Canon 1Ds price too high? Nope.

I have no idea what the cost of mfg. is for either D60 or 1Ds, but if I was Canon, I would factor in the madness surrounding the D60 (including the prices on eBay vs retail). At the price they set, demand has far exceeded supply or so it would seem.

Canon is probably wishing they'd priced the D60 higher. If I was the decision maker, I'd probably put the price at the high end and see how it sells. You can always play "good guy" and make a dramatic price cut later.

Mr Reichmann, I beg to differ. Your view was Canon's "credibility" was at stake. You did in fact post this and insinuated unless the price was signifcantly lowered there was something amiss. Now you are accusing people who wonder about the pricing of being childish and immature. I am just wondering what has caused you to change your stance? I assume that is how one defines back tracking. I am just curious why your tone has changed on this issue.

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Mike
http://www.phototracks.net

Rally in the streets! Boycott! Strike! Go on the Jerry Springer Show and scream out our outrage!!!

How DARE Canon charge such a high price for the 1Ds? They are ripping us off, for sure! We are being victimized by Canon!

Say, while I'm on the subject, toss in the following:

Leica rangefinder and lenses!
Hasselblad medium format cameras and lenses!
Any equipment bearing the name Carl Zeiss!

Oh, right, this is a digital photography forum . . .

Contax . .
Imacon . . .
Kodak Professional DCS Pro Back Plus Digital Camera Back . . .

just to name a few . . . they ALL charge too much!

ha, ha, ha . . .

While I enjoy the useful information found on these forums, arguments such as the current crop of outrage against the price of the EOS 1Ds do nothing to enlighten or educate. Such arguments will certainly have no impact on Canon's marketing plan. But, we live in America where we have the freedom to voice our opinions. And thank God for that.

Sure, I was disappointed with the price announcement. But I got over it.

Oh, yeah, we also have the freedom to be victims. I'll take a pass on that one, thank you.

Michael

redman said:

For years Nikon has been charging MORE for their lenses (and
bodies) than Canon. Anyone doubt that Canon lenses are not as
good? Forget about IS leadership. Just craftsmanship and optical
quality. I don't hear anyone giving Canon credit for being "under
market". But if a body comes out at a price that seems
unreasonable (compared to what?) listen to the screams. I have
owned a Kodak 660 and 760. Batteries cause more grief that those
cameras were worth. And talk about "service"? How much were they?
Too much.

The 1D is a wonderful camera. The price isn't questioned because
there is NOTHING else to compare it to. Ever look into the photo
pit at any sporting event? Nikon does NOT have a pro 11-14
megapixel camera to compare to the 1Ds, so why guess what they will
sell it for. The new Kodak is the 1st camera they have ever sold
for a "reasonable" price. But who wants to buy it? All I hear is
"I'll wait for the next Nikon". Good luck. Next summer those of
us who bought a 1Ds will have shot and worn out our Canons. If you
shoot to make money, one can't afford to sit on the sidelines. If
you shoot for fun, the D100, D60, Fuji make a lot of sense.

I can't wait to get my hands on a new 1Ds. I'm losing sleep
waiting. Sure it is expensive. But imagine how ticked off you
would be if they charged $4000 and you had to wait 2 years to get
one.

http://www.jannard.com

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Spoken bt a rich man, you know what they say? "a fool and his money are soon parted"

--
Dave C

...of words. You're just wrong. You're entitled to say it forever, but you're still wrong. English is the only language I speak, and I pride myself on communicating clearly. Canon's pricing is NOT a rip-off and it's not thievery.

And telling you you're wrong is NOT the same as telling you to sit down and shut up. Don't put words in my mouth.

--
http://community.webshots.com/user/jeffreybehr

...for a new 1Ds is a rich man or a fool? Hardly. He/she is someone who wants to buy the best 35mm-frame DSLR that money can buy right now. It doesn't matter if the decision is mostly emotional or done with Return-on-Investment calcs in a spreadsheet.

I'll have one soon, and I'm not a fool, nor am I rich. I'm just a fotografer (retired 4 years ago from a real job) with a bunch of expensive-and-excellent Canon lenses, 2 D60s, and a desire to have that best DSLR.

--
http://community.webshots.com/user/jeffreybehr

Jeffrey Behr said:

And telling you you're wrong is NOT the same as telling you to sit
down and shut up. Don't put words in my mouth.

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No it isn't but using this type of language is:

Member said:

Thomas. Stefan doeesn't have problems with the English language, you > do.

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Now you can pretend that isn't telling someone to sit down and shut up but that's all you're going to be doing.

Give it a rest.

Canon is ripping people off in their pricing of the 1Ds. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. If you want to pay the price they're asking, that's fine. If I think Stefan has problems with the usage of the English by others when not used in a manner he sees fit, that is also is my right. Controlling people are the first to say they're not controlling.

Let me put it too you in a pithy way..... "Go control someone else!" From here you're only going to prove my point.

