Ilford Gallerie classic or smooth for canon s820?

I've seen many recommendations on the forum of Ilford Gallerie paper for use with Canon printers. I'm just about to place an order for some, but don't know whether to get the Classic or Smooth.

Looking at Ilford's web site they are very different papers. Does anyone have a reccomendation on which I should buy - they are both the same price.

Tim

Classic is designed to resist fading, drying time is much longer than most papers

Smooth is a 'normal' fast-drying inkjet paper

i use Classic with the canon s9000, it took a while to find the best print settings and to create a profile, having done this the results are excelllent

dprevlogin said:

Classic is designed to resist fading, drying time is much longer
than most papers

Smooth is a 'normal' fast-drying inkjet paper

i use Classic with the canon s9000, it took a while to find the
best print settings and to create a profile, having done this the
results are excelllent

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hi

i dont suppose you could mail me your profiles and a how to use them note .
i use ilford galerie classic gloss paper


im just curious to see if they are gonna make my prints even better than they are now.

im not lazy,im just a n00b

thanks in advance
matt

deadcalm said:

dprevlogin said:

Classic is designed to resist fading, drying time is much longer
than most papers

Smooth is a 'normal' fast-drying inkjet paper

i use Classic with the canon s9000, it took a while to find the
best print settings and to create a profile, having done this the
results are excelllent

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hi

i dont suppose you could mail me your profiles and a how to use
them note .
i use ilford galerie classic gloss paper


im just curious to see if they are gonna make my prints even better
than they are now.

im not lazy,im just a n00b

thanks in advance
matt

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sorry i forgot to say i am an s 9000 owner

the profiles are generated by profile prism, the terms of use do not allow sharing profies except via the prism ftp site

if you want to try the effect of different profiles there is an igc pearl profile publically available at http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm i've seen feedback from people saying it was ok with igc gloss too

if you are getting results that look ok, then using a 'third party' profile may not help... from some testing i did with another s9000 user and from info from other people it seems that there can be significant variations between these printers, some give a green cast on many papers (mine does), while others did not, so if we swapped profiles the results were very poor

this could also be due to differences in the print drivers, i'm using the mac osx driver version 1.5.0, i know pc users have reported that colour varies across different driver versions

but the only right profile for your printer/paper is one that is custom made for it, as well as the printer i've got the scanner and display profiled, this is what gives the overall accuracy

the profile prism software is not expensive, $69, so if you have a scanner i recommend trying it for yourself, it can also profile scanners and cameras, there is a 30-day money-back guarantee, you can find out more info here... http://www.ddisoftware.com/prism/ once you are a licensed user you get access to profiles of their ftp site too

dprevlogin said:

Classic is designed to resist fading, drying time is much longer
than most papers

Smooth is a 'normal' fast-drying inkjet paper

i use Classic with the canon s9000, it took a while to find the
best print settings and to create a profile, having done this the
results are excelllent

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could you please give me the correct settings for classic and s9000
what settings do you use in photoshop
I am downloading files from my canon d60

jonny707 said:

could you please give me the correct settings for classic and s9000
what settings do you use in photoshop
I am downloading files from my canon d60

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other than selecting the custom profile i use the driver setting i'm using (for gloss and for pearl) is the "photo paper plus glossy" setting, at the highest quality setting

ilford suggest the "high gloss photo film" setting for pearl, but this is not selectable in all paper sizes in canon's osx driver

the paper is slow drying, so allow at least a couple of hours before assessing colour by eye, the canon inks do not stabilise for quite a long time, taking measurements i've found that it is best to allow 2 days after printing profile targets before scanning them

if you are not using a custom profile for the paper then in photoshop set the print profile to the same as the working space profile (in effect this stops phooshop carrying out print colour management)

then in the canon driver use their 'bj standard' colour setting, avoid using the vivid colour settings or similar effects

if this gives good results then great, but if you find you get a green/other colour cast then you'll need to either try manually adjusting colour (tricky) or create a custom profile

dprevlogin said:

dprevlogin said:

could you please give me the correct settings for classic and s9000
what settings do you use in photoshop
I am downloading files from my canon d60

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other than selecting the custom profile i use the driver setting
i'm using (for gloss and for pearl) is the "photo paper plus
glossy" setting, at the highest quality setting

ilford suggest the "high gloss photo film" setting for pearl, but
this is not selectable in all paper sizes in canon's osx driver

the paper is slow drying, so allow at least a couple of hours
before assessing colour by eye, the canon inks do not stabilise for
quite a long time, taking measurements i've found that it is best
to allow 2 days after printing profile targets before scanning them

if you are not using a custom profile for the paper then in
photoshop set the print profile to the same as the working space
profile (in effect this stops phooshop carrying out print colour
management)

then in the canon driver use their 'bj standard' colour setting,
avoid using the vivid colour settings or similar effects

if this gives good results then great, but if you find you get a
green/other colour cast then you'll need to either try manually
adjusting colour (tricky) or create a custom profile

ok thanks for your advice

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but i cannot afford a scanner for photoprism right now,i kinda blew all meh money on a camera and printer

so ile just have to wait till next year when i can afford to buy them

Many thanks for the info. I'll go ahead and order the classic.

The s820/win XP driver also places restrictions on what you can print using the "high gloss photo film". It doesn't allow borderless for example. I'll definitely try "photo paper plus glossy".

Incidentally, has anyone tried the Ilford classic with the 'selectafont' ink. After reading peoples comments about their ink, I'm rather taken with the idea of cheap ink refills.

Tim

dprevlogin said:

dprevlogin said:

could you please give me the correct settings for classic and s9000
what settings do you use in photoshop
I am downloading files from my canon d60

Click to expand...

other than selecting the custom profile i use the driver setting
i'm using (for gloss and for pearl) is the "photo paper plus
glossy" setting, at the highest quality setting

ilford suggest the "high gloss photo film" setting for pearl, but
this is not selectable in all paper sizes in canon's osx driver

the paper is slow drying, so allow at least a couple of hours
before assessing colour by eye, the canon inks do not stabilise for
quite a long time, taking measurements i've found that it is best
to allow 2 days after printing profile targets before scanning them

if you are not using a custom profile for the paper then in
photoshop set the print profile to the same as the working space
profile (in effect this stops phooshop carrying out print colour
management)

then in the canon driver use their 'bj standard' colour setting,
avoid using the vivid colour settings or similar effects

if this gives good results then great, but if you find you get a
green/other colour cast then you'll need to either try manually
adjusting colour (tricky) or create a custom profile

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digitalNewbie said:

Many thanks for the info. I'll go ahead and order the classic.

The s820/win XP driver also places restrictions on what you can
print using the "high gloss photo film". It doesn't allow
borderless for example. I'll definitely try "photo paper plus
glossy".

Incidentally, has anyone tried the Ilford classic with the
'selectafont' ink. After reading peoples comments about their ink,
I'm rather taken with the idea of cheap ink refills.

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Yep, I use that combination all the time in my S9000 - now that my rough fading tests have eliminated the Galerie Smooth.

I use Joe Barnhart's profiles for the S9000 and found it best to tweak the saturation down a touch in the printer settings dialog box.

KRs
Chris

Yes. I have an S820. I use selectafont inks and Galerie Classic Pearl paper. It really knocks out some incredible results.

digitalNewbie said:

Incidentally, has anyone tried the Ilford classic with the
'selectafont' ink. After reading peoples comments about their ink,
I'm rather taken with the idea of cheap ink refills.

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