to respond. You have a tendency to introduce facts out of context to support your view or leave out other pertinent points that don't support your view.
Turning to Neils link - I have corresponded with Neil previously.

On the 1/5 shots there is a lack of consistency with the 2 Nikon shots - but the better of 2 equals the Kirk.
The lack of consistency with LLT is the point!

Besides, to my eye, in a side by side comparison of the 1/5s shots the worst of the Turk collared LLT photos looks slightly better than the best Nikon collared LLT photo. There's no comparison with the self-timer shots.
On the 1/15 there is again a lack of consistency with the Nikon shots - 1 being equal to the Kirk - and 1 just ahead of the Kirk :)
You and I must be looking at different photos, because of the 1/15s group the Kirk LLT shots are all better than the Nikon collared LLT shots.
It seems I am correct - and it was you who did not read the old thread with an open mind :(
Moving on, back in the late 1970's Olympus introduced the concept of sharper results with a combination of f.5 300 or f6.3 400, a slightly flexible collar, and good LLT.

Nikon are doing no more than building on a technique that Olympus introduced to a then skeptical many and to a still skeptical few.
Leonard, One has to have a really "open" mind to think that a more flexible tripod collar will result in sharper images at slow shutter speeds. Were you by chance part of that Olympus marketing team?

Steve
 

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