Thomas Gardner said:

laupi said:

I guess there are just to many people in this forum who can not
understand that this camera is simply not made for them...

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And there are those that can't see when they're being ripped off.

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If you choose not to buy it, how can you claim to be getting "ripped off"?

If you choose to buy it and you're satisfied with what you received for the price you voluntarily paid, how can you claim to be getting "ripped off"?

Of course you can't. Clearly the only people who claim that Canon is "ripping them off" are people are stewing over the fact that they see something they want in the store window and can't deal with the fact that they can't afford it, but someone else can.

At any time, someone, someplace, is having more fun than you are. And that's OK. Deal with it.

Andy Frazer
http://www.gorillasites.com

andyfrazer said:

If you choose not to buy it, how can you claim to be getting
"ripped off"?

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It's called being duped. I guess you've missed all the business people going to jail because they duped their investors.

andyfrazer said:

If you choose to buy it and you're satisfied with what you received
for the price you voluntarily paid, how can you claim to be getting
"ripped off"?

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Me, I won't be running right out and buying this camera and I could easily pay cash for it today from several, in the money accounts.

andyfrazer said:

Of course you can't. Clearly the only people who claim that Canon
is "ripping them off" are people are stewing over the fact that
they see something they want in the store window and can't deal
with the fact that they can't afford it, but someone else can.

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Again, I can afford this camera. But I know a rip off when I read of one and I'm speaking up. Now if someone want's to ignore my comments that's fine but I don't see why you're getting your shorts in a bunch because I perceive the pricing of the 1Ds a rip off.

andyfrazer said:

At any time, someone, someplace, is having more fun than you are.
And that's OK.

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Nope, I having a great time right where I'm at. Watching a kicking football game, 49er's and Raiders. Now I will be ticked if the Niner's lose

Now the real question, are you one of the people that's going to buy this camera? One disenter to my comments has already announced that he want's to buy one of these over priced camera bodies.

The truth, nobody wants to believe they paid too much for anything and I think that's what's happening here. That's why I ask if you're going to be buying one of the 1Ds's right out of the gate?

If you or other's want to pay the price for this body, that's fine. But personally I think you're paying way too much.

...do you Thomas?

Cheating or duping is NOT the same as asking a price that's higher than you think is fair. Lots of us think the the price is NOT unfair altho we'd like it to be lower.

But the point is that it's NOT a ripoff if the buyer and the seller agree on a price, no matter how too-high you think that price is. You simply continue to accuse Canon of some wrongdoing they're not guilty of.

--
http://community.webshots.com/user/jeffreybehr

Jeffrey Behr said:

But the point is that it's NOT a ripoff if the buyer and the seller
agree on a price, no matter how too-high you think that price is.
You simply continue to accuse Canon of some wrongdoing they're not
guilty of.

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You don't know that, just like I don't. That's why I posted that this was my opinion. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of duping the unsupecting. I don't understand why you want to hush me up but that's what you're trying to do.

Enjoy your 1Ds when you get it.

canon is setting the price too low, they should set the price over $80k or $800k, cos there still alot of folk think it is worth it. jesus

redman said:

For years Nikon has been charging MORE for their lenses (and
bodies) than Canon. Anyone doubt that Canon lenses are not as
good? Forget about IS leadership. Just craftsmanship and optical
quality. I don't hear anyone giving Canon credit for being "under
market". But if a body comes out at a price that seems
unreasonable (compared to what?) listen to the screams. I have
owned a Kodak 660 and 760. Batteries cause more grief that those
cameras were worth. And talk about "service"? How much were they?
Too much.

The 1D is a wonderful camera. The price isn't questioned because
there is NOTHING else to compare it to. Ever look into the photo
pit at any sporting event? Nikon does NOT have a pro 11-14
megapixel camera to compare to the 1Ds, so why guess what they will
sell it for. The new Kodak is the 1st camera they have ever sold
for a "reasonable" price. But who wants to buy it? All I hear is
"I'll wait for the next Nikon". Good luck. Next summer those of
us who bought a 1Ds will have shot and worn out our Canons. If you
shoot to make money, one can't afford to sit on the sidelines. If
you shoot for fun, the D100, D60, Fuji make a lot of sense.

I can't wait to get my hands on a new 1Ds. I'm losing sleep
waiting. Sure it is expensive. But imagine how ticked off you
would be if they charged $4000 and you had to wait 2 years to get
one.

http://www.jannard.com

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Nope. $8000 is about right.

There are 3 kinds of camera customers. Professional, enthusiasts with enough money to buy this camera, and enthusiasts that will complain that it costs too much. Which two do you think Canon is targeting? Make no mistake, there are great photographers in each catagory. I've seen some terrific work posted with a Canon G1. But the 1Ds is designed for the working Pro who needs the very best. The guys who bill for their work. And are thrilled not to have to carry around a 2 1/4, process film, scan, etc. They are the guys who spend $6,000 on one lens. And don't think about it. The versatility offered by this camera- 2 1/4 quality, lens selection at great prices (comparitively speaking), makes this camera an answer to every Pro Canon shooter's dream. And they will still carry their 1D for high speed stuff.

