tbcass
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I want total control over iso and never want the camera to chose it for me.
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Can we have auto ISO in manual mode please Sony.
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Tom
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Nordstjernen
Veteran Member
Agree! Manual mode should be 100 % maunal!!!
Mike Boreham
Senior Member
You completely misunderstand.
See my example earlier in the thread.
P mode doesn't do it.
No dispute that that sometimes you want want to be in control of everything, but in fast moving changing light situations, manual everything is not practical, and the manual with auto ISO is needed.
On reflection I see the problem is with terminology here. For some people Manual can only mean absolutely everything is manual. Fair enough, I don't mind what the missing mode is called. Perhaps "AS priority" mode would be good. But it doesn't need a new control dial, only enabling the OPTION (caps for emphasis) to use auto ISO with the control dial in manual. Nikon still calls it manual.
JasperD
Senior Member
So just don´t select it, it´s as simple as that...
JasperD
Senior Member
When you have to pick something from a list, it´s still manual even if the pick says ´auto´... Please don´t deny other users what you would discard, and can easily continue to do if it was implemented.
Pentax calls it "TAv" mode, which would require another notch on the mode dial. Simpler to just enable auto in M mode. And who the hell really cares what it's called? Just give us the functionality.
I find myself wanting this mode a lot when I use flash with color gel, and try to mix in ambient light. The 'slow sync' button is utterly useless for this since you can't specify a minimum shutter speed.
I find myself wanting this mode a lot when I use flash with color gel, and try to mix in ambient light. The 'slow sync' button is utterly useless for this since you can't specify a minimum shutter speed.
I like it when light is limited. Set aperture for DOF, shutter speed to slowest adequate for the subject and hand shake, and the camera will automatically set the ISO for the combination.
Any other mode and you have to keep fiddling to get what you want.
I agree the most efficient way to do it is to allow autoiso in M, but a mode position is fine too, just give me the function.
It is only firmware, why be stingy?
Any other mode and you have to keep fiddling to get what you want.
I agree the most efficient way to do it is to allow autoiso in M, but a mode position is fine too, just give me the function.
It is only firmware, why be stingy?
Well said.
I think the best place for this as a firmware update would be in Manual mode. Just add a setup menu option to "Allow Auto ISO in Manual Mode." This adds a great feature to the camera, and makes up for some of the short comings of the P mode.
Yes. And if the shortcoming you are referring to is Program Shift, maybe Sony can put that back in while they are at it.
I don't have a problem with Sony adding auto ISO to manual -- IF they also start showing ISO in the VF. If they do without it, the first thing that will happen is people will start complaining because they cannot adjust the camera in manual mode to give them a set under or over exposure, without setting exp comp. Make it complex enough and you are bound to start forgetting things and screwing things up.
Any new camera should have a separate mode for TAV and auto ISO.
tom
Any new camera should have a separate mode for TAV and auto ISO.
tom
How much is ISO allowed to vary. Once you start going over ISO400, images can start getting somewhat noisy (yes you can go higher with some amount of noise - maybe acceptable, maybe not.) So that would allow ISO 100 - 400 which is a 2 stop range. If you shoot raw, set it on ISO 200 and deal with + - 1 stop in PP. Even Jpeg can handle this. Or if you want higher ISO, set your ISO to minimize underexposure at the extreme and again fix it in PP.
In M-mode you can watch the needle and know if you under/overexposing too much, and the modern cameras are much more tolerant of misexposure.
If you want to use the whole range of available ISOs that's different, but you could also call that variable IQ mode.
Again, I think Sony should add a new mode to the dial that lets you set S and A while the camera sets ISO. But it is an auto mode and shouldn't be added to M (or they should add a new mode to the dial called RM -- Really Manual.)
tom
In M-mode you can watch the needle and know if you under/overexposing too much, and the modern cameras are much more tolerant of misexposure.
If you want to use the whole range of available ISOs that's different, but you could also call that variable IQ mode.
Again, I think Sony should add a new mode to the dial that lets you set S and A while the camera sets ISO. But it is an auto mode and shouldn't be added to M (or they should add a new mode to the dial called RM -- Really Manual.)
tom
fjbyrne
Veteran Member
I completely agree that we need a mode as you state above. However some people get touchy calling it manual mode. So I have just started calling it AS mode - I set the Aperture and Shutter speed and the camera selects the ISO.
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mgs315
Well-known member
And I want a camera that can do auto ISO when allowing me to pick aperture and shutter speed. Through the magic of firmware that allows us to set up the camera to our tastes, we can both be happy right?
These 2 additions to the firmware of my A33 would make the camera perfect in my eyes. If they add the option for Auto ISO and leave it off as standard, those that wish to choose their ISO can do, whereas people like me who don't really care much (as long as it doesn't look noisy) as long I can choose shutter speed and aperture
. Maybe it's cause I keep forgetting the change the ISO 
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Lucas_
Senior Member
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Right! Manual mode is "M" and it's all ( A,S, ISO... ) manually selected, what you guys want is another semi-auto mode, or "AS" as suggested!
It should be an easy to develop feature.
... Lucas
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JasperD
Senior Member
If that reasoning holds water, the same arguments should lead to stripping the ISO values other than Auto from A and S modes methinks... so we´d need even more options on the mode dial. What a funny way to overcomplicate a simple issue, especially as it seems already there, though inactive! Of course, the same would make the older gear unavailable to it, as we lack that hard provision. Not that I expect it, but for the sake of argument. Not to mention that I expect someone switching to M to be fully aware of the settings he has to pick - all of them, even Auto ISO.
Besides, other well known camera brands have it all wrong? Come on...
Besides, other well known camera brands have it all wrong? Come on...
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