Not everything Canon makes is intended for the masses. They do a pretty good job of covering that territory- just not with this camera.

All of us know that there will be plenty of 11-14 megapixel DSLR cameras at reasonable prices in the future. The Pro won't wait. He can't. And Canon will satisfy the rest with an "almost" version in the future.

For additional reference, the Kodak Contax/Mamiya 16 megapixel back is $10,000 (just the back). When you crop 2x3, it becomes a heavy, slow working, hard to view (either camera body), expensive lens, 11 megapixel system. By comparison, the Canon seems cheap.

Nikon Pros are complaining that they can't get one, not how expensive it is.

Browning said:

canon is setting the price too low, they should set the price over
$80k or $800k, cos there still alot of folk think it is worth it.
jesus

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Would all the people who are not happy with the price please go and buy a Kodak...... It will clear up this forum for some Canon SLR talk.....

boo hoo..... it costs too much.... well don't buy it, put your money where your talk is and buy something else........ Or wait and buy second hand. Or wait until the 22MP one comes out at $11,000 (but to be ironic it'll probably cost $6,000.. hehe)

Rob Martin said:

Would all the people who are not happy with the price please go and
buy a Kodak...... It will clear up this forum for some Canon SLR
talk.....

boo hoo..... it costs too much.... well don't buy it, put your
money where your talk is and buy something else........ Or wait and
buy second hand. Or wait until the 22MP one comes out at $11,000
(but to be ironic it'll probably cost $6,000.. hehe)

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For photokina 2004, my upgrade from D60, and my dream real camera for landscapes

Hi all,

Why is the 1Ds $8000? Canon knows what they are selling- a top shelf COMMERCIAL imaging tool meant for people who are placing the heaviest of professional demands on their gear.

It's a tool that adds considerable commercial value for the working pro.

Undoubtably, the pros who buy it will think of all sorts of new markets they can attack armed with such a supreme tool. A talented pro could do pretty much any kind of work with the 1Ds and offer a very high quality finished product.

Not only that, both the professional photographer and their clients will benefit commercially from the considerable productivity advantages of the digital workflow.

The 11MP resolution means that many pro photographers will now be spared from paying the massive prices of the Pro backs to get very high resolution digital images.

Canon has decided to make them pay top dollar for it. Not very surprisingly.

Yep, the Canon 1Ds is meant for pros- pure and simple. It's meant for people who are running a business. Sure $8K is alot as a set-up or ongoing cost, but compare that to setting up any other kind of business- graphic design studio? bakery? dental surgery?- you would be looking at a great deal more in many cases. Veiwed from that perspective, the 1Ds is reasonably priced- even with a decent set of L lenses and a fast laptop thrown in.

The people who wanted it for the sheer fun of using or actually owning one can't justify the expense, but it's clear that Canon didn't even consider that.

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Andrew McGregor

Website

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jim jannard said:

Nope. $8000 is about right.

There are 3 kinds of camera customers. Professional, enthusiasts
with enough money to buy this camera, and enthusiasts that will
complain that it costs too much.

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[pedant]
Arguably that's only TWO kinds of CUSTOMER
[ pedant]

$8000 is right if it's the price that the first ones off the production line will sell for. That massive sensor is extremely difficult to produce reliably, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that sensor yields are what limits the number of 1DS's that leave the factory. The price won't enter the equation.

Further down the line, yields will improve (as they usually do), and then we might see the price start to creep down - provided that sales at $8k have actually slowed. Hopefully by then the knowledge gained about producing large sensors will make it possible to bring out a more wallet-friendly model anyway. Personally I doubt I'll ever buy a 1DS, but I probably will buy something like a digital EOS 30.

Hmm.... I wonder what they might call it?

A.

Thomas Gardner said:

Jeffrey Behr said:

But the point is that it's NOT a ripoff if the buyer and the seller
agree on a price, no matter how too-high you think that price is.
You simply continue to accuse Canon of some wrongdoing they're not
guilty of.

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You don't know that, just like I don't. That's why I posted that
this was my opinion. Apparently you don't understand the meaning
of duping the unsupecting. I don't understand why you want to hush
me up but that's what you're trying to do.

Enjoy your 1Ds when you get it.

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--
D60, Sigma 14/2.8, Canon 16-35/2.8L, 50.1.4,
28-70/2.8L, 85/1.2L, 70-200 IS USM

Paying the cheapest price for stuff is the most important thing in life! Next, is to ridicule those who buy and sell stuff at more than I think it's worth as fools and thieves. Photography pales before this hobby.

Tom Melanson said:

Re: Dupe:"to deceive, trick or cheat" (Webster's Unabridged)(nt)

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And we all know that large international corporations would NEVER try and to that